| IVOD_ID |
163874 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163874 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T09:46:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T09:58:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff08b5de169687ba1d90a8af512ffeae19c522ce05ac16c0400f3b915669f50d0dc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:46:53 - 09:58:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形)，並備質詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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好有請中選會主委安江主委委員好好主席各位同仁大家好首先感謝我很不是感謝啦很感嘆我們馬太安就是那個 |
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安瑟湖一流窺提花蓮的灌糊箱造成慘重的災情到現在已經兩個星期了災區還有很多地方需要救災 |
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當地救災的災民需要但是現在的一團亂不知道你們有沒有到現場但是呢 煉射湖的紅色警戒還沒有解除 |
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要不要建村 還有很多問題 大家都感到就是今天都無所謂但是我們中央災害應變中心指揮官內政部是收到我們的 在我們這邊內政委員會的監督主要的單位 |
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但是呢第一天上班卻沒有看到這個議題的安排內政部的業務報告但是呢反而現在優先排序的是中選會現在選務比救災更重要嗎是嗎還有我們的內政部長還在那邊呵呵呵呵是磨笑的聲音還是苦笑 |
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大家來還是我們人民更苦所以我們今天就是來找你來問我也不知道是什麼原因還是選後來檢討罷免後來檢討所以我們回到我們今天的主題我們要請教一下我們李主委 |
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我們你對公投綁大選的看法因為你在媒體說為了避免2018年的選務亂象再次重演傷害民主還是傾向維持現在的制度 對嗎 |
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是的 我們正在選務機關的立場2018年的選務的亂象大家記憶猶新而且是非常沉痛的一個記憶也因此在2021年的四大公投裡面有一個公投就是又要把這個公投跟大選要綁在一起但是那個公投案並沒有通過 |
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沒有通過的意義就是表示說人民還是很在乎並不支持這樣子的一種做法那現在各種條件是不是有所改變是不是到了要再重新檢討的一個程度但是問題選務的問題我們是要讓一個選務 |
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委員會來去處理吧不是在2018年到現在還在說這個問題所以我們可以在檢討後做不一樣的改進措施所以這個亂象完全沒有辦法改善嗎還有我們投票的目的就是變民還是因為便宜你行事 |
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就好這樣子的話你覺得說在2018年現在你還要拿出來再去講這樣子是真的是傷害人民嗎選務的考量是其中之一但是並不是全部對但是我們還必須要考慮你曉得我們歷年在公投的就是說我們的票率是多少嗎你看 |
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我們在公投的時候在公投法在2003年的就是年底立法在2004年年底正式實施全國性的公投第一到第二的兩個案件在2004年與總統選舉同日選舉投票率逾45%2028年我們也是全國性公投 |
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與立委選舉同日執行我們的投票率就是26%還有在2008年同年我們叫五到六案全國性公投我們也與總統一起執行 |
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投票率也過了35%在2018年我們也是全國性公投我們在從第七到第十六屆以九合一地方選舉也同日執行十項公投裡面我們投票率就是54% |
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1%到55.89%之間在2021年也是我們的17到20案跟我們的公投脫鉤後呢單獨公投投票率也是11%左右今年剛結束的河山研議公投投票率 |
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僅得29.53%越來越低請問我們的主委你覺得投票率低是傷害民主還是實踐憲法主權在還是我們民主的表現 |
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投不投票这是公民的自由那一个公投案能不能够吸引我现在讲的是你的改善跟工作的效果一个公投案能不能够让选民愿意站出来来表示他的意见你要看选民对于这个公投的议题他是否感到必要他是否有兴趣是否跟他的生活有密切的关系所以不能够把这个问题 |
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跟單純的跟選舉綁在一起來看這是第一點第二點公投跟選舉綁在一起會混亂了這個投票的一個焦點因為選舉的議題你把人民都是傻的什麼混亂 |
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现在就是你们的工作混乱你们的工作要懂得怎么样去排序怎么解决问题你把所有的事丢给人民什么混乱没有什么叫做混乱是安排我们的制度跟程序如果你说这样子的混乱的话我再问你历年来的公投选务花费是多少 |
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我們要是要怎麼樣去為我們的國家最近這一次立法院送過來的案子就是河山炎疫的問題這個案子就花了11億4千萬所以你們就是沒有綁在一起才要亂花錢也達到這樣子的為我們的國家要去省錢 |
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要達到的工作效率但是你沒有解決工作效率你還要把國家的錢來去花費對啊我就問你說公投選務花費多少嘛但是我要問你這個問題公投選務現在歷年來花費了是多少 |
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歷年那太久了太久了所以你開情的面連眼睛都不眨一下我們國家的錢都是納稅的錢你要的範圍是不是可以來給一個公文我們根據你的公文再發函回給你 |
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我現在告訴你啦我們選我們呢 據我們的中選會就是在向媒體說2018年我們的公投花費15億當時公投案雖然是有死案 |
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但因為跟選舉綁在一起 估計一案約1.5億在2021年 我們的與大選脫鉤後呢四個案公投 需要費用就是花了13億多就是估計當次獨立進行的公投每一案平均花費就是3億多啦 |
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所以今年我們核三原液討入我們的公投是要的就是花費已經11億所以不可否認的是說公投合併全國的大選才能實踐民主又兼顧節省的成本 |
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我們是要跟你講的是說我們為了國家你們的工作也要說要去預算的成本還有效率我們講的是這個所以我們希望大家來支持我們的台灣民眾黨黨團有建議就是現行公民投票的舉行 |
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於全國性的選舉脫鉤嚴重阻礙人民行使直接的民權還有為了打破鳥籠的公投實踐我們的憲法主權在民之原則我們希望我們的公投公民投票法第23條 |
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文裡面的修正草案民定主管機構對於公民投票案公告成立後一個月起以六個月內進行公民投票該期間內有全國性的選舉時應該 |
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就是该选举同日举行我们会努力来推动修法通过我们希望的是这样才我们要去评估还有我们要的人力物力我们都要去评估我们人民要照我们政府的规定可以让我讲两句话吗 |
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但是我們要花那麼多錢還有就是浪費那麼多人力因為時間的關係我們主席已經站出來了已經站起來了給一句第一句話第一句話就是委員剛剛所做的這些論述 |
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我覺得還有許多許多的盲點 |