| IVOD_ID |
163857 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163857 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:15:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T10:28:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff091abea85ea3b48dfb1cbd8f3401de56a522ce05ac16c0400541701c7b896d2c15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:45 - 10:28:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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主席 我們請部長好 有請鄭部長委員早部長早這個我今天這個短短的時間裡面我大概今天很認真的研讀你們的這個書面報告那這個 在這個書面報告裡面我特別重視你們這第12頁有關於這個 |
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研修檢查刑事法規裡面的第二項法規研修販賣第一級毒品刑責規定要符合罪行相當原則這個部長有看到了這是你們的這個 |
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報告裡面 另外我看到你們的這個這本法務部立法計畫裡面也把這個毒品公開防止條例第17條修正案列在第14案也就是說這是你們的重點這個會期的重點的修法而且現在好像進度現在是不是送到行政院院會了現在這個已經審訊了你們部裡面審訊還是行政院行政院在今年已經審訊了已經審訊了是不是 |
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這個齁你們這個修法當然是因應這個這個憲法法庭這個112年憲判第13號判決他針對這個他宣告這個毒品危害防治條例的第四條第一項前段是違憲這是只要是製造運輸販賣低級毒品齁就處死刑或無期徒刑齁那這樣子的這個規定齁 |
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他事實上行度僵化啦這個評價也失衡了他會導致一種結果就是你這個販賣他只用這個毒品的種類來規範導致販賣0.5公克的這個低級毒品跟販賣500公斤 |
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這個第四級毒品這個這個刑度的這個衡量就完全跟這個他對社會的危害是相反的對法醫的侵害是這個這個顯然是失衡但是你們這個為了因應這個這個宪判制這112年宪判制第13號的這個宣判你們就用這個修法去修正 |
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這個第十七條之一齁這個在那在你們第十七條之一簡單講你們就是把他的這個這個原本的第四條第一項的這個販賣一級毒品齁你們把他的行為、態樣、數量等如果情節輕微啦齁那你們嫌苛民宿你們認為就用這個五十九條減刑之後這減刑期刑之後還太重了你們可以再減刑一次你們大概就是立法立法意思就是這樣子對不對 |
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那是跟委員報告的確這個問題就我們這部分我們在一個有把製造運輸販賣各級毒品的這部分反正這些有情節輕微的我們都是列為修正常就是說第59條減輕期刑之後可以再 |
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原引第17條之一我們本來詐偽條本來就可以我們這次修法就把它可以減了減了當然如果還有59那另外法官另外再一次嘛我看你們的修正條文啊你們的修正條文這個行為太讓如果情節輕微嫌可免訴但是那個我們那個審訊版的審訊版的是我們現在審訊版的是製造販賣那個運輸各級毒品情節輕微得減刑 |
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那你們原本的我不知道你們省郡版是什麼所以那個嫌困民宿的這部分因為我們當然是抱怨版還有一個嫌困民宿的那再加一次 只減一次嘛那你們原本的這個曾經有罪判決確定者不再實現這個還保留嗎這個是有保留 這個是省郡版是有保留這個也就是說你們新增這種有這個等於說有前科的人就不能試用了 |
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是不是就是曾經判決曾經判決有罪曾經有罪判決確定的人就不能適用他就一樣販賣0.5公斤的一級毒品他就是死刑跟五級徒刑是這樣子嗎這樣子是不是我請那個是因為他是主是參與 |
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市長我跟你講你們這個修法我想你們也知道啦你們這個第17條之一你們用這種方式來修訂大法官針對第4條第一項前段的這個違憲這個是可以說是反應不佳不管是學界民間不只反應不佳是惡評如潮各位報告剛才講到那個但書除外不讓他檢刑這事實上是我們現辦次他判決的意旨他對有犯罪記錄的狀況之下我們是 |
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這個外界認為說你們這樣子直接在就是大法官說你這樣子違憲所以你就加一個17條之一然後簡單的給他寫說這個還可以再減輕一次這個便宜刑事的立法簡單就是敷衍大法官沒有沒有 各位報告事實上大法官他並沒有指示說這個法條本身是違憲他只是良心的空間在一些他原本是要 你看他們判決他原本是整部 |
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法律要跟您宣告違憲他這個叫做適用上違憲他本身法條上面有違憲只是在這個情形法重的狀況之下在宣告你們這個草案17條是修正草案其實去年就提出來了去年你們提出來的時候民間就有很大對你們這個質疑聲音對不對但是今年 |
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到了今年你們最後送院還是照你們原本的各位我們送院版後來經過外界有一些反應之後我們後來召開會議我們事實上現在院裡面通過的版本審訊的版本事實上跟我們報院版已經不一樣了對 但是你們最後今天因為你們提出這個業務報告提到一樣17.4110月1號 |
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民間自改會他又開了一次記者會對不對你們也回應了嘛對那民間自改會他認為是應該在法定法定形上做處理對我們認為事後大法官會這個判決你們那時候10月1號你們的回應是這個法務部你們會廣納意見凝聚共識對以這個符合憲判的意旨對那最後10月8號出來的我們正式的書面報告你們沒有 |
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沒有納任何意見啊還是你們廣納意見之後覺得你們這種修法是最好的事實上沒有錯我們事實上後來就是召開各個會議找相關的機關來後來是今天10月8號10月1號大概是10月1號之前那你們10月1號之後你們回應說你們還會再廣納意見還會再凝聚共識10月1號到今天你們做了什麼沒有你們提出來的還是這個啊 |
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這個各界這個意見我希望說你們能夠這個充分參考他們這個提出這個民間版提出這個整個修法它基本上是希望說我們把用毒品的種類跟毒品的數量兩個做加權加權之後做一個良害的標準對不對就是衡量它這個對這個危害的等級來做一個標準用這個標準來量刑 |
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這樣子的修法意見 希望你們能夠參考這邊有跟我們報告 因為民間版它的版本事實上會涉及到整個都平文化防治條例它整個架構會改變整個重量各方面 整個這個法都全面要修正沒有錯它是支持體大 |
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為什麼會做這樣就是因為原本你們只按照宣告一級毒品就是怎麼樣二級毒品你們只按照毒品的種類來量刑嘛原本的法架構是這樣嘛對不對原本法架構就是一級毒品是怎麼樣二級毒品是怎麼樣三級毒品四級毒品 |
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那民間就認為說這樣子只按照毒品的種類下去就會產生我剛所講的0.5公克的一級毒品跟500公斤的四級毒品這個良心的失衡嗎對 所以在這個狀況下我們就現在我們修法之後賦予法官更大良心上的檢查空間我們希望你們能夠 |
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能夠檢討 因為這個民間的反應並不是很小啦不只民間司改會 你這學界也都質疑你們這個修法是敷衍大法官是便宜形式的修法我希望你們這個部分能夠在你們既然你們自己也說要廣大民間意見我希望你們能夠就這些部分跟民間至少你說溝通你們覺得這個是最好的你跟溝通應該是沒有問題啊 |
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好不好這個部分我們再把這意見我們再反映給再來讓我檢討第二個一樣是在這個市長請回一樣是在我們的業務報告裡面第12頁一樣是第12頁你們有提到有關於這個這個籌設要完備司法精神醫療處所 |
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的這個部分這部分我在今年3月的時候我在這裡發言我就曾經跟部長請教過有關於這個司法精神醫院的這個籌建進度那這個你們 你在那時候回答我說就是在今年年底會完工 明年啟用現在已經10月了今年年底能夠如期完工嗎司法精神醫院 |
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我是病房他這個精神醫院的一個籌備最主要是由衛福部在主政的那法務部是在做安全 你們掌握的進度那今年的話應該目前在籌備建制中不是不是不是你回答114年你在3月的時候回答114年今年年底能夠如期完工 |
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明年要啟用這是衛福部給我們提供的一個所以你們現在我們現在是因為法務部你們有沒有掌握進度對 那法務部那個衛福部的原來的預定就是在今年年底對 那現在已經剩兩個月了你們有沒有掌握進度能夠逐期完工嗎衛福部能夠逐期完工嗎你們有沒有掌握進度這個大概 |
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原本這個法定裡面就是司法精神醫院但你在這個書面報告裡面你們就完全避談司法精神醫院這幾個字你在這裡把它 第一點你寫籌設司法精神醫療保安處分執行處所模稜兩可 |
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迴避掉司法精神醫院的這個進度他那個建設完成當然就會寫直接就寫司法精神的醫院嘛那現在是因為司法建設是屬於醫療這個除了司法精神醫院還有司法精神病床現在你們中部的 你們說中部的30床也是今年年底要完工我們希望是今年年底能夠完工但是我想我們還在加減 |
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這個我們再努力 再努力能不能完工因為最主要是因為那個廠商的一個問題就是一個所以事實上有困難是不是我們希望說能夠當然我們趕到今年能連年完工那不行 看明年上半年我們盡快來完成建置所以你們現在這個就是你們這個有關這個司法 |
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這個司法精神病房這個部分你們掌握就是今年年底恐怕沒有辦法完工是不是這個比較我們再努力再努力好啦這個 |
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因為你們現在你們這個司法精神病房的部分你們總共規劃就是183床大概就是北部 南部南部現在已經啟用了東部啟用了 北部啟用了現在中部的30床現在就是原本年底要完工那個當然是我們是能夠趕但是我想但是最我們至少在明年因為時間到我講結論 |
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這個你們過去大家各界都質疑你們這個司法精神病房本除了這個目前床數不足之外你們維安的人力也不足啦那這部分希望這個有關介護跟維安人力的需求評估還有這個你們目前到底有多少的這個高暴力風險的這些受處分的人他並不是透過司法精神病院 |
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病房的儲育是在其他機構儲育這些部分請你在一個月還有這個有關於這個司法精神醫療處所剩下兩個月的這個籌備期間要開始收支有沒有具體的一致計畫這目前在其他有沒有具體的一致計畫這部分請你們以書面一個月內提出報告好不好是 |