| IVOD_ID |
163980 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163980 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-09T10:37:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-09T10:51:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0913948005eacb623f38eaa6bf2c6e65119d4e8153da54ef9ebc85139e6d204f025346619b12521c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
莊瑞雄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:52 - 10:51:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請我們考試院劉秘書長還有考選部劉部長全序部我們司部長委員長 |
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民務長還有兩位部長我想我延續剛剛有委員提到的問題再來追問你像我們這一次的預算中心有提到這個是公務人員高資低用這個人數我看剛剛召委他也很關心 |
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但是呢這個預算中心這種寫法會產生很大的一個誤解啦有時候會造成說我領比較高的薪水然後去降調這好像有點偷懶這個我們在鄉下其實我們碰到很多很多人是因為啊我就沒有這個在職場上沒有這樣的一個職缺或者說我就很想回到我自己的故鄉有的人夫妻相隔兩地啊其實很重要的一個觀念 |
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這個反而去降調的人在我所碰到的一個服務案件的案例裡面常常都是對職場上是最負責任的人對制度負責我要到其他的地方去我只好降調 |
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這個對制度就是負責他也對他的家庭負責我要照顧我的父母親我要照顧我的家庭因素很多我反而會覺得說升官 升到最高的人 |
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官場未必就只有升官你專業能力被肯定當然是升官可是很多性盡之徒都升官他未必是有責任的而這是降調的人他是更有責任默默的貢獻出他的一個專業所以我反而會覺得說這個預算中心這種寫法這個只是一語之鑑那但是本身有個看法 |
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這預算中心點出這樣一個問題那是不是我們也應該去檢討目前降調制度它的一個考慮去設置一個制度說如何去當作植物的一個轉換 |
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或者說彈性配置的一個制度出來讓這個降調的人他變成說他又不失去他的專業還有對整個他職務上這樣的一個熱忱為這個職場來做出貢獻我不曉得三位的看法是怎麼樣謝謝委員對這個議題的關心特別來自南台灣我理解 |
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常常碰到啊所以我剛剛有回答說這個報告本身可能寫事實但是有很多複雜的原因啦所以對於降調的人本身很多降調會減錢耶會 會有的時候就沒有主管家級啦或者說沒有專業家級啦會 |
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每個個案不一樣我應該這樣講可能在不同地區去做降調或者你降調到學校或降調到行政機關這樣都是沒有人的選擇啦應該這樣講啦所以啦我的意思是說預算中心講也不是全部都不對那翁委員關心的也不是不對但只是說我們要怎麼樣來設計出一個制度讓說 |
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我就有這樣的一個專長可是呢我又沒有這樣的一個職缺我又必須要去降調這個就可惜了你有沒有覺得我們公務體系裡面應該有一個制度我們是有一個事求人人求事的公開找人的制度都會上網啦是就在 那是那個 |
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蘇俊榮任市長他們那個apply一個市求人人求事其實很多公務人員要找缺他都一定要公告他就去那邊看但重點是現在的結果就是導出預算中心給你點出有這麼多人去降調還是要想辦法解決啦好不好好我們會再繼續來是的好好地研議看看啦那我想啊要另外一個問題要請教就是說韓國現在一個國營的資料中心期會齁 |
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那結果呢這個造成19萬名公務人員的資料全數就遺失這顯示這其實就是說他這整個數位的基礎建設缺乏備援跟災難的復原的一個機制這場火裡面他不是只有燒掉伺服器燒出了制度上的漏洞我看他這次647個系統裡面說只有20倍的有災難備援的一個計畫這個其實不是只有韓國的問題 |
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這個是全世界政府的一個警訊所以我要請教我們考試院的說我們的資通的韌性 |
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我們考試院跟全序部還有考選部我們現在在推動全面的一個數位化這個方向我相信大家都知道很正確但是我們這個系統我們有沒有安全這也就是說我們這些國家級的一個系統裡面有沒有定期的一個災難的一個復原的一個演練那備援系統的復原 |
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它的覆蓋率到底會是多少 會不會像韓國那樣 要收了 一個收了之後要六七百個 還要存二十幾個 變成它覆蓋率就這麼的少那意思就是說 世界上韓國這樣 只有幾個系統有備援其他好像都裸奔一樣 請具體回答 |
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考選部是那個治安A級單位意思是我們必須每年接受是全國最高等級的那個檢視那基本上委員所說的大概是幾個原則1D存放 1D備援所以覆蓋率是百分之百我們基本上我們的關鍵核心資料一定必須做到1D存放跟1D備援 |
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異地就是一定要在不同的地方我在當律師的時候 我常常跟當事人大家想一想 有天不順的監獄裡面關那麼多人訴訟階段有那麼多人 那麼多犯罪的嫌疑人那有一天 不管是法務部或司法院資料中心全部被牽住了 資料都收掉了我看你裡面的犯人要怎麼樣要被告也要怎麼樣 全部大家都不在意 |
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我曾經去想過這樣的一個問題啦那所以其實就是一個備援的制度過去就資本嘛你現在都數位化嘛那所以部長你的想法是說現在全部我們的覆蓋率百分之百對 一定要至少關鍵核心之下一定要異地存放跟異地備援 |
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那這個做了就不錯了年度要演練所以沒有問題就對了那很好啊那我接下來要請教一個問題就是說我們現在談說電腦化的一個測試考選部你在115年度學習部部長請回 |
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一百一十五年度要擴大辦理新增的驗光師 驗光生還有第三次護理師還有司法官跟律師的第二次這個方向都對代表國家邁向一個數位的一個時代但是我要請問的就是說這些考區裡面我們有沒有去做過壓力測試或模擬演練如果發生技術故障有沒有明確應變的SOP來 請保長你回跟委員報告 有但是所以我們現在其實最 |
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最主要就是要處理私立二因為私立二是深論題那而且它是基本上是競爭性的考試所以你們全部都有私立二最重要要處理的那個它的演練過程要避免有電力異常所以我們會在私立二我們會有核心市場我們核心市場考試的時候會全部被發電機我都沒什麼要相信 |
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我可以請委員到時候來看我們現在建立國家電腦的市場裡面你現在金門也有啦那我看從台北考區 桃園 新竹 台中 台南 高雄屏東 花蓮金門也都有啦我要請教就是說金門可以離島嘛不要這樣奔波嘛台東為什麼沒有 |
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主要是他的學校他缺乏可以讓我們設置這個市場的學校所以我們的要求就是說你必須要在最好是在同一個資訊大樓有足夠的電腦我覺得這樣就不對了我覺得這樣就不對了考卷部我們也去補助了很多大學敢設置電腦市場 |
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台東也有台東大學這樣我覺得怎麼好像是你缺了台東這個就不太對你現在拿了200台電腦去嘛那個是要建置整個行動化電腦市場其實那規格老實說比一般的反而規格更高那當然我的意思就是說缺台東我就覺得不對 |
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因為他也有蘭嶼啊他也有列島啊也有這些離島的考生他必須要去應試啊那你這一次你說電腦市場裡面你給台東考區你給他兩百台電腦不是給他 是我們直接去那裡設一個行動你設了 你如果要停電呢你如果斷線呢筆電最不怕停電筆電是這樣 對我們每一個筆電會配兩到三個電源你如果斷線呢 |
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筆電當然他未必是要插電啦電腦有膠當然就可以啦但是問題我的意思是萬一斷線又一設備出問題那你怎麼辦我要說的就是說他畢竟跟國家電腦市場來做比較的話對考生權益來講的話他還是不夠周延啦 |
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跟委員報告我們的筆電的行動一定是完全按照我們現在的所有的這個規格但是如果說能夠有學校來提供固定位置當然更好所以如果說在這一點的話就是說有辦法能夠有學校來出現來合格的一個學校 |
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非常樂觀其成我們不要只說樂觀其成啦我是認為說這個講法都會覺得說好像讓台東去自生自滅啦你要到大學裡面如果有那個比較好的設備啊我考選部加我當然樂觀其成這樣怎麼好 |
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以國家電腦市場來講的話 針對全國各地的考生他權益站在考選部的立場 你要一併去跟他做保障你國家要輸的話 要輸的話 台東要看你喔 看你自己喔你自己如果更進步 台北的設備如果更好 考選部我在這裡 樂觀其成喔好 弄一個 我覺得這個態度不好 |
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每一個台北來電腦 他們到設備的時候你們就會去補助他設置這個國家電腦市場啊所以站台上 我會覺得偏鄉的地方用這種臨時的方案這樣子硬撐對整個公職或者說專業認證的一些考試對這些考生來講的話 |
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更不好的就是說你國家電腦的一個市場這個是指個數位國家的一個基本建設我認為那是一個投資建設的話 我們在那邊講啊要智能政府啊智能政府阿嘎吉全台灣大家都智能電 都政府台東不用變智能的一個政府要智能的政府我看我們就從智慧考試開始 好不好 |
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我簡單補充一下第一個就是說我們對電腦市場的設置 |
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考試院的資源很有限他可以投資基本的設備但是他還需要學校本身有足夠的電腦教室那現在在台東用行動的這個方式來處理其實也是彌補這個當地資源的不足這是考選部的努力那委員希望能夠有一個穩定的比如說在那邊設置一個就是固定的這個電腦市場的話那看怎麼樣有爭取到更多的資源我們一起來努力 |
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秘書長 我的概念不只這樣不只是說那個地方的設備把它弄好是我們政府的政策你要推數位化的話偏鄉你就不能把它給漏掉你要智能政府 你要數位化你說靠一腳 缺了一腳 |
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這樣不好啦對制度的一個投資這不是浪費啦更何況這是政府在對我們一直在談數位的一個轉型結果你讓偏鄉的考生沒有辦法站在同一條起跑線上我認為這個政府要趕快去做一個改善好不好把他當成重要的事情啦給他欠一件啦那錢不會花多少啦秘書長 保證你來想一個辦法你不可以 那我告訴你 |
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這附近兩個灶圍 都夠閃亮的 都停泥了我跟王朝的都停泥 台東緊衝一下 好不好可以嗎這個我們再去跟您報告和緊衝衝 數位政府偏鄉的地方沒有跟上 這個就是假的那是國家對制度的一個投資我們把這個整個數位政府高唱露營結果說 那個地方 台東人跟你講說你唬爛 我這邊又沒有 不好 好不好好 謝謝 |
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謝謝莊委員我也非常支持莊委員的建議 |