| IVOD_ID |
163814 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163814 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T16:53:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T17:09:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b8902cad7380c02a322d704543300bdabf02140c9b83876a6ff903e613f7b702dda25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:53:30 - 17:09:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓院長 |
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李文豪院長好 辛苦了今天我們是在討論經濟社會及民生國安任性的特別預算我們也希望說這次的報告完之後下個禮拜我們財政委員會就會把特別預算排進去排進去之後我們希望說在下個禮拜能夠順利出委員會如果一切順利的話最快有可能在10月17號我們立法院就會通過特別預算 |
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那我先想請教一下院長雖然早上大家也問過了那如果說真的能夠順利在10月17號之前我們就通過這個特別預算的話那我們行政院需要多少個工作天來完成這個普發一萬的這些行政作業程序呢 |
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今天莊部長答覆過很多次我們先期的準備作業已經開始了只要大院哪一天通過這個預算送請總統公告公告之後一個月內我們一定可以發放那我也希望財政部先前的準備工作能夠更周延快速的進行能夠提前多快我們就多快發放 |
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一個月其實也還蠻久的其實大家有這個期待當然10月連假也比較多是不是能夠在10月底或11月初就有這個機會發放這1萬塊的現金跟委員報告第一個就是剛剛院長說就是等我們的特別預算總統公布後我們一定會盡快的現在的相關的作業都已經在進行當中包含各種發放的一些方式 |
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它的一個系統的設置網站的規劃還有一些名冊的在核對都在積極的進行那所以等總統公布以後我們一定會盡快的來做發放的作業而且會加強的宣導告訴民眾他在各種方式裡面他所需要備的一些相關文件證件很簡單的證件或者是說還有發放的期間都要做很好的宣導所以這個部分都在進行 |
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現在有五種方式可以來領取對不對那你們的登記錄像是要設立一個網站對不對會 是要設計網站那這網站設計好了嗎都已經設計好而且目前也都在測試當中然後這個ATM領線郵局領線這個都準備好了 |
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ATM的部分比上次還增加了1,000多個機台總共會達到28,000多個機台而且有16家的銀行都加入了所以它的普局率達到84%郵局有1,294個支局都可以做現場臨櫃的領取 |
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直接入帳跟照冊的也都完成了嗎直接入帳的部分要跟名冊去相當去做比對譬如說他有勞工保險年金的結束這些程序都那個都要做程式也都設計完了那現在就是相關名冊要去做比對因為第一個我們不能遺漏 |
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第二個也不能重複領這是非常重要的那直接照冊的方式呢對 直接照冊的部分呢主要是針對所謂的幾個偏鄉的地區那這個準備好了嗎這個部分都在照冊對 都會做都準備好那如果按照財政部的準備其實總統公告之後應該馬上蠻快的就可以來發這1萬塊了那會儘快一定會儘快那院長11月初有機會嗎 |
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我完全看得出委員內心的要求我們會盡量朝這個方向來走因為我們準備好我們現在今年要多做的一個就是我們這個反詐騙的行為所以我等一下就要問說我們準備好了詐盤其實也準備好了對我們要成立一個詐欺打擊詐欺小組來全面的因應這個部分因為現在還沒有發就已經在網路上現在就是說我們網站還沒開始就已經有一些就已經有這個造假的網站已經開始了 |
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那我們就是宣傳其實我們在宣傳就是說我們一定會有GOV最後是GOV結尾的那我們也不會發簡訊我們也不會發email都不會嘛對不對是所以在我們在宣導的時候一定會加強的告訴民眾要去辨識當然我們還有一個 |
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打擊詐欺組這個專組然後由內政部次長當組長會去配合跟速發部一起都會合作不要說這個還沒有領到一萬民眾就先被騙走了好不好這正要注意謝謝莊部長那再請教一下卓院長這次花蓮光復鄉的不幸風災 |
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當然我們全力在做家園的重建也從產值超人看到我國全社會的防衛韌性很多的產值超人到光復上去剛開始當然有一點點大家都很熱血 |
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剛開始有點雜亂無章但是後來中央介入之後志工也能夠做引導讓我們這些熱情的志工能夠帶一顆心去然後把這個地方能夠重建家園但是我要提醒行政院就是說其實花蓮他們之前其實在四月份的時候就已經有做過這一個陳正任系列演習了 |
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他們今年4月的時候然後當時候縣長徐真偉他就說這次我們是跟中央協作然後希望藉由這次無腳本的推演提升全民防衛還有災難應變的韌性所以其實在今年4月的時候花蓮已經有演練過可是如果風災一來的時候你會發現說演練 |
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跟實際上的情況差距還是相當的大風災來的時候就現在結果花蓮縣政府剛開始的時候還是一團亂在演習的時候好像這個其實我們中央也有下去看也好像這個按部就班來做但是實際上 |
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真的發生這個危險、災難的時候就跟我們演習有一段差距其實我們賴總統也是相當的重視全社會韌性的防衛他自己也擔任全社會防衛韌性委員會的召集人他也特別提到說希望能夠藉由全社會韌性委員會強化我們的國防、民生、災防、民主這四大韌性 |
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這一次光復鄉的災害當然不幸但是我們也把它看成是一次社會任性的一個實戰的一個演練這個實戰的演練其實不是只有我們自己國人關心當然國際也在關心但是也不要忘了中共他們也在看 |
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如果我們在一場天災的過程當中我們沒辦法在很短的時間之內很有秩序的把災後的重建做完之後中國也會看你如果台灣遇到一次的風災或是接連的風災你沒有辦法在一個短時間裡面做好家園重建的話 |
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他也會看出我們這一個重建的一個韌性的一個破口這我要提醒的但是這個我要建議就是說因為我們現在中央有這個中央災害防救會報院長是召集人我們有設有中央災害的防救委員會 |
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副院長是召集人當然內政部長都有非常重要的角色但是現在的災害都是複合性的災害風災、水災、土石流然後地震可以衍生其他的土石流、水災等等都有現在的災害不是只有單一的都是一個複合性的災害現在按照我們中央災害防救委員會的分工風災、震災、地震是屬於內政部 |
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那水灾是属于经济部 |
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土石流是屬於農業部交通事故是屬於交通部我們各個部會都有看起來好像都有在負責但是從這次的馬太安西連社會就發現說那其實也是跨了好幾個部會這個當然也有學者專家之前就在建議的是不是要仿效美國建立這一個聯邦級級事務的管理署就是我們自己有一個防災的總署 |
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統合中央跟地方的權責保存傳承每一次災害應變的知識台灣才不會在每一次災害發生的時候都要從零開始那院長怎麼看 |
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謝謝委員我們也是從多年來的災害的經驗我們現在包括你剛說的中央防災的體系組織包括我們中央災害應變中心目前的整個組織都有一致在精進那這一次大量的土石流這樣流下來 淹涉湖倒是過去真的比較少見這麼大量我們之前在做演練的時候甚至是假設是海嘯那時候我們想說台灣會有海嘯但是我們也把各種情境都納進來了 |
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那因為這個樣子 我覺得我們看到這一次的狀況我們可以檢討我們的疏失但是我們不能暴露我們的缺點這個缺點要馬上及時的改正回來我請內政部 經濟部還有我們其他的相關的各單位馬上來研究這整個災害的防救的過程當中我們是不是還缺少哪一塊或是要加強哪一塊如果能夠成立一個更有效的專責機構有效率的組成的話我想也是人民對政府的期待我們做這樣的努力 |
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就是說我們有一個中央的災害防救的匯報您是擔任召集人但是我剛才講過了現在是複合性的災害會牽扯到各個部會如果有一個專責性的不管它是叫署還是叫什麼專責單位來負責來統籌不論是院長副院長來統籌整個救災的機制的話 |
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院長會不會認為說至少在下次面對這種事情的時候能夠更有效的統合各個部會我們現在匯報或是我們的災防辦他都沒有實際上可以去執行的量度所以畢竟都在各部會台風來的時候還有淹水的時候 |
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而且這個土石流的時候我們會有不同的單位來做不同的組織那我認為未來這個復型災害這樣的頻繁我們應該成立我們應該想像有一個可以專責的統合的單位來做處理那現在部會跟災防辦我個人認為不夠我會跟部會來做好好的考量未來怎麼樣盡快的我說我們要檢討但是不會把我們的缺點暴露出來 |
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我是覺得說每一次都把它當成是一個社會任性的一個演習我們希望說災害降到最低但是我們也希望說每一次你所發現的能夠改善的作為下一次精進的措施所以我才提到說其實這也不是這一次有人提到其實每一次發生這種複合性災難的時候就有人提到說是不是我們也請中央應變中心指揮官來說說看他的想法跟經驗來 劉部長 |
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謝謝李委員我想譬如說我以丹納斯來看可以看到電網韌性的部分或者是通訊韌性的部分那這個透過我們現在立法院全力支持之後電網韌性跟通訊韌性都已經在加強當中那在這一次有關於土石流的部分我也可以引用一位台大教授他所提到他所知道全世界其他的土石流的災對不起不是土石流就是這個驗射物的災害 |
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台灣的水準是在水準平均之上那當然我們不能夠引以為傲因為我們畢竟還有很多死傷而且我們到現在為止仍然維持紅色警戒也就是表示說天后不可預測還有災害的時候有很多人也在災難的現場 |
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所以我們仍然維持紅色警戒是表示要持續監控而且監控的力道不會比發生之前還要來的少那我們現在就集合包括國科會包括農業部或是包括全台灣所有對於水利或是地震所有的這些專家來看看我們下一次要怎麼做會更精進 |
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我認為每一次的經濟都是提供我們全社會防衛韌性最好的一個素材那也希望全民能夠支持尤其在預算方面那這一點我們其實都保持一個非常開放的態度來接受各方的意見再檢討好 那我再請教一下院長那今年度我們除了現在在審查的這一個即將審查的這個特別預算之外其實還有其他五個總共有六個特別預算在今年度我們都會做審查 |
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那今年度的這一個整個這六個特別預算稅出的規模將近五千億那這個舉借的債務是大概兩千八百五十而已占比是五十七趴左右那其實不低啦那再請教一下院長那現在國防部是不是在年底之前還會再送一個特別預算是有關於這個不對稱作戰的特別條例還有預算送到立法院來做審議 |
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請部長來跟說明現在我們對於國家安全國防安全的需求可以考慮到政府財政的能力目前國防部有什麼樣具體的時間有限部長就簡短回答是不是在年底之前有這個不對稱作戰的特別條例會送來立法院我們有關不對稱及防衛任性的部分我們會在下半年會提送條例然後送行政院審議 |
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然後另外會提出相關的預算那大概預算規模大概是多少現在還在編制當中所以我想還沒有做最後的定案就是媒體有在傳出大概是介於這個七千億兆一兆之間 |
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我想最後都還是要行政院來布裡面還在涵算各種的需求目前都還沒有到院裡面來現在還在布裡面還沒有送到行政院還沒有但是預計會在年底送到立法院來做審議就對了年底以前大概這個不對稱作戰的重點是什麼就是你們買的武器大概重點是哪些 |
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相關當然我們會有軍購商購還有偽製的項目那主要的一些重點當然就從名稱上就可以看得出來就是在強化我們的不對稱的戰力以及我們的防衛的韌性那屬於這一個我們認為應該要擺入這個特別預算的一個項目那我們想要買的這些不對稱的這些武器有跟美方談好的嗎 |
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當然我們會跟美方來進行溝通讓我們提出我們的需求讓美方也會做出相對應的承諾這樣子對於在關稅談判上面有幫助嗎我想談判的這個我們好謝謝謝謝李委員 |