| IVOD_ID |
163866 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163866 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:28:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T10:41:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0312156623b229e26b1cbd8f3401de56a522ce05ac16c040013c5f764d90b48005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:57 - 10:41:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席請部長好有請鄭部長委員早部長法律沒有顏色在民主法治的台灣該怎麼辦就怎麼辦沒有錯嗎這都是我們高度的共識下一頁 |
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面對當今政壇最大的醜聞而且他也釀成了幾乎是世界級的醜聞民主之恥用跟監偷拍的方式來進行政治的針防我也就這個主題在上週五質詢了卓榮泰院長 |
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我主張保護閣員的隱私更是保護國家的安全我們應當前端有效的預防而末端如果有不法的人員就要依法來就處徹查我想就是回到法律的規範裡頭 |
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但是呢 這個黨狗煤的產業鏈啊我非常遺憾的說我們立法院的司法法治委員會應當是來精進法治的但是卻被有效 不效的人士來作為利用法治來作為不法行為的掩護我真的很遺憾的要說司法法治委員會幾乎成了這個黨狗煤產業鏈的犯案現場 |
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怎麼說呢拿著很多偷拍不正的手段偷拍而來的影像來這裡為難官員質詢您拿著揭發弊案的這種名目事實上是在打擊政敵更甚至讓我回頭來看是不勝唏噓啊我們各黨這麼努力的催生制定了吹哨者保護法 |
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但是在制定這個法律的催生者之一黃國昌委員他為的居然不是來保護真正良善的吹哨者而恐怕是流於要為不法遏制的這些偷拍吹哨者來築起保護傘所以如果司法法治委員會淪為這樣一個產業鏈 |
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的犯案現場真的是台灣民主法治的悲哀喔保紐你有被偷拍嗎這我不清楚那你有沒有什麼樣的訊息或是自己有什麼樣的提醒 |
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我想觀園就是在一個就是陸立重工那權力以赴之外那我想當然有它的一個私生活嘛那我想私生活我們就是依照我們的公務人員政理規範或者說我們就注意自己的 |
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合乎法規之外也是要保護個人的生活隱私那這部分我想我們也要避免被受害所以我想這部分都要去做提高警覺對 是您覺得您會不會也是被偷拍的可能對象我不知道因為我上班很正常就是就回到宿舍部長 我們還是提高警覺因為就我看來您應當也是極高有可能的來 我們看一下 |
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因為這個鉤仔集團以揭秘之名行政治偵訪之時啊遍佈了內閣的許多的部會郭志輝前經濟部長 |
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鄭文燦前行政院副院長陳時中更不用說史喆連在文化部長的任內也被偷拍了而他還跨院紀李俊毅秘書長監察院還有潘孟安他當時是一介平民只因為他在輔選賴清德總統競選 |
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所以說呢他的對象非常的廣泛而內閣的閣員啊真的是都可能成為被偷拍的對象下一頁而前法務部部長蔡清祥就被偷拍啦而且黃國昌委員還拿著這個偷拍的資訊來這裡質詢您 |
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最後被打臉是烏龍的爆料我調出當天您有多為難呢當天是在今年的六月份黃國昌就在這裡我為什麼說司法法治委員會成了這個黨狗煤產業鏈不法集團的犯案現場 |
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拿著這個不法拍來的偷拍的照片來為難您然後要求你說這個蔡清祥被拍到上班時間去喬聯合再生的官司你記不記得有這樣質詢你還要求你立案調查 有沒有有這回事 |
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結果事後證明是被打臉嘛蔡清強部長在黃國昌委員秀出來的照片看圖說故事的當天整天都在立法院備詢可是當下你沒有足夠的資訊你在備詢台上面對委員的咄咄逼人我調了逐字稿你當天也很為難的說好那我們來調查好像還押了時間要一週內啊 |
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只要拿這種資訊來為難法務部長如果您還真的去調查了幫助了這個不法偷拍的集團 |
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這成何體統啊所以我在這裡建議未來不分黨派的立法委員包括我也嚴格要求我自己如果有任何立委拿著不知道從哪裡而來來源不明 真偽不實的照片資訊在這裡要求您做這個承諾去做那個調查 |
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我認為您都要仔細謹慎的回應否則很可能就淪為這個黨狗煤產業鏈不幸的淪為它的被利用的對象這點應當做到吧謝謝委員提醒 |
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是藉由媒體的揭發讓我們官員更可以據理力爭如果真有弊案真有不法當然該辦就辦這就是我們的立場但如果是來源不明真偽不實來這裡帶風向的我想部長應當要有這樣子的一個承擔跟背膀該say no就say no我們捍衛的是法治的精神下一頁下一頁 |
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那現在除了偷拍他可能違反哪些法單純的不法偷拍政治偵訪 |
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目前涉及的就是剛剛委員寫的新法315之一這個是甚至去謀利的部分對不對如果沒有謀利之前涉違法刑法的妨礙秘密還有個資法嘛如果說它涉及境外勢力的話可能還有 |
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還有國安跟反滲透法的規範那最新的是被揭露了偷拍產業鏈還涉及利用立法委員的幕僚昨天被踢爆的那涉及用非法而且是牟利的方式來進行打擊政敵他可能最佳一等可能會違反哪些法律 |
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如果拿來牟利 牟利的話他當然有刑法這個委員有寫到315-2的問題嘛那但是會不會成立他要檢察官去做一個調查嘛所以依證據到哪裡就辦哪裡只是他可能觸犯的法律在這裡我們必須要就法論法那最後要就教於您下一頁法務部公署機關 |
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被這位謝姓記者拿去承租潘孟安當時是一介平民喔他當時居住而且是租用的社區的停車場這位謝姓記者利用的是法務部記者室的地址去登記租借了這件事情你們有沒有查你們要怎麼辦 |
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這部分我們不清楚我們不知道他會我們也沒有授權他這樣做當然不准許也不會授權授權不知道我們也不可能授權所以我們那個處所那只是我們六樓是有一個辦公室我們是提供給記者就所有的司法記者一個公用的一個空間就像立法院也有記者室一個撰稿或發新聞之用而已 |
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那也沒有說這個是你哪有個人哪一個位置我們幫他排行 沒有這樣這是一個公用的一個空間而已那這部分我們這件事我們非常的震驚啊 人當震怒啊太扯了 怎麼會有這種事情所以我們會再加強注意就是去 |
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不要再有此類的情形那就這件事情你也沒辦法已經成為繼承事實了他拿去租了好長一段時間他就把聯絡地寫成我們六樓請問您常常跟台北司法記者聯誼會來互動嗎 |
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我們會有一些的不定期的做一個互動比如我們那個新聞的一些的亮點的發表或者一些查序我們會做互動好 我做出這樣子的建議如果用不實的資訊去租借做任何的契約文書它應當也涉及了偽造問書吧你們應該還是有告發的必要吧 |
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或者是這部分這邊我們這公訴罪他也可以主動偵辦他是寫這個是他的地址是這個有沒有涉及到我這去研究一下好不好這很清楚他就用不實的地址他確實偽造文書啊他確實因為你們沒有同意他用這個地址去租借這個這個社區的 |
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對不對 社區的停車場啊你們難道沒辦法嗎法律是來保護善良的人但是法務部卻被利用了 濫用了我們無法可辦嗎這部分應該是韋兆文書這邊因為無自作權去冒用他的名義去製作的嘛 |
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這個沒有涉及到法務部的一個文書他只是把法務部的那個柱子跟六樓好 所以你現在能做的就是以後提房但房不勝房啊 |
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是 這個這部分我們都要拜託媒體記者不要我相信啦這個司法記者聯誼會的多數記者是善良的是秉持媒體的良知的是善盡媒體的第四權的監督義務的但是有發生這樣子的不肖的行為我認為法務部都應當再去查一下有沒有任何 |
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你們司法記者聯誼會的名目被拿去做了很多不當的行為或者是這個記者室本身也去孫孫看一看 有人在那做了什麼樣子的我也不知道會不會有偷拍的東西布在你們法務部裡頭啊提高警覺 但是我還是覺得你們相對是比較被動相對也比較 當然你們很無辜嘛 |
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我希望部長能夠多想想我們要預防因為法務部就是要法治要能夠彰顯的地方各位網友我們再跟會長我們再跟他們做一個溝通就不要以法務部的當作他們的不要濫用這個空間濫用的地址也不要濫用這個頭銜是 |
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749.924 |
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765.533 |
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我也會幫忙想想否則社會覺得法務部沒辦法有什麼公權可以行使這也覺得說不完我們再思考一下好 該怎麼辦就怎麼辦不分顏色法律是保護善良人保護善良社會的好 謝謝 |