| IVOD_ID |
163976 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163976 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-09T10:12:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-09T10:25:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0913948005eacb625fb83ae893bb1ad2119d4e8153da54ef9ebc85139e6d204f3bca61c2a45653685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:12:29 - 10:25:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好 接下來請王宏威委員質詢好 謝謝主席我請那個全旭部長好 請施部長部長早部長早 |
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在你們的報告裡面有針對我們目前以及針對我們的公務人員的一些修法還有改進也感謝包含考試院的願意配合至少我個人在上個會期我大概主要是兩個一個就是我們公務人員考積法 |
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對 就是把霸凌 還有酒駕 性騷等等把它列入我們公務人員考機法那有這個法源最嚴重的我們可以計兩大過於免職那麼可以建構一個更優良的更好的一個公務人員的一個就業環境 |
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另外一个就是有关于放宽商调权的问题我们在这边也谢谢我们全序部有从善如流我觉得这速度也算是快从我们关心到最后的改进所以在这一点就是说你们在之前的你们的报告里面的一些相关的内容我想就是予以感谢以及肯定 |
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謝謝委員的支持另外就是要跟部長考試院這邊來討論的像現在我們的財政委員會正在召開聯席會議就是針對特別預算在做審查 |
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那在這一次呢這個我們的特別條例裡面呢有撥補勞保基金撥補100億那麼在明年度的預算裡面勞保基金的撥補呢也把它提高到就是跟那個114年一樣把它變成1200億也就是說這幾年鑑於勞保基金的這個它的潛在性的負債那麼政府呢 |
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都撥補一定的金額到勞保基金裡面好那可是另外一部分除了勞保基金之外同樣的我們退府基金在你們報告裡面也有特別提到我們也有潛藏性的一個債務也有高達就是未來呢就是要提撥的就是也有高達將近三兆之多所以 |
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對我們現職的公教人員來說他們也希望退府基金的財務能夠健全這個對他們未來 因為他們很害怕等到有一天他退休的時候我們退府基金會不會因為財務的問題讓他們影響他們的權益所以在這段時間裡面譬如說我們的教師公會教師團體 全教總 |
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就一直在爭取要讓我們的公教的退伏基金能夠讓政府能夠根據這個精算能夠加速的去做撥補 |
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可是到目前為止以今年度來講我們政府編列還是194億他是以30年但是呢我們很多的公教人員或者是團體還是希望能夠依照這個精算的10年精算的撥補來撥補退府基金那我想請問一下明年度我們的預算是多少 |
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公教加起來我們是根據10我們都是用10年撥補的一個方式去提出概算然後明年應該如果是明年應該是200公務人員282公務人員提出282那因為教育人員是歸教育部編列的所以你公務人員是你公務人員是282 |
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不是公教退輔基金耶就是我們的公務人員退輔基金我們編的概算數是282億那教育人員是198億那行政院呢因為這是我們編的編列數但行政院並沒有合這麼多 |
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我就問你預算數法定預算數不是法定預算 行政院的預算編列數是126公務人員 教育人員是92所以加起來是218218比今年194億多一點點 |
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多的不多嘛 其實基本上他還是以20年嘛你剛講以10年我剛還想說我幫他們高興一下因為他們在爭取就是希望以10年來撥補嘛可是每次我們政府都是以20年來撥補所以我剛講說預算數是多少 |
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所以你218億仍然其實是依照20年所以這個部分就是相關就是說勞保基金我們加速撥補讓他的財務能夠更健全一點當然勞保基金他的那個前端性的債務負債也很可觀 |
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所以在這個部分是不是我要特別講的就是現在的公教人員希望也能夠加速撥補公教的退府基金所以這一個部分 |
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可是就是說這個都是如果是依賴公務預算公務預算最後就排起來排擠去嘛而且說實在尤其我們當我們的國防支出要佔這個GDP比例年年要提高的時候他當然一定相對排擠其他的預算 |
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所以我也想請問那時候你們來拜訪我的時候呢也特別提到就是說我們退府基金因為它是一個長期的它也必須要穩定嘛公務人員 公教人員中是我們國家的資產嘛 |
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那所以你們會不會有考慮讓他有一個穩定的財源來做撥補否則每一年像蔡市長喊價一樣啦是不是都這樣子嗎都像市長這樣我那個公教人員希望你們多補一些多編一些預算可是那政府可能每一次還是說其實我很希望 |
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多撥補啦 最後仍然不能如願所以可不可能從長期來看又有一個找一個長期的穩定的來源 |
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委員報告其實我們這個國家碰到這個所有的長期的一個基金不是只有退伏基金老保也是一樣的一個概念那如果說整個社會有共識說我們去弄一個什麼樣長期穩定的來源來同時讓這兩個基金可以永續我想任何作為基金的主管機關來講應該是都樂見其成但是我覺得這不會是只有退伏基金的問題因為我們還有一個 |
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所以你也知道如果只是針對退府基金的話那勞保基金那廣大的勞工朋友說那為什麼只有長期來源只撥補給退府基金呢對不對我勞保基金我也要你的意思是這樣嗎 |
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我們現在的所謂潛藏負債其實是勞保是比公保還比退補金還大我只是在講是說這是一個很長遠的議題所以如果社會有共識同時有一個如果真的要找到一個比較是穩定的裁員那我覺得同時考慮這個事情一定不是壞事情 |
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那另外我請教一下在你們的報告裡面有特別提到到目前為止就是整個的收益率整個的收益率已經是超過6000多億是6600多億那請問一下這6000多億裡面不包括年改年金改革裡面 |
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就是 挹注回來 這個退伏基金的錢應該大概2000億嘛 |
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包括我們就是預注回來的錢一起去投資嘛那我們現在大概已經預注了2500多億了2500多億所以我的意思說你說到今年8月底退幅基金累計收益是6681億嘛然後這6681億包不包括那2500億這個應該是指來了以後一起去投資的我們來了一個在大水庫裡面去投資這樣一個累計的一個收益啦 |
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所以包括嗎 包括那2500億他已經進來這個 我們基金裡面了所以就是運用規模 因為運用規模像一兆嘛所以那2500億是在那一兆裡面嗎對 包括在裡面好 那我請問一下 到8月底為止你們的收益率是4.53%4.53% 請問部長你滿意這個收益率嗎 |
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我想這是非常高度專業的啦那這個我們一直在強調基金要看長期的一個投資就像我們最近五年大概有九點多平均九點多的一個收益率那今年因為有一些狀況會稍微上上下下那具體的事情這是由我們管理局是不是我請局長來做說明好 請局長請問一下這四點五聲你們滿意嗎 |
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報告委員這是從基金成立以來的平均的收益率那在近10年跟5年跟3年的收益率不是啦 我就跟你講今年的嘛4.53是今年的嘛對 到今年8月還有4.53你當局長到現在為止基本的數字你要掌握啊因為大家就認為你這4.53當然是受利於在今年的股市還不錯嘛 |
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是因為今年的股市還不錯我知道你們委外的收益率還不錯可是你們自己啊自行操作的其實今天還發生虧損我也不知道我這到時候還要了解我不曉得為什麼還會發生虧損你們主要是委外的部分因為今年大盤到現在為止九月份你們應該還是收益更好一點九月份因為那個股市漲得更多嘛所以你們當然是跟著股市這個股市漲你們當然就是那個收益比較好一點 |
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但是外界還是會認為你們跟大盤的表現還是差太多了你們跟大盤的表現還是差太多所以我特別要講就是說因為我們退府基金其實老保基金也是如此長期以來都會為外界詬病就是為什麼我們的整體的收益率其實是偏低的 |
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當然你們每次來比較都是你們跟台銀 台銀的長期存款我們比台銀的長期存款多這個不要比了啦 這個就不要比不然你就直接去存台銀就好了 幹嘛操作什麼呢有什麼好操作 還要去花這些手續費所以在怎麼樣去精進你們的投資收益非常重要 |
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那另外從今年開始你們也開始開放讓大家用自己的專戶去做投資嘛因為你們這邊的資料不夠清楚那我可能到時候也會了解一下怎麼讓我們公務人員公教人員在他的整個退休金的這個大水池裡 |
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裡面 讓他財務是健全的然後他的收益是穩健的不只穩健 而且這個收益也要一定要達到一定的水準你們退伏基金 績效越好公教人員越安心嘛 是不是這樣所以局長要掌握這個數字啊我怎麼問一問 4.5 明明是今年度的啊你一直在跟我講什麼全部平均的 好不好好 加油啦 謝謝 |