| IVOD_ID |
163892 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163892 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:58:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T11:14:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff03a1caf8526510028b1cbd8f3401de56a656cd2b685a6ecb83b03e28eaf265d4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:02 - 11:14:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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在羅委員詢答完畢之後我們就休息五分鐘接著請羅委員進行詢答主席有請部長請部長委員早部長好 |
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你知道苗栗中秋連假發生了隨機殺人事件這個你知道嗎這個媒體有廣大報導那這個嫌犯已經被申請羈押獲准了他刺傷兩名女童跟一位見義勇為的正義哥號 林姓男子那剛開始林姓男子跟女童有一位女童那一度命危送到家戶病房 |
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但是關鍵是什麼關鍵是這位秋信男子他其實在十年前的同一地點砍殺了四個人砍殺了四個人我想請教一下 |
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林楠的女兒曾經針對這個事件向政府公開呼籲司法改革請問部長你有看到這位正義哥林姓楠子的女兒的呼籲嗎有掌握了解嗎 |
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我想這個對這個曾毅哥的這個建立勇為深受衷傷我們是覺得我們祝他早日康復對這些的議局我們非常的一個欽佩那我想司法的改革是永不止盡的我這樣講啦我覺得部長你應該是沒看到因為你跟我一貫看到部長一樣你就是開始天空盤旋盤旋轉轉轉 |
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林楠的女兒說她從來沒有想過新聞裡的隨機殺人事件會發生在自己家人身上她希望可以真正的落實實行因為像這種人吸毒二犯已經沒有教化可能放出來會再次對無辜的民眾安全造成威脅她要請政府跟執政黨正視並改善治安問題隨機砍人的事件頻傳這就是司法制度不健全跟社會安全網破裂所造成的後果 |
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這一次是我爸爸 下一次又會是誰他認為 兇手在十年前第一次犯案如果就能夠重刑相待的話 今天悲劇就不會發生了他的父親也不會受到這麼嚴重的傷害他也講到 他的父親前胸後背各中一刀傷及內臟及橫膈膜 到現在還呼吸困難 |
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這樣的痛苦 兇手永遠無法理解而身為家人又只能承受這種傷害跟陰影所以我要想請教部長你聽完這位鄭義哥女兒的陳述你有沒有什麼想法想跟她說 跟社會大眾說這個凶險的確是非常的 |
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可惡他在隨即殺人而且光天化日之下那我想這個我們聽素材研辦這個已經受壓症辦了那我們對這個行為我們也是不能饒恕所以我們很有關心的像這種的我們修法在法治上我們也把這故意殺人或者殺人未遂能夠處十年以上有期徒刑的這些我們又判刑我們是 |
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是在修法是不給他假釋的一個機會所以我們想讓這些在法治上能夠對這些行為謝謝部長我們國民黨立法院黨團也提出某些死刑就是某些那個無期徒刑的狀況非常嚴重的基本上是不得假釋所以這是我們的立場但我要跟部長說今天真的很多的一些受害者 |
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有些受害者抱歉他沒辦法講話了為什麼為什麼有些受害者沒辦法講話了為什麼這個我想委員問到一個很核心的問題因為如果被害人因為生命是不可恢復出損害所以受害者他如果說喪失了生命我想這個我們一定在法律上我們絕對是我跟部長說這位秋男他已經不是第一次 |
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10年前他跟鄰居吵架找不到鄰居拿剪刀就到超商攻擊路人跟警察他自己都承認啊他說他殺紅眼要把氣出掉那最後呢依殺人未遂罪判8年8個月定宴服安刑依然是治安的炸彈可是我要跟部長講一個更嚴重的事情我看了真的到現在我都覺得無法接受無法理解我想請教部長 |
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詐欺集團關61個人嚴不嚴重嚴不嚴重這個當然是很可惡這應該是破天荒了吧我相信部長我們台灣的治安史上有被關過61個人嗎有嗎有被囚禁61個人嗎有這個歷史記錄過嗎沒有吧詐欺集團沒有空前嘛對不對令人髮指多髮指來 |
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2022年的台版柬埔寨事件祖賢、蘭道、杜南等人在桃園淡水關61個人除了收身搶劫財務嘴巴上掃毛巾、上手銬綁束帶關進三坪大的小房間 |
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讀打電擊未讀一人跳樓輕生一人休克死亡一人未讀自死通通被棄屍荒野騙取將近4億元的不法所得好來囉高等法院最後判處祖賢杜南等人無期徒刑我真的我覺得我今天是這些受害人我想請問部長 |
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如果嚴重到關61個人虐殺3個人都只是無期徒刑我真不知道台灣怎麼還會有死刑呢還有死刑的存在嗎來囉 更重要的是什麼警方最近才發現今年8月今年8月才突然發現你知道死的不止3個人吧當年那個案子死不止3個人吧部長知道嗎 |
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這個事情我覺得部長你一定要知道因為真的太嚴重了你都剛剛講是死上空前的台灣真的沒有發生過關這麼多人然後直接在裡面虐殺的事情你知道死了不只三個人嗎部長你知道還有哪些往生者嗎部長知道嗎你不知道嘛你不知道嘛 我告訴你台中警方破貨炸團 |
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結果裡面有一個犯案小弟叫志白他說當年的台版柬埔災案死的不止三個還有第四個有一個38歲的零性男子第一天進去就被打死了一進去就被打死到現在我要告訴大家請問部長冰山一角你看三年前的案子只查出三個 |
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受害的死者現在結果三年後發現原來不止三個人那我想請問你到底多少人到底關了多少人到底殺了多少人真的知道嗎真的知道嗎根本不知道今天我在這邊為什麼要講這些事情我剛才一而再再而三的講為什麼 |
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我們現在大法官實質廢死判決已經生效了沒有啦 現在還是有判死刑的案件有告訴你 來 部長你到現在都不敢跟我講一句話來來來 我告訴你什麼叫實質判死什麼叫實質廢死實質廢死 請問你除了賴清德今天要平息民怨執行的一個死刑犯現在多少死刑犯還沒執行請問你啊 你告訴我啊已經兩年過了36 |
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还有36个非常谢谢你你这么云淡风轻这么自信满满还有36个什么时候执行这部分这部分又要看什么形式诉讼程序在省非常上述看很多我知道 |
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幫你回答了嘛 我回答錯了嗎這個一定要照法律的規定來做都非常好啊 我當然知道你我太了解你了 你回答就是這些然後你還在幫大法官洗地我告訴你 來我跟你講沒關係 我告訴你你跟我已經講很多遍了 |
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大法官今天至少對死刑判處設下很嚴格的門檻你不否認吧但是目前實務上還是有沒有設下如果說這個當然是來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來 |
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既然這樣哪有實質的廢死我問你嘛你是不是跟我講地方法院還是有判死刑案件所以沒有實質廢死嘛你亂講就這個嘛簡單嘛所以實務上的實例上不是告訴這才是來我跟你講沒關係你要拗我隨便你拗我沒有拗啊這是法院的判決來來來我數字答點你我用數字答點你請問過世20年平均有多少殺人犯多少每年平均 |
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我這目前沒有資料部長 你當然不知道 因為你不關心啦我不是不關心平均每年150位我告訴你 我幫你解答來 請問平均判死比例大概是多少判死刑大概是多少比例2%啦 |
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650.44 |
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還有越來越低的情形來 2000年到2015年民進黨執政之前你知道平均每年平均有多少人三省判死三省判死來請問多少人每年平均多少人三省判死你還是不知道第三個不知道3.25位三省判死來請問民進黨執政之後2016年到現在平均每年多少 |
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680.2 |
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三審判死多少多少你還是不知道0.33位請問每年三審判死的人數減少多少我幫你回答你還是不知道減少九成來這就是民進黨送給台灣司法改革的成果啦我直接跟你預告我跟你預告這還不會是最低的大法官實質廢死的判決出來之後設下八道所謂的 |
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這個判決死刑的高門檻0.33不會是最低啦還會更低啦你跟我講地方法院判有什麼用啊上去上去上去就不見了啦就算判到最後你也不執行死刑也一樣不見啦委員那個我想我告訴你立法執行那我想是既定的但是程序同時要走程序部長我告訴你不要再拿程序當藉口你是法務部長 |
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刑事司法政策有你的職責有你的職責我講的不是個案啦我是依法執行我講的不是個案啦你講依法執行叫個案所以那個法官那個我講的是司法今天你有司法立法的所謂的司法的一個法治責任法務部長不要跟我講你沒有這個責任喔對啊我講的對啊所以你不會反駁啊但我要跟你講今天我回頭要講部長我對你今天態度非常的不滿意 |
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你今天如果心裡有一點點柔軟性 你去看看台版柬埔寨案的那些被害者 往生者你會願意為他們站出來講話 跟羅志強一樣沉冤埋血 已經不能說話了這個委員你說人命的損失的確是無可恢復的 |
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最大的一個損害我想我們就站在一個為人伸冤的為死者說話的一個角度我想這個我們檢察官也就在一陣我告訴你我告訴你那些口頭的這些悲憫是沒有辦法讓人起死回生的 |
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你這些所謂口頭的悲憫你還在幫大法官洗地的這種我絕對沒有幫大法官洗地沒關係你不認同是你的事情我告訴你剛剛回答就要幫大法官洗地我講的每一個數字是錯的嗎你回去 又試試答連我啊我跟你講 我告訴你我今天這件事就和上去 就這麼簡單因為我沒有辦法接受我沒有辦法接受我剛剛還是在最後一個結論告訴你 |
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大法官實質廢死的判決什麼叫實質廢死就是加高判處死刑的門檻就叫實質廢死他讓今天的死刑判決越來越困難降低了九成不說他的判決憲法判決出來之後死刑的判決只會更少不會更多更重要的是什麼 |
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你今天令人髮指到已經是慘絕人寰死上所無的台版柬埔案虐殺4個人虐殺4個人關61個人不罰所得4億元都不能判死有啦都有判 |
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那個高雄高峰院二審也有良性的行為來來來 你等他等你 你等你執行你告訴我你等你執行死刑完你再跟我講這些我告訴你部長 部長 二審啊我剛剛講的是三審的數據 你還跟我講二審你跟我講地方法院這不是詭辯 什麼是詭辯這不是洗地 什麼是洗地 |
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你認住了嘛你 都傻了三秒鐘我剛剛問題是三審 你跟我講一審二審你的幕僚不盡責啦 |
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第一個二審三審的給你啦這個判不判死 我們要尊重法院的判決來了來了喔 厲害了啦被我抓包開始 惱羞成怒啊我沒有惱羞成怒被我抓包惱羞成怒 拿資料想要糊弄大家我執行講究三審我執行講究三審你拿一審二審跟我講什麼最後還是一句話啦部長我不是衝著你個人來啦 |
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你真的不需要幫大法官洗地真的不需要今天以法務部長身份告訴大家說你也不能認同大法官這種決定因為他今天就侵犯了受害者伸冤的權利死者不能講話我羅志強幫他講話家屬今天正義不得伸張我今天幫家屬伸張正義 |
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我一路走來就始終如一我也這件事會繼續盯下去就這麼簡單結果我跟你講你們偉大的民進黨政府跟官員們連我們立法院提出來的反廢死公投都要沒收跟你沒關係跟你沒關係來 跟你沒關係我講的不是你 我講的是中選會你不用緊張我現在要罵的是中選會中選會不在 我不要罵你 |
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今天我就問你部長 你也是法律守門人公投法哪一條規定今天中選會可以不辦立法院通過的公投舉一個條文給我聽聽看這個我沒辦法幫中選會來回答這個問題你賴清德愛將你怎麼會去打同僚呢我知道啊 懂啊 了解明白啊法務部長就是法律守門人 |
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你跟我講你不知道那你當什麼法務部長法律條文清清楚楚明明白你是法律的你不會不知道你只不敢講謝謝你好 謝謝羅委員 |