| IVOD_ID |
163827 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163827 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-07T15:17:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-07T15:33:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7828e564de0d60cb7b90dc183f91c463ac1daff01b5f928259e7dd61fff6f8019c2ab639a50d16805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐富癸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:17:42 - 15:33:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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有提到說他們要把總預算退回去從邊甚至要告你賭職而且引用刑法第129條第二項這真嚴重院長我想他們指控你扣課軍人的家姓還有警消的退休金號還有說未來要協助他們國賠 |
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你覺得你有所謂的一個堵職的狀況請院長回答身為憲政機關我們在憲法的制度底下維護行政院應該有的職權我想這個是我的責任我只希望說行政院編預算的過程跟立法院審預算的結果都要合於利民利國的這個方向如果立法院要大幅增加行政院的支出一定要事先來徵詢並且共同找出裁員 |
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沒有履行到這個程序就是違反了憲法違反了預算法違反了財政紀律法相關的規定也違反了很多的很多的這個大法官的解釋所以在這個情況底下我們必須捍衛憲法我也必須進到憲政機關的職人我希望在野的黨團能夠了解凡是 |
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要在立法院裡面討論我們願意主動積極的參與各項討論但是一定要有這種過程而不是在這裡用表決就可以把預算無限上綱這樣就是會敗壞國家的財政紀律讓國庫空虛而且影響中央地方的事權分立更嚴重的是破壞了整個憲政秩序 |
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院長我想從去年到現在我們看到這個不管是國民黨也好民眾黨也好這個在立法院上演這個政治的一個亂劇不管是這個立法修法的過程 |
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根本就沒有一個所謂的法治觀念甚至連這個總預算還有我們財化法在修的過程裡面根本不讓我們行政機關 行政團隊有講話的機會連我們都押手押手人家也要給人照顧 給人修理那我想面對這樣的一個財政的困境院長 針對這個總預算的部分您個人有什麼看法未來怎麼樣來跟我們的韓院長來配合怎麼來做這個 做一個妥善的處理明年的總預算 中央編列稅數3兆0350億 |
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如果跟今年比較起來加上今年後來通過的追加預算明年只增加了220而已其實在整個國家正在大量要因應整個國際情勢來看增加的幅度並不算大反而是很小的在這個情況底下我當然誠懇的希望大院能夠提早順利合理的審議明年度的中央政府總預算至於其中爭議的包括 |
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警消的退休條例的問題還有軍人的待遇大法官會議做怎麼樣的解釋行政院就接受違憲我們當然不可編合憲我們就編而且可以追加到今年的年初開始以來這已經講得很清楚了要用這個理由來卡住年度的總預算 |
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背景中央沒有預算地方沒有預算人人民該有的福利也會減少該有的經濟發展也會減少公共建設也會減少國防支出也會減少這是何其重大之事所以還是誠懇的拜託我也希望朝野黨團我也能夠我們再跟譚院長一起跟大家坐下來談談到一個大家都能夠接受的方案 |
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總之把預算盡快的付為合理的審查這是全民的期待院長我想我們肯定軍公教對這個台灣社會的一個貢獻但我們還有士農工商我們這個做事的 還有企業養殖的我想每個人在不一樣的工作崗位上都扮演他們的角色我們這些的鄉親也是應該我們要照顧的對象我想院長應該認同這樣的一個論點 |
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國軍的待遇的福利我們今年已經增加了171億在裡面包括我們增加預算的59.5億已經171億在裡面我們沒有對國軍的貢獻有任何的疏忽或不尊重我們期待在所有的公務人員橫貧的情況底下大家能夠逐步緩緩的有秩序的上升這個是我們在提升公教人員的福利以及我們對勞工朋友在最低工資一樣的同樣的道理來做同樣的事情 |
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我想總統講的這個均衡台灣是我們大家要努力的目標但是沒錢就沒辦法做事情啦那尤其這個我要替我們屏東縣教訓這個新的財務法修正之後我們算一算明年我們不是增加一百多億呢反而少了四十二億啦屏東縣的財源本來就已經很拮据了少了這個四十幾億之後未來如果中央要把一些市權再交給地方政府 |
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讓屏東縣政府去執行我想這個對屏東縣政府來講真的是會雪上加霜院長尤其我現在擔心的是我們原本2020年明年的交通部提報了2200億的一個公共建設的一個預算其中對於包含我們這個 |
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縣市政府的一個交通的補助包含捷運的補助但是後來因為財化被砍了一半剩下1100億那我們很擔心我們屏東縣的目前我們有高鐵有公路有鐵路有捷運有航口這些東西都已經在規劃都已經在準備要進行我們的這個打造我們屏東的一個交通的一個動脈如果說這樣子中央政府沒有支持我們屏東縣那未來我們怎麼辦院長還有部長我們未來怎麼樣因應這樣的一個困境 |
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細節部分請部長回答我先跟委員報告這個才化法的構想我希望是達到垂直的分配能夠市權能夠劃分水平的分配能夠均衡台灣台灣均衡所以剛剛你提到的就是這個樣子為什麼屏東縣會少的比別人多就是水平劃分不理想因為他只用人口用土地用營業 |
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這對貧窮性來講是大量土地當作土地農業使用的是極端的不公平所以未來我們新的構想的財發法是要從人口結構土地利用各方面都要有它的權重這樣才能滿足這個水平的分配至於垂直的地方跟中央的權限要劃分清楚至於您說的地方的補助我覺得重大的在建設中央該做的一定會下手放手去做有些跟地方合作的將來可能就是在地方分配 |
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而上面來做一些調整來看地方的財政極致做怎麼樣的調整所以您說的個案我們請部長來說明跟委員報告比較重大的這個中央該做的建設那中央一定就會來做包含我們這個軌道的部分如果是中央的例如說台鐵我們目前在推的這個南回的電氣跟雙軌化的部分中央一定會努力來推行 |
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那包含一些快速道路包含這個屏南二快包含這個屏南快跟這個高屏二快這個部分我們一定會來快速來推行包含高鐵的部分我們會快速來推行不過軌道的部分還有另外一個部分是地方新辦的例如說捷運捷運的部分確實在才化法之後 |
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中央可以協助地方的力道確實是減少了尤其是這幾年地方在軌道方面的需求尤其是捷運的需求的數額是相當相當大例如說今年大概是399億地方的需求到了明年可能就破千億到了後年可能就是800多億 |
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那這個部分因為財化法的分化之後確實交通部能夠協助地方的力道確實是減少那這個部分就要看地方的財政上面透過統籌分配款的部分自己所增加的部分能不能來支應我想這邊還是要跟院長跟部長請你們多幫忙我每次到院會也好或是到委員會也好我都聽到我們雙北也好台中也好 |
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請委員能夠理解我們現在希望說財政能力比較不佳的縣市 |
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我們給多一點的統籌分配稅款同時建設發展比較慢的地方我們加快它的速度這才是總統所說的均衡台灣而不是強者越強 |
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但平者卻沒有變強這就不是均衡台灣可是目前的財發法真的呈現這樣的一個狀況我們必須把它導正回來我們也期待現在台灣應該可以變成一日生活圈的概念那所以很多的基礎建設尤其交通建設我們也期待我們現在的行政院團隊能夠加快進行但是不能用這樣的一個惡修財發法扼殺了我們所謂的一個南部人的一個權益問題 |
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另外我們一樣我們屏東人很多也在高雄上班我們也希望有便捷的交通有捷運可以坐那也減少這樣所謂的一個騎機車開車的這可以減少一個空氣污染的機會我們也希望問題是都看得到找不到啊 |
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我們的困難是在這裡啊那好不容易我們盼到了在這個院長跟部長的努力下我們盼到了我們都已經在做設計規劃都已經找到應該要進行時間也都定出來但是因為一個二修才化法好像又感覺那個希望又沒有了我們真的很擔心啊 |
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院長跟部長能不能在這邊當場承諾讓我們屏東匯鄉親放心我們一定支持到因為部長剛剛說的高屏二快我們已經合了那屏南快我們現在因為它過去有一個路線重疊的問題那現在大概也因為它分期來施作目前正在中規當中屏南快那高鐵我們會按照 |
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既有的進度 採取高雄方案進入到屏東院長 我們原本是宣布說2039高鐵到屏東那是不是可以明年我們在相關包含六塊錯車站的動工土地證書部分能加快進行跟委員報告 六塊錯的車站我們會先來進行因為它除了高鐵的車站之外也牽涉到台鐵高架化的車站所以六塊錯的車站我們會優先來進行 |
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那我想這個濱南快速道路也是我們恆春半島鄉親的痛啊尤其這個寶頂 你的外婆現在也在訪寮這個連續假期齁 都踏車踏腳齁真的天昏地暗啦齁真的能不能加快時程因為我知道我們這個公路局也很認真在做規劃但是因為環評的部分這我要特別拜託彭部長 |
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環境的部分一定要加快進行我們同步來做規劃尤其最容易塞車的從風港到水里這段一定要優先動工才能夠紓解這個交通困境這部長有沒有信心是跟委員報告我們希望看可不可以我們就分段來進行現在正在中規當中那比較交通熱點的部分也就是比較容易塞車的部分我們希望能夠拆開來能夠另外來進行希望能夠加速 |
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那另外我們這個恆春半島的觀光我們有個很重的一個交通建設就是恆春觀光鐵道我想這個也是我們期待能夠重新讓恆春能夠風華在線的一個軌道建設那這個部分也要拜託部長能夠加快來進行好這個有在進行當中那部長請回院長我今天有帶來一個這個很可愛的院長知道這是什麼東西嗎綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠綠 |
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這個真的是我們現在我們農民的痛尤其現在是我們紅豆這個播種全部都要吃光光那我想我包含我在這個院裡面也好也在委員會我也多次拜託我們陳部長這個屏東我們農民很可憐風太激這個風太肆虐這個 |
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好不容易重建家園又開始遭到綠裂溪的攻擊那我去年我特別我印象很深刻我在委員會的時候有特別秀了一張照片院長這就是農民他們自立救濟在他的農田周邊他用網子用漁網圍起來捕捉到的綠裂溪 |
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那當然我知道部長我們今年我們有特別編列了一個預算啊鼓勵我們這個受訓的一個我們的一個專門的一個獵人來捕捉但是捉不勝捉他的繁殖力太強了啦部長這個我想今年已經抓了二十幾萬二十幾萬但是呢光是我們在地方一點鐘看一顆三十隻你覺得這數量有恐怖嗎 |
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我們有沒有機會如果說除了這個公務部門來增加這個捕獲的一個經費之外有沒有可能真的讓我們這個自立農民補助他們相關的一些資材能夠先解除這個濾液器的危害可不可以做這樣的事情 |
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我跟委員報告今年到目前為止大概將近18萬隻左右抓了18萬隻我們估計大概現在的族群大概是我們現在抓的兩倍到三倍事實上濾淚器已不可能完全移除了但是我們只能把它的密度降低那誠如剛才委員所說的它一隻母的濾淚器可以生20個到70個蛋所以它的繁殖倍率是非常強的如果再不 |
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抑制它的密度的時候那未來可能是一個大氾濫所以我們才會更強力的去爭取行政的預算來繼續執行那第二個部分就是在特別在屏東地區有一些農田的確是被濾滅器去啃食所以我們現在也研議就是說用什麼樣的防治類似我們在防猴子一樣就是有一些 |
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可以維持讓濾烈器不會進到田裡或是可以趁機會能夠捕捉的這些資材啦那這個資材的部分我們正在規劃看有什麼方式來提供給農民我想這個不難啦我們鄉親的希望啊一個晚上就可以產十幾隻了啦 |
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909.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這真的是一個最對他們來講是一個防治的一個目前為止找到一個比較好的方式這沒有多少錢應該是可以考慮來補助一下我們的農民經費的部分經驗度變成一筆經費好像不足農業部已經提出大概7000萬左右的第二預備金委員這麼的關心跟我們對農民的一些協助這個預備金我當然會同意而且盡快來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
911.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
921.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
館長我是建議我們花小錢啦不要到時候農民要邀給你餵農水那你吃辣辣辣那最後我想我要把這支濾劣細胞要送給我們院長跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
941.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
943.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好 謝謝徐富奎委員的質詢 |