| IVOD_ID |
163957 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163957 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,35,19,22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[5] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T14:10:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T14:23:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0113d92b7b6ad88a32b1f00580874b155441e0052ed6558bb5d0c75dcc8d4630c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:10:47 - 14:23:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案（114年度至116年度）」【詢答及處理，預算提案於10月8日上午10時截止收件】【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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請張祺凱委員發言 |
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謝謝 請經濟部部長好 請經濟部工部長這位好 |
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國務長我剛在中華掛回來中華現在在辦這個2025年的台灣設計展設計展辦得不錯這是你們跟他們合辦嘛這算年度大事以前都在六都第四道的這個造化線那它是歷史有史以來最多的最大的它有三個展區位於中華到六港還有張嵐的店中叫餐位有19個展館我今天早上去了我看他們很努力在做市長 何市長代表你去了啦 |
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對 因為我在立法院 沒有辦法我還找時間看看立法院如果有空的話彰化的引擎冠軍很多他也是從小企業這個言香對台灣的這個貢獻是非常大的可是這段時間他受到很大的一個衝擊特別是高關稅的這個衝擊那王惠美王縣長跟整個團隊非常認真我希望你這段時間 |
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要多去幫忙 把台灣市長辦得更好上次已經有去過一次我跟院長也去過 我自己也再去過了這段時間要多幫忙 讓彰化可以發光讓全台灣 全世界可以看得到接下來我要問高關稅的衝擊美國商業部長明確的說晶片要555分 |
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那鄭麗卿 鄭副院長已經講了不只沒有討論也絕對不接受嘛 對不對所以你們都貫徹絕對不接受 對不對副院長代表的就是我們台灣的態度那如果接受了或者實際做的嘴巴講的後來沒有達成實際做的變成真的五五分那就是賣台囉我給大家看一下美國的商業部長講的就是說 |
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在川普的任期結束以前要將美國的晶片的自治力提升至少要變成40%目前美國只有2%喔台灣佔95%他明確的講到川普剩下三年多任內就要達到40%這代表什麼我們護國神山就變成半屏山了捏要半一半過對不對 |
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而且裡面沒半啦就是台灣的部分還會持續增加啦現在台積電已經承諾1650億嘛那其中的他有6個廠恐怕到2028年大概可以量產了應該按照程序正常的程序應該適合3個廠 |
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我給你一個非常明確的數據為2019年到2025年台積電在全球所有廠包括台灣、美國、日本、德國的投資 |
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2019年是149億2020年是172億到了2021年第一次突破到300億最高最高的就是2020年了投資多少錢362億後來又降下來300億就算一年如果投資全球所有的廠包到台灣差不多38億那我現在跟你講我剛剛為什麼提醒你美國商業部長講這個話很重要 |
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他在未來的三年多要把美國的自製力 晶片自製力要提高到40%這樣表示一年台積電去美國投資要250億你說1650嘛 對不對1650的1000億是未來的四年要投資一年就是250億那我剛剛跟你講最近這幾年投資多少錢包括台灣全球是300億當然會排擠啊這個就是現在你要去注意的地方 |
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不是嘴巴講的一套 做的是一套如果只剩下五十億像最近這幾天 我是教他人教他人說我們的那個封測廠會不會受到影響台中市議會整個都鬧翻了在質疑說他們的一期跟二期馬上到年底要開工會不會受影響台積電都說正常包括台中科的過場 |
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保定還有嘉義也會持續進行計畫不變嘛時間會不會有影響嘛保定我剛才說是非常理性物質科學的因為嘉義的部分主要是因為工程上他不是說政策上改變 |
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對啦 所以部長你一定要讓台中嘉義的整個台積電的投資跟工程要如期那我現在跟你講更重要的明明這個錢就排擠了我算給你聽了一年台積電投資300億美國如果每一年都拿走250億當然就影響台灣投資這是第一 第二我現在給你比較給你看 你看喔 |
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他講說美國這三個部長說他的投資金額要超過五千億的美金要從封測到整個封裝都要完整下面這句話最重要的要把整個產業鏈啊帶回美國才能達成他說要讓台灣參與要讓台灣參與而且整個產業鏈都要執行那這個跟前幾天鄭麗菁講的台灣模式不是一樣嗎你嘴巴說我絕對不同意五五分 |
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結果你的台灣模式擴大對美投資做的是什麼政府跟企業分工然後政府還要去提供金融信訪的機制我也提供一些數據給你聽就是說如果到2028年到台積電在美國建了這個廠大概第三個廠可以開始量產這三個廠出來的話每月的量產是大概5.3萬片 |
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現在我們5奈米以下在台灣現在越產能就是25萬片但是我們現在到2028年我們還會增建所以這個不可能是1比1問題來了嘛那問題來了嘛美國的商業部長怎麼可以講說他要五五分呢 |
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在未來三年他要五五分然後更重要的我們的對美談判的代表我們的勝利金副院長提一個台灣模式我們又要去增加用一個產業部落把整個我們某些半導體的整個產業搬到美國去這樣不就是嘴巴講的跟實際做的不一樣嗎來 看一看喔你去對比對比勝利金的台灣模式到美國的商業部長要達成的五五分 |
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不能說很像啊只能說一模一樣啊因為你嘴巴講的不同意可是你實際做出來的我剛剛提供的你的晶片的產業就會外移到美國去嘛我剛剛提供給那個委員是實際的數字就是按照台積電的實際上到二零二八年他三個廠蓋完大概五萬多片越產人那我們現在已經二十五萬現在美國商業部長跟你講也是你們他說這個信息在電視上專訪他很清楚講已經跟我們代表團已經傳達回來了嘛 |
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那他要你投資這麼多錢 我跟你算過啦你的錢就是給美國一點兩百五十億你就排擠到台灣的投資嘛 這第一點嘛第二點他要達到五五分未來三年多你現在又把你的產業晶片的產業部落到美國去 |
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那你不是影響到台灣的辦法所以人家才講說你的護國神山戲頓是不是變成半屏山了嘛實際上就是不可能嘛我剛才提到的2028年5萬多片我們現在已經25萬片所以現在才我們現在的五分之一而已啊所以那個美國的商業部長是亂講是不是這個我沒有辦法評論我沒有辦法評論他在電視上專訪直接清楚講說已經跟我們代表團明確的表達了結果我們這邊還講說沒有討論 |
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你是說他胡說八道嗎我們的賴清德總統昨天還特別講什麼要協助美國成為AI的世界中心要讓美國再次偉大台灣的總統最重要是台灣偉大吧 |
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美國再次偉大然後把我們的經費五五分嗎立足台灣佈局全球這本來就是政策的方向台灣半導體先做得非常好才有辦法美國才有辦法藉我們的半導體而發展現在就是你們不要只有喊口號你從實際我剛剛跟你講的不管是資金投入美國一年250億不管是 |
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鄭麗晶提出來的台灣模式你就是我們晶片的從上中下游整個晶片肌肉的移轉到美國去嘛對不對你這個裡面牽扯到多少資金要出去多少的產業要出去多少工作機會要出去你們都有責任跟民眾講清楚耶你們到目前都沒講耶 |
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不是只有台積電喔是整個晶片的產業喔部長你是很有名的財經專家不是只有台積電富國神山變半屏山整個晶片的產業 |
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IG設計上面有聯發科 瑞玉聯融 封裝測試日月光矽屏 晶圓電池 設備跟材料商台達電 秦創 南亞你們所謂的台灣模式要過去 上中下游 |
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这些厂商做全球布局在那边可以因此力量延伸赚钱这个当然也是好事台湾它会持续扩敞持续最先进的技术都在台湾资金是有限的 |
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拿去美國當然台灣受影響啊你的人才會外流啊你的工作機會會過去啊去那邊是借力使力借他們的這些科技人才也好或是土地水電嘛這是借力使力嘛來保定我們有非常距離所以台灣有多少的上中下游的晶片產業多少資金會出去哪幾家會去影響多少工作機會部長再用詳細書面回答好不好時間有限要直接回答問題 |
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那個已經站起來一段時間了這樣好不好我剛問的問題第一個不要只有嘴巴講我現在跟你講的都非常實際的台灣模式鄭麗菁清楚講我們晶片的晶片整個部聚落是要過去的你給我四個很具體的多少資金要出去要到美國去第二個資金對不對哪幾家是會去的 |
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第三個更重要 影響多少的工作機會我們沒有辦法幫企業宣布事情我們可以講說是企業對外公開部長 部長 部長鄭麗菁講的是說你們採取分工政府有產業過去你們要開始要去做調查嘛 對不對 |
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所以我剛講一分鐘嘛所以我剛要了四個指標這是鄭麗晶講的嘛你一個禮拜內給我好不好有多少資金出去你不是說產業出去然後你們負責去審核嗎我們不能幫企業宣布他的規劃除非他自行對外宣布那你把你鄭麗晶今天的規劃給我好不好謝謝張旗開委員 |
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接下來請陳永康委員陳永康委員陳永康委員不在 |