| IVOD_ID |
163834 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163834 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-20,15,35,19,22,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[5] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T09:28:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T09:34:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f0233cd0619a8ff0d5f99ca9359480332b1f00580874b15565fa544d5cbab131472786d5621fa9625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:28:36 - 09:34:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案（114年度至116年度）」【詢答及處理，預算提案於10月8日上午10時截止收件】【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好請陳主委長還有莊部長委員好今天這個預算編列總數是五千七百億但是因為那個強化台電的那個電網的韌性那兩百億已經被上次在談的時候就被拿掉所以你這是編了五千五百億嘛對不對 |
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不是 我們總經費是5700億然後5500億是這一次預算然後留200億是放在後續要編列所以那個強化電網是後續會播強化電網本身就刪除了所以那個就沒有編在這裡面所以將來還會再有另外200億的那個200億是另外的就是說也是產業方面將來如果是有不足的部分再來續編這個最佳的一個部分 |
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那裡面最大條的就是要普發現金兩千三百六十億嘛可是你一用前幾年的稅計剩餘前三年的稅計剩餘累積了才四千多億對不對所以我們還得借一千多億的錢所以就是說我用比較簡單的口語話就是請教你說等於我們要借一千多億來發這兩千三百六十億嘛 |
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因為之前的稅計剩餘加進來再加這一千多才夠這次預算的五千七百億 是 是不是這樣的意思 是 部長是不是這樣的意思我看你的報告裡面是這樣 沒有錯 是的那這樣合理嗎我們的財政狀況有好到這種地步嗎 因為其實國際社會的變化就很大 雖然 |
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過去這幾年財政的結構有非常大的改善從以前的舉債我以前第十二屆我第九屆立委來的時候那時候馬英九總統的舉借最高到達37點多接近那個40.6的上限幾乎都沒有舉債的空間了可是我看到你的報告說現在降到24點多這跟台灣的GDP |
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這幾年有顯著提升也有關係啦然後另外舉債的比例變少因為我們之前幾年都有稅計剩餘嘛是 我們一直努力的還債所以其實預算裡面編列那些舉借最後都沒有舉借所以我們那個舉借的比例一直降低是的 |
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可是現在國際的變化這麼大一下地緣衝突 二屋戰爭那一下就是美國的這個關稅問題 叫做談判所以我們未來感到要用錢的地方很多啊像美國一直要求說我們台灣要增加國防預算來保護自己啊那這個應該也是一個非常急切的事情所以我們雖然 |
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扣打已經增加出來很多了可是這樣子用合理嗎你認為這樣的財政支配合理嗎跟委員報告確實您說的很適合也就是說維持一個財政韌性是非常重要也就是說我們有稅基剩餘的時候第一個可以去因應國際政經情勢的一個變化或者是現在的所謂的氣候變異常的狀況救災的需要的錢這是非常重要的 |
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所以為什麼我們在稅入好的時候我們除了還預算的債要編列的債務債我們還增加還債這幾年來我們增加還債的1301億總計還了1兆0733億的錢所以當我們稅客收入好的時候我們都會積極的還債讓我們的債務比例往下降那麼才有空間來因應一些突發情勢部長我跟你說明喔在第九屆第十屆立委就是 |
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218.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
240.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
這個基本上蔡英文政府執政的時代立法院民進黨是多數那時候國民黨的委員都在這邊誓言旦旦一定要遵守財政紀律啊嚴格要求財政紀律就現在他人多了加藍白多數之後立法來多花這些錢那以前為什麼就是要財政紀律現在的財政紀律是用這樣的方式在對待 |
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241.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
268.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
你覺得原因是什麼 因為他覺得他自己可以當家 他可以花這個錢他要把行政權的 這個用預算的權利搶在手裡是這樣嗎當然委員說的是沒錯就是說我們整個的財政紀律一定要遵守那麼才能夠國家作為長遠發展的財政需求來支應整個環境的變化那你覺得我們這一次這樣子的做法有遵照財政紀律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
270.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
293.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
這一次當然這樣因為特別條例這樣訂了以後就財政部來說還是要去注意債務的一個控管一定要在公債法的上限之下來做執行部長你如果這樣講公債法舉債的空間要很大咧但是問題是你不預留一些金額不預留一些扣打將來國家發生變動或是發生天然災害的時候預備金不夠的時候那要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
295.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
315.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
確實要特別留意這個我們一定要到時候立法院再來說我們再把40.6的這個舉債上限再提高嗎還是要像美國這樣子因為兩黨的黨爭所以政府部門關門啊我想債務的控管是大家都很注意的事情而且我們的債務整個比例在國際來說是非常優等的這裡就是各個性平機構給我們 |
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316.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
335.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我是觉得要注意财政纪律既然是大家要求的标准不应该执政或是不应该是少数党多数党的时候就像初一十五不一样是这是国家整体的财政是好谢谢好我们谢谢吴秉瑞委员接下来我们请颜宽恒委员发言 |