| IVOD_ID |
163851 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163851 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T10:04:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T10:15:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0f26088ce1d26a544b1cbd8f3401de56a522ce05ac16c0400826982371071214a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:18 - 10:15:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請部長法務部部長委員早部長 幾個問題請教在你們今天提出來的書面報告裡頭立法計畫裡頭有一個叫做嚴定饋政罪及影響力交易罪 |
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那就是主要是對就是說不具公務員身份但是對公務員有影響力之人你是他的朋友啦他的金主啦他的什麼啦那你們現在想要去修刑法的這一個121條之一不法規正罪123條之一的影響力交易罪嘛是部長我請問一下如果有一個公務員他 |
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預期半年後要退休半年後要退休那就有人去找他啊你半年後就退休啊 退休啊六十幾歲對不對 就年輕 才有財政啊議案就繼續發揮一下啊不然我看 創一個辦公室啊啊 裝潢一下人工退休到有所在的地方去啊 這三百萬拿去裝潢啦這樣 他們朋友啦 他們朋友 |
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這樣講 一個辦公室這樣 半年要退休他接下來半年他還是公務員他還是公務員 如果這樣的狀況算不算這個東西 |
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他這部分影響利益交易罪就是意圖不法的一個利益因為公務機關的一個決定會有不法的利益就是受人之託嘛或者他主導他沒講個案啦沒講個案嘛沒講個案他就講 |
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你就半年要退休 看你這麼有財政對不對不然這樣就退休 社會順心的 創辦公室 總統一個這三百萬我看 大家合幣休 倒三天一個你就給他收下去 收下去 收下去 |
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這公務人員可以收嗎這個委員所提這個案例有可能比較是不法饋贈罪不法饋贈罪不法饋贈喔對 就是因為去搜索這些因為植物有利害關係可能比較傾向於不法饋贈罪沒有 沒利害關係喔 我不跟你說我送的人不跟你說 我要跟你拜託什麼那這樣會不會是公務員年政人員規範的一個問題 |
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因為如果是親友的話當然是那個送的東西沒有限制嘛但是如果說有一些的植物上的一些的關係那個只能五百塊以下那另外沒有植物上的公務禮是三千塊以下如果他親友的話當然是親戚朋友父親要送給子女或者是兄弟之間或寶類那種的好 反過來反過來有一個公務人員要退休了 |
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現在他旁邊的人 他就去找他朋友說欸 以前我們這個也有哪個對你不錯呢你就要退休啊 你也倒三工一下 退休就沒地方可以去我們也找個辦公室給它裝潢一下我看你啦 你很聰明啦不然我們這個喔 你也平常都叫它大的大的 現在就要退休啊這樣啦 你倒三工一下 多少都沒關係啦過去也都給你倒三工對不對你看一下人情義利 倒三工一下 |
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這會做什麼事他講完 他的朋友講完 那些人真的要我站起來還要站去辦公室這個要看有沒有跟職務有關嘛如果職務有關的話 那當然是有犯罪的一個問題好 這個案啦 高雄這個個案所以你這因為你這條文 你會說不具公務員身份但對公務員有影響力之人嘛這高雄這檢察官 法官 |
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在這一條上面的這種裁量判斷喔 空間會很大有影響力之人啊這 高雄看要怎麼用喔 這個可能修法過程大家還要來討論一下喔這個喔 因為這個還在 |
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還在現在的審查中 我想這部分他就會有意見讓這個構成要件更周延 更合理 更有可行性那能夠解決這些的實際上的問題那所以這個還沒有送到立法 這還沒有審訊所以剛才委員提那個問題 我想這個跟職務上有沒有利害關係 所以 |
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是不是這個是真的誠意有沒有利害關係有些還沒發生嘛因為他可能會有契約嘛啊契約口頭契約你啊辦人的人你也搞不清楚啊他們兩個有說什麼我們不知道嘛就是有口頭契約嘛啊第二個就是說他們兩個關係很好要保證你現在叫我們這個常識啊關係很好 |
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我說你們兩個關係很好 想像一下你們兩個關係很好結果告訴我 沒有啦 我們兩個關係不好公務在處理很順暢啦對啊 我意思是說 以後這個年年看啦年年看 萬一他們定期 大家會在吃飯啊有一個吃飯 大家退休有一個聯誼會關係不錯啦 不然可能大家會在吃飯這種年年看在這種有影響力的這個定義上可能後續要更周延 或者我覺得 |
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醫療這個事情 大家亂念有些人去用羅茲罪名也有可能 這個是一個第二個剛才蔣介石委員在講這個科技監控我請問一下 現在去用科技監控的人他對他們家人 要走去看電影 覺得跟你說他這個不用 |
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他最主要是 當然有要告誡像港口海岸這些等等的機場的這些他會有做一個 他如果是住在新庭他還可以跑去台東 花蓮 宜蘭一直都要渡假 那個是沒問題啊沒問題 他走台11線沒有問題 |
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訊號的問題啦 因為自相我們手機啊 手機啊有些不是啦 我就說我要去他有些告警會有 我要去基隆廟口夜市靠近基隆港你知道嗎他有一些的違理喔 就是說不能靠近他有一些警戒 不能立刻他會跟他說明當事人知不知道 他要帶這個之前當事人知不知道 他不可以去基隆廟口吃夜市廟口是知道啊 這個可以的啊 |
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他那個有一個道法因為他有一個跟他交代就是說哪些地方是不能去的海濱亞當然是有一些的怕偷渡所以會有告知他可以去台東成功移港吃海鮮嗎 |
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這個個案的話我沒辦法 我現在的意思是說他現在在移動有些地方你告訴他不能去 對不對那但是他沒有去那些地方他跟某些人接觸 一個人講話講三點鐘 一堆講我們也不知道一堆講我們也不知道 你們也不會去查這個在監控裡頭 都是合法的嘛 |
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只要這個訊號能夠隨從我到 我想這個都不會去打電話去跟他去跟他查說他在高雄過夜三天可以嗎 |
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可以啊 這個可以啊 這個沒有在限制他的行動的就在台灣 不要靠近因為他怕整個就是一個逃亡嘛因為有限制他的一個區域所以這個電子監控就是你們告訴他哪裡不能去因為他有些訊號的問題那他不能去 如果去了你們就會預警了嗎就會預警 他會告警了 |
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第二 剛剛有些委員提到你們的設備 兩講兩講這樣啦 我是覺得你們的名詞定義有問題名詞定義啦 譬如說車開公里後要去保用嘛保用就進維修廠 保養廠嘛你們的定義可能就叫做維修啦 |
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他可能 一個人喝飲料 收回來的時候還要檢查嘛那去給你們放在那個庫裡面嘛 應該是這樣嘛應該是說 比較精細的就像保養啦就保養維修中啦因為剛才有舉例嘛 因為這個維修不是壞掉 而是說因為東西要有它的準確性因為我看到吳宗憲委員 他的表格裡面 最旁邊有一個叫庫存 |
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還有一個說準備要贏的名詞嘛 那是你那個健康中心寫的所以不是壞了啦 可能就是在維修在怎樣的時候我覺得這個名詞啊那個我們回去再一個 解釋不是說維修 維護中還是說怎麼一個保養維護中對啦 保養中也可以啦 如果說壞了就是壞了這就是大家要定義清楚啦 |
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你叫廠商的合約也有這樣定義嗎這個我回去要再了解因為這個比較細節上的問題所以叫廠商的合約你剛招標把它定清楚然後這個外界要資料的時候那些東西到底是什麼車子的淨產保養不是壞了所以剛才有講說為兄弟兄我們用詞用的錯所以引起其他委員不是用錯啦你就是用那個名詞不精準啦改一個大家看得懂那個意思不然看得那個文字會覺得怪怪最後一個 |
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608.004 |
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619.632 |
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因為最近有些城市很多的自殺的 自由落體的 服屍的到我警察都斑斑的 都說沒有偷殺跡象 都自殺到這麼多這我看可能跟很多詐騙的受害者有關的這我看你們是不是 了解一下 |
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627.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
637.318 |
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查一下說這個 我不知這樣 每天的新聞說這裡又跳一個 那個又跳一個問當地的警方 警方說查查就沒事情了 那就自殺了啊 那就怎樣怎樣每一個個案加起來 搞不好是一個系統性的啦搞不好他們就是叫那個詐騙集團 拼拼到沒辦法拼到沒辦法一大堆跳牢的嘛 一大堆去跳河的嘛 很多嘛所以有沒有可能是這樣啦 |
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653.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
664.294 |
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所以這個請法務部這個事情了解一下是 這邊我們再來做一個溝期啊沒有 那個溝期人家說很奇怪的啊我們這裡怎麼都有人在跳啊跳跳都說沒有 都自殺的 奇怪那些自殺的啊自殺他們後面的原因是什麼 是不是共同的原因啊這個再請法務部大家關心一下好不好好 謝謝 |