| IVOD_ID |
163817 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163817 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-07T09:01:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-07T10:33:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:31:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7828e564de0d60cbad1cb321092b4dc6ac1daff01b5f928207588852168fcd1848780db23e8b7b075ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:01:53 - 10:33:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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這一次花福鄉馬灘溪夜色湖 |
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所發生的潰壩事件造成可能20個人以上的罹難全國國人都在關心這個不幸的事件我想今天我們要好好來檢討讓這樣的悲劇以後不可以再發生 |
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政府有足夠的時間做因應的準備但是我們的國家卻沒有專注在這裡造成這麼大的不幸的事件我想今天我要就教的部會很多首先先請農業部 人民會 經濟部 交通部 |
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衛福部 國防部 內政部第一位請袁明慧請上來上面的部會首長七位部長七位 七位部會首長請備詢第一位請袁明慧主委 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝我們先就剛才委員的要求的部分原民會先請嘛 對不對原民會交通部原民會交通部那哪一個原民會交通部衛福部衛福部這三位先請 |
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其他部位請一樣準備這次馬太安溪夜市湖潰壩事件發生之前請問原民會有什麼積極的防災準備相關的措施有哪些原民會有做了哪一些 |
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我們有跟這個就是有關原住民部落居住的地方我們特別請縣政府的原民處馬處長這裡是不是可以先跟部落的講就是說這個潰壩了之後在之前就趕快跟這個協助部落做策略原民會是請縣政府原民處跟部落先來商量如果潰壩的時候要怎麼來處理來 交通部 |
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是 報告委員在潰壩之前有什麼積極因應作為我們收到了有可能會溢流的狀況之後我們先早上先做封橋的動作 |
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我們早上先做封橋的動作也就是說確保這個如果有疫苗的狀況的時候就是9月23號早上做我們早上收到訊號大概中午左右就開始做封橋的動作早上收到訊號中午左右所以去封橋謝謝來 警衛服部 |
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跟委員報告那麼在這一次風災我們例行性的都會先做預防性撤離那麼聯絡這個衛生局就 |
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有一些列管的名冊那麼希望預先的撤離然後有擴大警戒範圍的時候會再提醒一次那同時呢那麼在這個收容安置的部分那麼也請準備好這個收容中心那麼對於這個需要預防性撤離的災民妥善安置所以就是原有的收容中心嘛原有的收容中心嘛謝謝三位部長接下來 |
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請經濟部 農業部 防部經濟部 農業部 國防部 |
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委員好請經濟部請教一下在葉政府潰壩之前經濟部有什麼因應作為 |
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因為經濟部有參加這個中央應變中心所以中央應變中心的指示我們經濟部都照常來辦主要就是已經把先前這個河道的清淤40萬噸那也把這個堤防加高了而且加固了這個堤防的覆土的加寬了然後頂快把玉部的這個缺口還有防線相關的機器已經把它佈建好 |
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所以撤離的部分有沒有什麼因應作為撤離的話不是我們經濟部所主管的範圍來 請國防部 |
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國防部的部分就是我們國防部本身會設這個災害應變中心在國防部裡面做一級開設那第二個就是我們立刻就進行了前置指揮所的一個設置然後由陸軍的副司令來擔任組長那二專區的指揮官來負責這個當地的這些應該要協助的工作那我們在之前預置兵力 |
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如果有進行強制性撤離的協助進行強制性撤離的必要的時候國軍就會投入來進行協助預支兵力我們一向就會預支兵力在颱風來的時候有沒有具體計畫我們預支的兵力就先由專案區本身來預支另外我們AAV管就是相關的海軍陸戰隊的AAV管也會派過去 |
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這個要地方提出需求我們就會進行協助有關撤離的部分農業部有什麼進行積極作為 |
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跟委員說明那個驗債服在7月26號我們就成立應變小組那成立應變小組以後我們分別針對霸體本身跟霸體以後可能會產生的這些影響我們召開了兩次的專家的會議然後兩次的跨部會的協商會議針對霸體的部分其實我們透過專家也分析了霸體可能移除的方式也做了評估然後針對 |
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後面霸體可能造成一些溢流造成潰堤的這些可能的災害也做了分析包括他在晴天溢流在好雨颱風或者是地震的時候他的災情的一個模擬 |
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那針對總統的部分我們也跟了地方政府特別是我們也針對可能潛在的光霧區地區裡面開了4次的講集跟座談我們也拜會了縣市政府希望說他們能夠盡快的擬定相關的這些撤離的措施那災後以後我們第一時間我們針對農業的天然災害我們啟動了所謂天然災害北齊在問你潰壩之前 |
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請你不要亂扯好不好所以潰壩之前你跟地方開了兩次會做監測就這樣我們有跟地方政府隨時讓我們的這些資訊讓地方政府知道我們請內政部部長備詢其他部長請回 |
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委員好請問部長回答一下在驗射壺潰壩之前內政部有什麼精進作為報告委員撤離的部分報告委員其實我們是跟華家沙台風一起成立災害應變中心指揮官是誰應變中心一級開設的時候是我本人來擔任指揮官有什麼撤離的因應作為有沒有 |
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報告委員在花家沙成立一級災害應變中心之後其實我們就有提示到包括氣象署或者是相關NCDR提到說這個馬太安溪的上游的艷澀湖可能會在這次的颱風呢達到溢流或者是潰壩的一個這個程度所以呢我們大概從9月21號開始呢至少就有3就10次以上做傳真通報那希望能夠跟花蓮縣政府一起來執行疏散撤離的 |
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9月20日以後實施通報待會我們再來研究怎麼通報好 謝謝請卓院長來 卓院長請備詢副委員 林委員 歐委員好 |
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剛剛有聆聽到您的內閣七個部會對於馬太西艷澀湖潰壩之前這裡的因應作為都已經在國會殿堂清楚說明請問您聽到了嗎聽到了沒有 聽到了 |
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听到了吗这就是他们的色色灵疏散的阴影的作为是吗 |
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我頭跟委員答覆的或許是重點的答覆但手上有一份詳細的資料是從事件開始開始偵測這個驗社府的情況之下我們做了無數多次的會議當中多是提醒要撤離多是要求要最高安全標準尤其在9月21、22、23委員你也記得9月23我曾邀請你到應援中心謝謝院長的最高標準安全撤離 |
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請問一下院長你知不知道你所管轄帶領的這個政府由土石流及大規模崩塌防災疏散避難作業規定你知道嗎政府有相關的規定都在因應所有的天災利兵你知道嗎我們在討論的時候看過這樣今天你知道嗎知道好 你知道好我們播放一下你在這裡施政總報告的時候的要求 |
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您到立法院來施政總報告 |
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說要救責本席在第一時間就響應你要救責就應該好好來救責我們就疏散救責的部分本席讓你知道一下貴院所訂定的疏散土石流基大規模崩塌防災疏散避難作業規定第3條 |
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原理疏散避難計畫疏散避難計畫包括避難訴求的選定還有疏散的路線由農業部 人民會 國防部經濟部 交通部 衛福部 內政部 |
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佛島地方政府選定疏散路線避難收容處所你們的避難計畫書在哪裡這七個部會什麼時候跟地方政府討論過要避難要疏散路線收容處所8600人疏散避難計畫在哪裡 |
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院長請回答8月12號已經有過一次規模比較小的疏散的動作了那是因應洋流颱風之後所以你到現在為止8月19號都要求到現在為止都還沒有搞清楚本席請教你8600人的疏散避難計畫在哪裡8月19號一個部會是不是有討論過就要求地方提出疏散計畫 |
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我先問你這七個部會跟地方政府什麼時候討論過8600人的疏散避難計畫什麼時候地方政府已經在跟總統的視訊會議當中由副縣長說他已經完成疏散沒有嗎疏散避難計畫你能避難疏散的路線避難計畫都沒有我就跟委員報告了你從來沒有做過這個計畫 |
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然後叫地方政府去做8月19號之後就要求地方提出8月12號之後就要求地方政府提出疏散計畫8月12號 13號8月12號 13號虧你還有點講出來8月12號 13號 好 |
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八月十二號十三號九月二十二號副縣長跟總統的視訊他已經說他完成疏散人數也都支對啊那個是相公所報上來的這是基本常識所以沒有疏散嗎請問地方疏散執行單位是哪個單位知不知道地方政府要負責疏散計畫知不知道地方政府到今天你還不知道 |
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委員 我們追究責任不是在撇清責任好不好我們共同追究是誰的責任我請問你嘛 災害防救法災害防救法寫得很清楚是哪個單位負責執行水災危險顯示地區疏散撤離標準作業程序你搞清楚了嗎 |
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蘇贊計畫都是地方政府要負責擬定的中央要求地方政府輔導地方政府提出蘇贊計畫這個意思就是地方要提出蘇贊計畫這個沒有錯啊 |
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你的七個部會從來沒有跟地方政府討論絕對有 絕對有 他們叫蘇財計畫我跟他講 通通都沒有四次的跟地方政府 也有跟當地做宣導農業部叫地方怎麼做農業部叫地方怎麼做 |
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如果今天院長都還沒有看過這份資料是很可恥的事情9月17號 農業部知道這裡多少人 部長回答45個人 9月17號45個人8月10號多少人8月10號這裡多少人 |
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如果嚴格的講 我們是劃定你們的計畫是多少人數是地方政府統計的我們是劃疏散避離的區域以後他們去考點8月12號的計畫已劃出來的區域是測出多少人不會回答8月12號 院長口口聲聲8月12號8月12號農委會劃出來的部會農業部劃出來要設立多少人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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一百八十五六百個人那個時候是為了洋流颱風一百八十五六百個人那你們院長一直在扯八月十二號那時候沒有畫家叫颱風來委員你這樣得勾到太多啦八月十二號沒有洋流颱風沒有畫家叫颱風颱風來的時候當然提高標準啊這有什麼錯剛剛卓院長講九月二十二號九月二十二號你講得很大聲九月二十二號要撤離 |
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1144.69 |
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1166.492 |
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你從六百人變成八千六百人之前所有的討論之前所有的討論都是六百人的撤離計畫請問一下八千六百人是什麼時候通知地方政府 什麼時候通知八千六百人什麼時候通知 |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1190.615 |
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21號6點應變中心開完會以後以正式公文給地方政府這是在應變中心裡面我所了解的9月21號晚上6點發黃色警戒叫做勸離紅色警戒什麼時候開始我跟委員報告那是兩件事情應變中心成立以後是用應變中心的指令為準 |
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1195.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1205.252 |
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你現在推到內政部在一邊中心好 內政部什麼時候發紅色警戒我們在第六報的時候有紅色警戒紅色警戒什麼時候第七報 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1212.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1238.817 |
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什麼時間在九月二十二號下午六點鐘的中央災害應變中心公布這個會議之後也有跟花園縣政府的副縣長還有縣政府的團隊一起開會紅色警戒是九月二十二號上午七點九月二十二號上午七點發了紅色警戒 |
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1240.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1263.088 |
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9月21號還是黃色警戒勸離強制撤離是9月22號上午7點我們再聽就是這張第9號9月22上午7點我們聽一下我們聽一下劉慈芳指揮官告訴地方怎麼防災 |
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1270.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1287.835 |
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我覺得禁空是一種方式隨時避難是一種方式然後撤離到別的地方是最難的方式如果在原地撤離就是像我們剛剛所說他就頂多下面有個自己家門口有一些水淹過了然後過了就算了到時候再來清理家園 |
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1312.806 |
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那個光復鄉雖然看起來需要撤離的人數很多但是最多的大同村大馬村大華村這個已經超過四五百戶的幾乎都是最靠近京華地區然後也可能他們都是兩層樓以上的建築所以如果我們就垂直避難的話就躲到二樓就可以了請問一下 |
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劉世芳指揮官就是家門口淹一些水隨時避難就可以報告委員我們並不是這樣的意思請問9月22號你們決定要測8600人請問你們要測8600人這七個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1357.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
跟花蓮地方政府的撤離計畫書標準作業程序在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1360.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1385.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
在哪裡報告委員中央災害應變中心成立之後包括馬太安溪的所有狀況我們都有跟花蓮縣政府保持保持密切的溝通跟聯繫要不要撤離的計畫從副縣長開始到縣政府各個團隊的成員都非常的清楚因為華家沙颱風所帶來在山上的雨量無法由我們現在來做預測 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1388.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1416.623 |
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本席沒有請他回答本席只問他你的疏散路線8600萬的疏散路線避難收容所選定的七個部會跟地方政府討論的計畫書在哪裡還不只這樣依本法依本法第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1418.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1445.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第三項第四款五個部會內政部 教育部 國防部衛福部 人民會要協助地方政府所有收容所的整備計畫整備計畫在哪裡8600人整備計畫在哪裡整備計畫在哪裡你忙著大罷免忙著造謠 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1447.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1469.143 |
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陳俊基也忙著大罷免 忙著造謠你不要隨便講喔你什麼 什麼叫沒有隨便講我什麼時候忙了大罷免啊你跟我講 我什麼時候忙了大罷免什麼叫沒有忙大罷免什麼丹納斯颱風 什麼預算怎麼樣基金預算根本就沒有刪讀基金預算到今天都沒有刪讀你在講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1470.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1478.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
你剛才說 我在忙著大罷免兩位回去 劉院長先來委員 部長先請回 繼續質詢劉世旺部長請回劉院長備詢 劉部長也先請回所有這麼大的一個災難 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1502.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1531.494 |
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您到花蓮第一天9月24號我們看一下9月24號院長說了什麼再來我們要求8月12號這個楊柳颱風的時候已經做了第一次的撤離要求做好全部的撤離計畫所以昨天我們要求依照這個撤離計畫能夠徹底的撤離這個工作現在顯然是看到是有瑕疵的為什麼在我們要求撤離的地方為什麼沒有執行撤離 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1532.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1561.412 |
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造成這樣的不幸但是現在不是追究責任我們是要把事情找出來這就是您在災情的第二天到花蓮講的話你連整個事情都還沒有搞清楚8600人的撤離計畫劉思芳指揮官所有的部長都沒有討論過地方政府也不知道 |
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1562.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1592.042 |
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你連撤離的執行機關是哪個機關都不曉得本席在這裡隆重的告訴你這裡素三標準作業跟在防救法撤離的單位是哪個單位你到今天還搞不清楚他是依照整個計畫全部做好以後他再來執行然後現在 |
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1593.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
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你說沒有撤離是誰的責任本席剛剛你講得很清楚另外要講8月12號本席就告訴你8月12號什麼事情當天院長當天經濟部農業部跟花蓮縣政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1623.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1648.965 |
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光復相公所開會 您知道嗎開會內容是什麼 您知道嗎來 我們來放一下我們先看8月11號的會議決議會議決議夜色湖水量從200多萬立方到6000萬立方 2000多萬到6000萬立方 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1652.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1670.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
加上颱風的雨壓一旦潰壩金銅土石流爆發後果不堪設想西邊缺口沙包強度一定要夠做了沒有 議長做了沒有 |
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1671.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1699.885 |
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你今天要在這裡我們要談的是當天的狀況請問做了沒有嗎我們當然做了一些要求地方政府能夠配合的事情撤離計畫 撤離的實施當然就是地方政府經濟部管的經濟部管的提防如果沒有做的話叫地方政府如果沒有做的話這樣的院長沒有做的話9月22號早上8點馬太熙的提防什麼時候歸地方政府來管如果沒有做的話9月22號早上8點光復鄉 |
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1701.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1725.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
民政課的邱先生為什麼會說下午一點開始撤離 入院前可以撤離完畢現在在問您的是為什麼開口題的補償經濟部為什麼沒有做到開口題是讓內水要出去的上游下來的水進來要內水要出去的平常就有這個開口題我們看9月17號 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1729.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1743.733 |
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農業部的報告 您提醒經濟部提醒經濟部看清楚這是政府的報告 農業部的報告就你告訴你會從這兩個開口題進來報告委員光復題開口光復題房開口題會議員會從這裡進來 |
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1754.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1779.924 |
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結果就是從這裡進來 委員 你有去到堤防看過嗎我當然去看過 開口堤是好的啊開口堤是好的 因為就從這裡進來啊開口堤本身它也是堤 它本來就開口堤就是從這裡進來旁邊就是佛祖街 委員當時的情況 開口堤它的設計是100年可以防洪的標準部長 這個是農業部要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1807.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
農業部提出9月17號的報告告訴你 會從這兩個地方進來連箭頭都幫你畫好了 這是原圖水流哪裡來 從哪裡進去 清清楚楚議長請回不是從這兩個地方 很多的地方都淹不要在這裡狡辯 請回農業部已經提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1808.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1836.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
地方政府8月11號的會議記錄寫得清清楚楚然後 委員我要替部長說句話你在這裡只想聽你喜歡聽的答案啊你這裡只想聽你喜歡聽的答案這對部長的答覆並不尊重本席只問他加固加高能夠像災情發生以後哇 這不得了昨天賴總統 前天賴總統去 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1839.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1860.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
阿泰西堤防2860公尺經濟部短期在10月10號完成低到5米的防線10月11號前完成堤防表面強化強固固化防水作業請問8月11號會議決議後為什麼不做 |
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1863.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1889.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那已經發生以後才做那個是破壞了2860公尺的地方你不要指鹿尾馬混為一談那跟開口題不一樣農業部已經告訴你從這裡進來箭頭都農業部畫的你還在這裡狡辯好本席再來請教8月12、11號的協議經濟部不做本席再來請教很感動賴總統來什麼都回復正常這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1895.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1920.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
驗舍服警戒發布前進協調所提出的報告提出的報告驗舍服警戒發布避難他的情境是通報單加CBS加海嘯警報海嘯警報 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1925.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1953.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
8月11號8月11號農業部經濟部花蓮 本席沒有請你上來本席沒有請你上來8月11號花蓮縣政府關乎相公所跟農業部跟經濟部的討論過程就已經拜託他一定要發海嘯警報 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1955.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1964.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
請問9月23號發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了嗎發了 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1983.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2002.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
紅色警戒紅色警戒喔行政院的映座是什麼映座是什麼 映座是什麼如果沒有要求撤離為什麼各鄉的鄉民政所都會來提報說他們撤離的時間有的是中午有的是午夜讓你來看9月22號 9月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2008.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2015.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
農業部你應該請徐縣長一一的問你們所有的鄉財隊不應該在這裡問部長也不應該把鄉 災民對你的氣發在部長的身上農業部農業部的資料9月22號還把範圍縮小9月21號下午3點以前這份資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2036.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2046.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
潰壩洪峰95分鐘改為120分鐘從動千259戶改成180戶 院長洪峰120分鐘馬嘆西橋從潰壩到馬嘆西橋斷掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2072.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2091.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
早上進去中午的時候大概一個鐘頭多左右吧從潰壩到馬灘溪橋被洪峰下午的時間前後不到40分鐘這個是寫120分鐘院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2097.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2126.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
中央完全把這些事情清呼既沒有開書站避難計畫會議擬定計畫書還有收容所的整備計畫通通沒有一個光復箱垂直避難門口留點水而已從9月22號上午7點紅色警戒 |
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2128.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2150.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
關乎鄉公所他是撤離組織機關他要如何去撤8600人在聽到只是門口淹水只是門口淹水院長這個就是人禍這個就是人禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2152.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2174.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
到今天為止你連撤離主責機關貴為宰相隔奎到今天都還不清楚所有中央部會所有中央部會跟地方的協調剛剛我也聽說了中央部會是輔導地方政府完成撤離計畫地方政府沒有完成撤離計畫也沒有實施9月輔導地方政府9月21號 |
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2180.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
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光復箱1744戶 萬榮箱8戶 鳳林箱48戶就寫在這上面了 這9月21號就告訴你我跟委員報告 9月17號我們開始成立跨部委計畫的時候本席沒有請你回答 請你不要再鬧髒院長 本席問的問題這麼簡單 |
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這麼簡單 我們答覆得也很清楚啊你的撤離計畫在哪你從600人變成8600人大規模變動你們應該台大已經提醒了中央災害應變中心 台大團隊已經告訴你範圍擴大你們有沒有緊急相關部會 |
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趕快到地方選定避難路線 |
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選定收容位置選定整個收容所整個內部的整備委員 委員你撤離計畫地方政府要擬定中央有辦法去到每個鄉去指揮所有人的撤離嗎而且9月21號的下午就要求光復鄉1744戶這個資料委員都不看就喜歡聽委員想聽的答案這種質詢怎麼會導致問題真相好 本席再來 |
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那為什麼有一個村的村長說他完全撤離呢是撤離不撤的問題所以到今天你都還沒有搞懂那個村就是8月12號三個村他其中一個村他已經演練過其他的七個村都沒有演練過跟委員跟委員報告你講一個重點要演練地方政府沒有演根據我們也都要來輔導是哪些村我們演練也跟縣政府討論我們跟縣政府討論請回 |
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你現在請教院長 案發到現在也夠久了他應該能夠掌握狀況 不用你到旁邊來 請回我可以請部長在我旁邊等待回答 請回來 部長先請回你可以請民進黨委員讓你來講好 院長 仁熙再請教馬太安西上游 中游是哪一個部會管的 |
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上面是零保署再來是水保署 再來是水利署所以上游中游是哪一個部會管哪一位上游中游是哪一個部會管上游是零保啊上游中游是農業部管對啊 零保署 水保署跟水利署下游是哪一個部會管你說那個基準點以下那是水利署是哪一個單位是經濟部管的 是不是是啊 |
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上游是農業部 中游農業部 下游經濟部請問馬來西亞的堤防是誰管的開口堤 堤防是誰管的經濟部 經濟部 謝謝堰舍湖是誰管的 農業部從堰舍湖到上中下游堤防通通是中央管撤離是地方政府要做的本期撤離的問題已經跟你討論過了 |
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未來 你不要想用司法來自我感覺良好 自我來包庇這個案子 會永續的追究本席現在告訴我們現在就叫院長上中下游堤防 河川上中下游中央管河川堤防中央管 晏舍湖中央管 |
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撤離的部分本教本席就教完現在來就來撤離是地方政府要執行請教撤離是地方政府要執行請教救災的部分救災上中下游都是行政院管理縣政府行政院管理堤防行政院管理撤離是地方政府要執行600萬方的土石進到光復埋沒了光復加上水流 |
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這個全部都是中央管的就是沒有做好管理 驗身符沒有好好處理今天這麼多的一流的土石 砂石水進到光復市區埋沒了這個地方誰應該主責來救災 |
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委員講的都對 上游下游 中央部會有管誰應該主責救災該撤離不撤離 該清除不清除誰應該主責救災難怪這幾天 全國的人民跟當地的災民都覺得地方政府不存在了你怎麼還在 你把自己當網軍側翼這樣對 現在問你不是網軍 面對你的人也是這樣講的啊主責機關應該是誰全部中央管的一流進來 |
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所以撤離要地方政府來撤離救災 全國人民所有的相關單位 都要投入救災所有的部位不要再敲桌子了 我已經說了我到現場你沒有看到嗎 協調所在現場你沒有看到嗎 |
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政府沒有做到嗎是地方政府不負責任我們在搶救生命只有你在搶救政治生命非常不值得再請教一次 |
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主席他不回答問題有這樣的行政院長本席請教你救災上中下游通通你管的現在藝術這麼多到光復市區你說叫人命來救災全部政府沒有投入嗎國軍沒有投入嗎誰沒有投入嗎主責機關是誰本席請教你這麼簡單的問題都不敢回答你剛剛叫的部會都在救災啊主責機關是誰 |
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我們現在前進協調所在主責救災啊我們現在經濟部到政委都提升在主責救災謝謝你 終於院長講了一句實話很感謝中央應該主責救災我們是因為地方政府效力太慢所以全部投入我們看一下那你會不會覺得羞愧請問一下莫納克風災 |
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莫拉克風災請問一下莫拉克風災是誰主責救災是誰是誰從莫拉克風災到現在我們強化了多少中央救災中央應變中心如何強化莫拉克風災誰主責救災救災當然是政府要全力救災中央地方要合作才能救災 |
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主責只有一個單位啦其他是由他來指揮啦主責單位是誰莫拉克風災誰主責就災如果颱風來主責單位就應該是經濟部經濟部經濟部是不是行政院所屬單位那是中央應變中心現在經濟部因為颱風來經濟部不是中央內政部就會隸屬中央部會如果是颱風來就會是內政部水災就會是經濟部 |
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所以都是行政院相關部會主責嘛對不對中央應備中心也是這樣成立的好 美希讓你看一下莫拉克風災下午成立前進指揮所中央 |
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8月9號馬總統勘災8月9號廖遼乙內政部長擔任指揮官率各部會進駐14天協調地方政府各政府以及機關投入軍方動員50萬人治救災20天後通過了莫拉克風災重建條例院長 本席對您啊 |
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連回答的勇氣都要本席再三詢問9月23號上午我已經邀請委員到中央應變中心了您才能告訴全國國人原來主責是中央部會 |
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我們從來沒有說颱風、水災是內政部、經濟部委員9月22號我邀請你到中央應變中心你應該了解事情你完全在避重就輕那之後我們就有多少的經濟中央應變中心裡面的組織9月24號我們前進協調所沒有成立嗎 |
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內政部長什麼時候到在區去他坐鎮中央指揮中心我們第一天9月24號就成立了前進協調所你一定要看到人那我也去啦本席現在隆重的你為什麼不講我也去了為什麼不說總統也去了內政部長第七天才去 |
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好 第七天那個 劉部長 謝謝你齁本席只是跟他確認你第幾天去就好謝謝 我是跟您補充報告那個是華家塞的中央一遍中心 本席問的問題沒有這麼複雜好 請回 好不好 謝謝來 部長請回 請委員不要誤會第七天齁 反正只是門口一遍門口淹一點水而已嘛門口淹一點水看看過去馬政府怎麼做看看你今天怎麼做 |
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你看看高雄怎麼做花蓮怎麼做高雄的撤離每次每個人數都很精準是中央負責救災本席在這裡非常的難過非常的難過我們竟然有這樣的院長你在難過什麼而且最難過的是難過你無能 |
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你不是難過 你不是難過蔡英明的生命你是難過你的政治生命啦 難過什麼今天一位志工 一位零星的志工為了去協助救災感染了 因為有傷口感染 不幸過世 |
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現在中華民國是沒有中央政府嗎有 沒有地方政府 沒有花蓮縣政府就在這麼大的事情剛剛已經講過了是要由中央來主責一個這樣的一個行政院長 |
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本來就是中央主責這麼大的預防性撤離地方政府要來執行這麼大的災難本來是在問你救災現在是在救災是誰主責現在全國都在救災你還在現在全國都在救災中央政府沒有在救災嗎本幫竟然講這麼可恥的說法由全國人民來救災 |
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第一時間行政院就應該要把災區中央統籌軍人進駐專業的工兵去做所有的救災的工作9月24號前進指揮所沒有嗎你前進指揮所 |
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有把整個災區負責了嗎他有經濟部有環保環境部有園民會有花房部四位成立了前進協調所您都見過在現場你對他們也很客氣來到這裡你就變成這個樣子這個就是我們的行政院長這麼大的災難對你自己的救災真的 原形畢露是啊你在這裡就是這樣啊 |
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再一次告訴你中央是主責單位 謝謝你已經回答早就應該比照莫拉克動員相關的軍警把整個區域做整個規劃這些產生英雄地方政府做什麼事 |
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感謝他 地方政府做什麼事我們非常感謝他到這裡來他們沒有任何的專業但是有這份心台灣最美麗的風景是人這些善良的百姓一起來救災一起來救災發生這樣的不幸的事件本席再提醒你亡羊補牢 |
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現在正在清溝請問清溝有多少公里你知道嗎清溝的事情委員昨天前天在花林講過了也答覆過你了本席只請教多少公里您不曉得沒有關係問縣長才會曉得問院長不會曉得花林有多少地下水溝本席也不會苛責你問縣長看知不知道清溝有30公里 |
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主責單位是行政院我們已經確認了這一個我們已經understanding確認主責單位是行政院現在清溝有30公里清溝是多麼危險的工作在溝裡面有多少種細菌讓這一些產值超人 |
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他們是台灣的善心 台灣的愛心你卻可以不用專業來做相關的勤工這麼危險的工作裡面還深達三名院長 你的同理心院長早就應該要由行政院來接管 |
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你是說委員是說中央政府要接管花蓮縣政府嗎接管災區接管花蓮縣政府嗎本席已經告訴你這一頁都沒有跳一直都在這裡過去莫拉克風災所以委員是不是正式提出要中央政府來接管你還是用這麼不理性的惡劣的態度在回答本席一再告訴你過去人家怎麼做我們再看看那個 |
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賴總統怎麼講的我來看一下賴總統怎麼講的賴總統怎麼講的他到花蓮災區看到那個影片沒有關係賴總統到花蓮 |
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說教師節連假來了11萬人 11萬人有11萬台灣的愛心跟良心三天進到這個地方 最後是一個災區 |
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剛剛已經就教完主責單位是行政院好那這11萬多個這些志工餐食中餐就三天有11萬多要由誰來負責因為有人要送進去送不進去啊誰來負責一組團要送進去就被阻擋了11萬人要誰來負責 |
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我們也成立了志工的聯絡站登記站我對志工的照顧從第二天就開始講希望能夠照顧他們的飲用水便當交通跟住宿所以你還在狀況外總統來他的報告寫得很清楚這些志工來實際志工安排的狀況志工 |
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光十月五號這是行政院的報告十月五號進出站的人數一萬五千人分流志工兩千六百人完全沒有辦法掌握一萬五千人只有兩千六百人由政府來安排其他 |
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比較自由自在想做什麼做什麼有些是民間團體的志工委員你都在現場為什麼要這樣為什麼要扭曲現場的狀況呢有些是民間團體受理志工這是你的報告我正在念你的報告你應該了解現場的狀況有些民間的團體在那邊受理志工的登記大家都有成群結隊的給總統的席任的報告你都還在扭曲他本身沒有關係 |
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這就是你的水平一萬多份餐食要誰來負責主責單位 你已經說是行政院然後再講地方要來負責這些餐食那行政院到底主責了什麼 |
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我們把事情理清楚行政院從第二天就組成了前進協調所前進協調所受中央應變指揮中心的指揮到前進協調所去協助地方政府這個委員都搞不清楚 李希再請教一下李希再請教一下鋪天蓋地的謠言鋪天蓋地的謠言 |
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在救災的過程當中鋪天蓋地的謠言請教這個卓院長您對於這個民進黨立法院黨團幾位委員所有攻擊殺傷力的消息要發布搭配你的秘書長張秘書長 |
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這個事情被正式公開披露以後全民嘩然在救災的時間民進黨在眼裡要怎麼攻擊地方政府準備要打手院長你的回答本席非常的疑惑你的回答叫做要有什麼 |
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要有預防性的什麼要有預防性的這個自我防衛我沒有這樣講過沒有講過要自我防衛沒有什麼預防性的自我防衛你沒有說過我說那個那段講話他有什麼前提我不知道卓榮泰院長自由時報等等 |
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郭文貴院長自我防衛前提下的應對方式我說那一段講話有什麼前提我不知道也許出於他自我防衛的講法但是我覺得這並不是適當的講法對啊我都這樣講過我沒有說什麼預防性的自我防衛你把全國人民當敵人嗎我沒有說過預防性的自我防衛喔我說那一段話有什麼前提我不知道他也許有什麼自我防衛的用語這個是 |
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24號第一時間災情發生第一時間結果院長你說自我防衛前提下的應對方式24號我不是在花蓮跟您在一起嗎所以院長事後自由時報你覺得自由時報是亂寫就對了是吧 |
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所以那一段講話有什麼前提不知道那可能出一個自我防衛的說法謝謝你自由時報嚴重扭曲金正恩院長的意思表達是委員扭曲我的講法其實照報章圖給你聽的我沒有講預防性的自我防衛那請教一下在救災過程鋪天蓋地的謠言鋪天蓋地的謠言一再造謠 |
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請問台灣有沒有災害防救法你說哪樣造謠 你要去把它指出來啊本席問你有沒有災害防救法造謠跟災害防救法有什麼關係本席問你有沒有災害防救法 有沒有國家當然有這個法律啊對於在災害發生的時候有來造謠的部分 |
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知道嗎災害防救法寫得很清楚處三年以下三年以下有期徒刑病科罰金一百萬元災害防救法五十三條第三項請問 |
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行政院到現在查辦了幾件有不實消息的傳播我們都要查辦請問你查辦了幾件嘛委員講的哪一件是不實謠言請委員來檢舉啊難道政府一定要等民間來檢舉我們當然司法機關檢調單位會主動發現不法組織單位這個部分 |
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也是內政部你也是不聞不問好既然不聞不問也不知道本席就來請教一下在第一個說這個驗社服沒有通知別再造謠通報單在這裡 |
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有第九次通報他秀出的是9月22號上午7點說九次通報花蓮縣政府結果9月22號這一次是第九次 前面的六次前面的六次都是在八月份第七次是白色 |
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狀況第八次是黃色警戒只有第九次是紅色警戒有效通報三次第七次你回去看看這個應變中心有相關的事情 |
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9月22號早上8點 光復鄉也是回復撤離人數較多 需入夜前才能完成光復鄉這麼回復啊如果沒有計畫 沒有要求 光復鄉為什麼要做這樣的回復鄉公所回復嘛鄉公所回復因為很多人垂直避難嘛再過來第九再過來 下一個造謠花蓮縣政府不惜擋下一組團食材也要發包熱海排骨便當 |
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熱海排骨便當 花蓮縣政府發包事實是花蓮縣城隍廟聯絡全國的城隍廟買了熱海便當來發的他們已經提告了然後政府就放任這樣的謠言繼續的傳播再過來 再來 |
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幾百台獨輪車放在糖廠倉庫花蓮縣政府啊真的會被花蓮縣政府氣死說花蓮縣政府把獨輪車藏在糖廠不給大家用事實的真相是行政院東辦的倉庫不是縣政府的倉庫再講一次是行政院東辦管理的倉庫 |
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那個倉庫我有去過啊管理的秩序當天都已經在多數的發放物資也不斷的進來啊我也去過那個倉庫啊本席在告訴你謠言跟事實說產值超人忙著救災富坤崎夫妻跟花蓮縣政府也沒閒著忙著做貼紙把高壓水槍貼上花蓮縣政府 |
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這是人家捐的東西憑什麼變成他們的事實高壓水槍是花蓮縣政府採購的要給所有需要用的人民這些花蓮縣政府依法都會提告 |
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但是一個災區放任所有的謠言而主責單位行政院置之不理這不是台灣之詞這是世界之詞這麼大的災難放任這些側翼網軍在那裡造謠本期在這裡我想今天 |
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這個救災的部分也問得差不多也確認了 組織機關就是行政院接下來本席請問 業設5號 |
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主責單位是行政院他可以指揮策理的執行是地方政府策理的部分而且相公所都已經回報有時間有人數今天已經就教院長完畢但是你久久不能夢回本席還要再強調一下相公所都回應了有時間有人數什麼時候策定清楚清楚相公所怎麼報給你相公所怎麼報給你那是因為你的部長說 |
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你的部長說門口淹一點水你可以垂直撤離所以沒有辦法像8月12號這樣撤離第二你們所有的600人變成8600人的撤離計畫七個部會的撤離計畫動線收容地方都沒有五個部會收容所的整備通通沒有規劃撤離計畫地方政府要擬定再一次跟委員說明撤離計畫地方政府要擬定要一起開會來擬定 |
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從來沒有開過會再來本席現在請你正是現在驗射壺還在還在他已經從一個深的驗射壺變成一個淺疊型的驗射壺現在我們持續觀測他的水位今天有命對不起今天有命不是 |
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燕射湖如果下大雨的話他當然水位現在在溢出來所以我們計次觀測他的水位同時我們剛剛委員說了我們三道的堤防把它加強起來從兩個禮拜到年底到明年的4月汛期前三道築成築成三道牆的一個防線再把它築成起來我們看一下921草嶺燕射湖921草嶺燕射湖30天完成處置 |
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30天完成處置從7月26號這個驗射服的應變指揮中心成立到現在所有的部會都在忙大罷免都在忙著政治操作委員不要再污蔑了我們說過驗射服的罷體相當長骨質相當鬆軟人沒有辦法過去 車子沒辦法過去 |
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當時不到一千萬立方甚至只有幾百萬立方當時我們也推估10月底他會自然的溢出一直到9月23號你以為以為會自然溢出我們說10月底當時7月的時候推估10月底會毅然溢出當中颱風又來華佳沙颱風來的時候我也請委員到應變中心去看你也了解狀況你當天都很清楚你現在完全不照當天的話講 |
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本席現在要再次跟你強調丹納斯風災把嘉義台南這麼多的百姓鄉親的住處屋頂掀掉風很大後來有一些長江他們的災情非常的非常的 |
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需要協助所以成立所以我們訂定了丹納斯颱風的重建條例現在本席要讓你了解這一次這一次這個晏舍湖潰壩的事件造成的傷害是跟上一次的災情是不一樣的不一樣的原因是佛祖街最高的地方他的土 |
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土石流 流在那裡有3米高當時來的大水超過6米所以光復市區所有的幾乎所有的一樓只要插電的東西電器全部毀損汽車全部毀損人民損失 災情慘重重建的部分 |
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陳敬德政委也主動跟本席聯絡對於主要幾條排水系統要怎麼樣來處置能夠30公里怎麼樣能夠未來能夠長治久安 |
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我們謝謝陳進德政委他講的話 如果行政院不聽的話大概沒有辦法解決問題比較特別向院長強調法單部落法單部落跟相關的災民不斷強調希望留在光復鄉離災 |
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留在鄉裡面但是要離齋這個重建的工作希望中央政府組織單位能夠完善的處理我們了解89戶的災民他們希望離齋不離鄉但是我們如果再一次的評估確定 |
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是要跟他們好好做溝通這89戶甚至更多在佛祖街如果更多那麼要不要在這個地方做一個選擇或者未來的危險還是存在我們共同來努力這個事情準備所有的災後重建跟當地的居民沒錯要很務實的坐下來談要很務實的坐下來談所有的細節都要談清楚既然 |
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行政院主責所有災後重建我們可以讓您看一下當時莫拉克的重建他的召集人重建委員會的召集人都是行政院院長副召集人都是行政院的副院長才能夠有足夠的力量 |
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重建委員會執行起來完成所有重建的工作所以院長相信你是當然的重建委員會的召集人 是嗎 |
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我們如果要組重建委員會依照現在的災防法跟中央應變中心所有的法律我們會有一個組織性目前我們在災害發生時候成立協調所之後重建我們成立前進指揮所這個都是有利可見我覺得委員最重要的是未來要做什麼事情我覺得我們要成立一個東部國土的專案小組國土安全的專案小組東部國土專案小組這個才重要 |
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阿剩下對那些很多堆積的瘀泥我們要如何做去化再利用這個也要成立一個專案小組我們必須一個一個來阿本席不反對但是本席要特別強調的是沒有重建委會沒有專責單位會流於形式很重要的防災總署 |
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應該積極的推動 本席在這裡正式的向行政院提出行政院必須提出 事權統一的專責單位 |
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這個我已經請陳金德政委就現在雲嘉南前進指揮所的經驗如何用到花蓮 我們成立什麼樣的組織但我說的重要的是剛剛那兩點東部國土安全的專案小組以及淤泥去化循環再利用的專案小組這個才是更為重要這個一定會納入未來的大的企劃當中本席已經隆重表達要成立防災總署 |
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這個我請陳金德政委在 又有專責單位不是成立了一堆小組要有專責單位那我想尤其在部落的部我們請那個林建啟委員部落的事情 |
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院長還有各位同仁大家好我先接續一下我們副委員這邊所講的有關於這個部落我先直接提部落 我想我不知道你們有沒有掌握這個跟教育部 運動部還有園民會都有很重要的關係你們知不知道光復國中整個運動場 |
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還有整個球場全部都沒有了現在完全沒有辦法進行接下來本席其實要針對運動部這邊談一些相關的設施還有整個業務的推動但是在災後的部分學校的部分還有原住民的部分 |
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跟運動設施的這個部分我想是不是在重建未來是非常重要的一塊那現在在救災在針對救責的這個部分是大家所關注的可是從本席過去在高雄縣政府擔任文化局長期間所碰到的莫拉克風災重建的路到現在都還在走所以本席在這邊要先直接的提醒 |
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看不到的地方跟看不到未來還要再做的這一塊其實是非常重要的請大家不要在這個時候關注災區持續的要去注意災區在未來所發生的隱性的一些問題 |
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謝謝委員 我們會復起重建的工作重建一定是中央跟地方要合力來執行的我們才能夠有重建的工作可以順利的進行您剛提到學校我們盡量先讓他用是的 本席這邊先直接指出 |
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重複高中整個學校是沒有辦法上課的還有在花蓮的幾乎大部分的學校目前都面臨收災民還有很多物資在分配的一個狀況學生的上課其實目前以遠距教學的方式其實不是長久之計尤其是在園鄉園鄉這個部分在空間的這個部分是非常重要的 |
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主要就是要做這個心理跟安全上的一些這個本席其實在上次的記者會已經有先做了一些提醒本席現在來談一下這個運動部那個運動部在9月9號正式掛牌那至今呢將近一個月 |
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但是呢在他其實是帶著全民對整個體育的發展而寄予這個厚望那我們希望能夠我相信李部長您在先前的一個發表的言論裡面也談到希望能夠將長期困擾體育界的一些結構性的問題讓制度也比較透明資源的分配要公平但是近期呢在各界就有一些聲音我想您應該有聽到也就是在人事的這個部分有一個 |
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獨大的一個局面那本席這邊我想你應該是聽得懂的那過去的體育發展呢其實是國體大、台師大、北市大、台體大跟各界不同的學術與訓練系統都有共同參與那相互的來制衡讓資源能夠透過多元的觀點來並進那現在的決策呢人事佈局比較讓人家有一點懷疑是比較集中於一個單一體系 |
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會壓縮到其他學術單位與地方教練的一個發展空間那麼尤其是現在在各地的這個設施很多地方都沒有升級比如說尤其是東部尤其剛才行政院長你這邊所提到的東部如果再透過這次災害那未來在重建的過程當中我想這幾個部會都應該要積極的來參與尤其應該把 |
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重建的這個部分擺成優先在人事上也應該要做一些比較平衡的發展所以這個是我先提醒行政院還有教育部跟運動部的一點那另外那光復國中的事情還有在花蓮的各個學校我想教育部 |
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應該要趕快來處理那設施的部分我們也請運動部趕快就前置的部分來做一個整理那這個部分是不是可以得到兩位簡短的回應好嗎 |
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跟我們報告 事實上這個災後的第二天我們市長就到現場第三天 等於25號我們就可以安護山坡 安護國中跟瓜蓮縣教育處各500萬的救急搶險 |
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然後馬上我親自打電話給路基 路司令 張司令我已經馬上進出然後很多的現在跟委員報告我們現在在學校的部分基本上在教學場域大概都已經順利了順利了就說學生都可以回去了喔都可以回去了喔 |
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運動場域的那些空間因為確實衣紗太高它非短期之間我們先入學但是那個不好意思李部長你也知道我們運動員如果沒有訓練的話但是運動員體育班關於國中的體育班事實上我們也都聯絡了這個東華大學他們願意提 |
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這個本席在上個禮拜的記者會就有提到希望大學這邊能夠一起來協助拉台高中以下的這個學校但是還有一些一地訓練相關的資源分配還有整個支持的體系是不是可以請教育部運動部這邊特別專案來做一些處理好不好 |
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好的 那這個部分本席未來當然一定會盯著因為這是很清楚的個案那本席也知道許多的運動員沒辦法直接在這個狀況下被訓練比委員所想像的還好我想我們的署長全部進駐在那裡所有的進度全部都在掌控中 |
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好的 謝謝部長那李部長接下來本席要您這邊來做一個正面的回應所以剛才本席所談到的這個問題全面性的這個問題在體系平衡的這個原則下未來您在高階的人事專案的評審委員的領選跟選訓制度上我想這個您應該跟本席一樣非常有感如何來確保不同的體系不同的運動項目都會有代表 |
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然後大家現在所關注的補助招人為的這個干預的問題你未來可不可以讓這樣子的比例減少甚至到沒有我現在我們現在國體大剛委員您是跟委員您報告您是說我們國體大現在有太多人事嗎還是什麼本席說人事獨大啦本席沒有特別指涉什麼 |
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本席這邊跟您建議在這個部分您可以借助一些外力來建立一些外部的監督平台讓地方的教練還有基層的運動員有機會參與直接的政策討論然後來確保選訓決策不會被少數人壟斷我們這部分都已經在做了解然後我們會多聽一些 |
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不是只有了解而是要做到當然當然當然好 那本席這邊直接先指涉一個案子我們當初在選擇這些首長的時候就沒有考慮他是不是單一因為我們是希望他能夠來投入對運動的改革所以我們是拿他的長處取他的長處但是委員的顧慮我們不會讓他發聲一定為人事決策補助各項公平至少整個行政會會要求我們跟體育部運動部站在同樣的角度 |
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謝謝院長這邊的承諾院長在9月9號運動部成立的時候賴總統說過去體育署的預算大概只有145億那麼在運動部成立之後原本大家期待要到200億但是賴總統要給到245億 |
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那我們現在就這個經費在查查的時候發現裡面太多的東西都沒有計劃所以從145億到245億這樣一個空間本席這邊希望本席有的時候本席在辦公室跟你們要計劃有的時候是很難要到但是要讓這樣一個計劃能夠通過我們對人民是必須要負責的 |
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所以請運動部或者是過去體育署在教育部下面有的相關的計畫能夠趕快送來要不然這樣預算是很難過的所以本席這邊要指出本席這邊想到的8.7億是你們針對台灣品牌賽事的十大精選計畫請問一下部長這十大精選計畫你們的主軸是要做些什麼 |
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我們希望說可以讓更多人看到我們台灣比賽所以是我們要參加國外的這個經典品牌還是要台灣建構自己的經典品牌我們希望有更多的國際賽事可以辦在我們台灣那你們這樣子的一個經費如果國際賽事沒有經過幾年的醞釀你們覺得是來得了嗎辦得起來嗎我們正在做相關的規劃所以請趕快把計畫送進來要不然我們是沒有辦法來執行的 |
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來通過你們的預算因為這明顯的違反預算法的一個精神所以這個8.7億是完全空洞的是完全沒有東西我們只看到這個經費的編列但是卻沒有計劃然後本席這邊建議你應該把危機變成一個轉機 |
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現在花蓮花東地區的偏鄉本來資源就非常的匱乏然後在栽培的這個重建我們可以透過這樣子危機把重建當成是一個讓花東地區在未來更可以有資源更多的挹注 |
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讓偏鄉的運動員不會因此而流失讓運動部的成立真正成為全民體育的推動而不是只有拿獎牌的樣板跟委員報告這部分我們都有去了解然後我們也希望說他們在最近有比賽的參與我們會希望說能夠去幫助他們在訓練上還有場地上那未來的重建部分我們有去規劃了 |
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好OK那麼接下來我想我這邊很快就是剛剛這個副委員這個針對馬太安西顏色湖潰壩的事件的究責的部分我這邊要提醒坦白說我今天聽了整場那麼我認為其實到目前為止整個行政院 |
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都還在推卸責任到目前為止沒有看到有任何半個政府官員出來道歉負責不要說是法律責任了就連行政責任政治責任都沒有人沒有行政院及相關部會出來做承擔做說明我們看看在2000年發生巴掌溪事件的時候當時游錫堃副院長很負責任的下台了 |
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2009年發生八八風災的時候後來劉兆玄院長下台了現在2005年發生了這麼嚴重的光復鄉的洪災事件造成十幾位的民眾死亡多少人受傷多少家庭流離失所院長您現在還有臉站在這個台上嗎 |
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我必須要說 行政院從來不推卸責任你已經榮登中華民國史上最後言無恥的行政院院長到目前為止你不滿立法院的法律通過案七度提出復議失敗又想解散國會搞大罷免短短三個月內發生兩次大洪災造成多少的民眾傷亡和財務損失 |
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您還在這個位置上我真的沒有想到主委長您是這麼練戰官位行政院從來沒有推卸責任從今天早上到現在我們只有聽到 |
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我要說你根本沒有能力做行政院長之後的災後重建我根本也不期待你你很多的事情都沒有想清楚我要再次強調這次的洪災事件是從一開始的風險評估到後來整個的 |
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这个紧急的预防通报 撤离方案学校军事完全都没有告诉你在去年11月份的时候连新闻报纸上面都有讲 新闻媒体都有报道质询可以质疑 不可以媚于事实你完全媚于事实 媚于事实的讲法事实就在这里要求经济部的第九核分署要进行提防的抢救工程做到了吗 没有做到 |
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農業部部長還說平房的缺口並沒有壞掉如果委員手上沒有這份資料我會送請委員好好的看看如果委員沒有辦法看到這個資料我送請委員好好的看看我今天要講的說針對這起洪災事故現在行政院有預備要成立專案調查小組嗎檢調單位有沒有啟動調查要趕快收政啊 |
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這個未來都會構成什麼會可能涉及到刑法的廢植植物罪依據刑法310條130條的規定公務員廢植植物釀成災害是處三年以下十年的有期徒刑三年以上十年以下有期徒刑而且不要忘記了還有國家賠償責任我告訴這個院長還有這個在座的政府官員們 |
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國賠法第二條第三條都對於公務員待遇侵蝕職務然後造成人民的財產生命有缺失還有第三條公務設施管理有欠缺導致人民的身體人身自由財產受損害者國家要負損害賠償責任我在這裡要警告你們基本上你們未來的行事責任行政責任國賠責任是跑不掉的 |
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還有我要再講行政院不依法編列預算的問題非常非常嚴重從去年當時就已經不編原住民計法補償費用到現在也不編軍警費用軍警的自願役加給還有退休金提高的這些費用已經也不編一般性的地方性補助款 |
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你們是在搞什麼現在行政院是變成違憲違法的怪獸了嗎 |
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真的讓人覺得很不齒見行政院這樣的做法你們是帶頭不遵守法律如果說你們今天可以因為釋憲的理由就不去執行政府的預算不依法行政到以後老百姓都可以說我收到了罰單我現在提起行政訴訟所以我也拒絞罰單可以這樣嗎因為法院是開的行政訴訟法怎麼規定你知道嗎因為大法官被你們關起來了 |
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到底是被谁关起来是被赖清的总统他提了不适任的人我们是宁缺勿赖你认为找一个不适合的大法官每天在那边只好做出一些不符合人民期待违宪的宪法判断是你们修改的宪法诉讼法你修改的宪法诉讼法推你还是学法律的你完全没有依法行政概念本心对你非常非常的失望那么最后我要再问一个问题请问你的中学 |
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我的憲法一直半截那我告訴你那你根本就是沒讀書好然後呢最後周選會主委馬上等等六位委員11月3號就要屆滿你知道依法幾個月前要提新名單知道知道你提了嗎 |
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我們有在努力 嘗試做各種的努力所以你這又是在一個你違法行政的一個非常簡單非常重要的例子由此可見卓院長你真的要下台如果你還有一點點愛情的政治生命的話你現在此時此刻你就應該宣布你要下台我在互惠憲法在憲法之前我們都要共同努力請問院長 |
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花了這麼多錢買軍購6000多億的軍購進不來本席會再來救教但是我們支持軍人支持國防為什麼軍人加擠加薪立法院三讀通過總統府公告而您 |
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5400.65 |
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5428.252 |
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不實施 實質的問題我們在增加預算已經增加了59.5億你為什麼不實施嘛程序上的預算立法院大幅的要求行政院增加稅數我一再的要求說明過你要來徵詢行政院的意見指出資金的來源這個都沒有做到啊這麼辛苦的軍人要保衛國家這麼辛苦的警校要守護人民但是立法院深讀通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
5458.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
包括警消退休的待遇的穩定跟提升以及軍人必須保家衛國但是家裡要暗身利益軍人的待遇今年最佳預算59.5億今年的年度預算也增加了170幾億已經達到200多億了都沒有依法來編列我想院長你今天回答已經很清楚了你完全不理會國會也不能夠依法來執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
5460.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
5478.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
你是一個毀憲亂政的行政院長而且不珍惜軍人跟警囂立法院知道了好 謝謝我們時間到謝謝副委員 翁委員 林委員謝謝卓院長報告院會休息十分鐘 |