| IVOD_ID |
163878 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163878 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:27:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T10:36:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff019a08dd5e6e1152a0a8af512ffeae19c522ce05ac16c0400f0e74eb070a3a03c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:32 - 10:36:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝郭主委美惠召委我們現在請中委會李主委主委您身體還好嗎還好您快退休了吧動了一個小手術所以看起來你行動好像今天有點不太像以前快退休了吧快到任了沒有退休金是借期借期 |
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雖然您已經快屆期離開這個職位但是我覺得做一天和尚敲一天鐘該做的事情該負的責任還是得要完整的把它結束好嗎謝謝委員並且交接今天有幾個問題想要問您就是這次的大罷免案最終雖然是以失敗收場但是代價卻是我們全國的納稅的人民共同承擔的 |
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你在9月2號的時候你也說一案的罷免的經費是1700萬到1800萬因為年度預算不夠所以必須要動用第二預備金所以總共這一次的罷免案是4億281.5萬元 |
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而在人力方面呢 我們也動員了將近27萬的人力那麼我要再請教主委 到現在為止這種勞民又傷財的這個大罷免制度你覺得是值得鼓勵 值得推廣的嗎 |
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這個牽涉到我先要講的是無差別的大罷免這牽涉到這個政治上的判斷我們選務機關是不宜來發表評論我們要的我們做的就是如果是合法的程序進來的話那我們就依照法律的規定來順利的把選務很好所以當然現在呢 |
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我們也已經修法了修得非常完善了比較完善一點但是我還記得當時我做召委的時候在這邊修這個法的時候非常的遺憾民進黨的朋友們在這邊霸佔了主席台癱瘓了 |
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好久的議事規程但是最後終究我們在立法院還是刪讀通過了把這個選罷法給他比較完善的修法了那當時我們也看到民進黨的立法院的黨團吳思堯幹事長還沒修法之前他說選舉跟罷免都是憲法所保障的民主制度也是人民的基本權利 |
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任何政黨還有從政者都應該尊重然後蘇巧惠委員她也說她說這樣的行動呢深化了台灣的公民運動跟民主素養雖然我們現在回過頭來看根本少有所謂的公民運動所謂的公民者其實也就是政黨發動的大家也得看得非常的清楚 |
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那么我还想要再进一步的请问您您是否也认同吴思耀干事长跟苏巧慧委员说的只要他形式上符合了人民直接投票的参政权就是对民族有益对人民有好处的参与方式您认为怎么样 您认同吗 |
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只要是按照法律的規定所提出的不管是選舉罷免或者是公民投票我們都依法必須要受理這也是我們最重要的核心願望謝謝您非常這樣子制式的回答 |
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那我雖然尊重您的看法也尊重吳思瑤委員跟蘇巧慧委員的看法但是呢我也必須要說按照你們的說法所謂形式上它符合人民直接投票的參政權 |
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就必然就是對民族有益 那麼我就請大家不要雙標為什麼 因為當時我在修選辦法70條 71條 73條的時候我主張原住民的立委只要是出缺 他就必須要跟區域的立委是一樣的一旦出缺了 他就必須要補選 |
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而當時我們的內政部他有展現善意他明確的回應我說原住民的立法委員跟區域的立委同屬立法委員但出缺的時候就必須要按照 |
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規定來相同內政不是同意的那麼中選會當時您告訴我說原住民的立法委員補選的時候這形同辦理全國性的選舉它需要花費大量的人力跟物力的等等的資源明白的講當時主委您的意思就是說當原住民的立委出缺的時候我們的族人要透過補選要選出適合的人選的時候 |
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您說太花錢不值得辦但是當民進黨他要推動耗資上億元的罷免案的時候你卻說你這個尊重立法院然後你也說這是深化民主值得鼓勵主委你不覺得這就是雙重標準嗎我更坦白的說這是歧視我們原住民參政權還是說當民進黨他要 |
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政治追殺的時候什麼都可以但是當原住民要求跟非原住民一樣的平等權利的時候民進黨的朋友們你們卻習慣選擇視而不見尤其是現在執政是民進黨 |
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在這裡我要嚴正的告訴也提醒族委民進黨對於我們族人的選舉權的歧視不是一天兩天的事因為這件事情我提了很久你們執政大概已經快九年了而這件事情呢我看在眼裡 痛在心裡面 |
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大罷免花了這麼多錢原住民的補選沒有錢也沒有人力所以我認為這不是制度的問題這是政治的選擇問題您可不可以回答 |
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我已經把我內心的話說出來了另外我好不容易爭取到的優化原住民的選舉人領票作業事辦計畫的報告我其實就是為了要一次性解決長期存在我們族人選票誤發這個主委您很清楚我在這邊質詢了很多次族人選票誤發少發或者是沒有發的問題請問一下主委 |
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這項事辦計畫目前的執行進度到哪裡了您11月已經要離開你的位置了你必須清楚交代一下 |
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在我離開這個位置之前我們已經兩次一次在6月一次在9月兩次的要求各地選委會必須要針對這個專案要先進行一些準備的工作可是主委您知道嗎我看到的是114年的12月底你們才會跟地方召開會議 |
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然後這個會議裡面其實我們看不到細部的規劃也不知道你們要怎麼樣執行你們要如何來幫助族人來解決這個問題有一些前置的工作還是必須要先定案第一個就是投票的日期第二個就是投票所然後這兩個事情決定了我們還要去統計在我們事辦的區域裡面到底有多少的原住民的選民 |
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诸如此类的这个规划的工作都会在年初明年的年初我们选务的协调会的时候都会具体的来定定所以这件事情你会非常负责任的交代下去然后接任你的人必须要完成这项工作我已经交代过两次了 |
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已經交代過兩次所以我在這邊也公正的要求我們的中選會你們必須在一個月之內給我提出素面報告有兩項第一個請盡速提出原住民立委補選經費的精算跟通盤檢討的報告我們必須要讓社會清楚了解原住民的立法委員出區的時候補選我們到底會動用多少的財力還有多少的人力好嗎第二個 |
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必須要優化原住民選舉人領票作業事辦計畫這個計畫不僅僅適用在地方公職選舉更應該要全面擴大到中央層級的民代選舉我們必須要用制度化的方式來保障我們族人的選舉權跟平等的參政權 |
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551.982 |
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這個領票優化徹底的方式就是說原住民的這個選舉人名稱是另外造成沒關係你一年內之內必須要正式的提書面報告給我可以嗎好沒問題好謝謝主委請保重身體 |