| IVOD_ID |
163813 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163813 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T16:37:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T16:53:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890ee05c2f12f24372a704543300bdabf028d97010e5f6ab85c5195ddf4f073bf875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:37:58 - 16:53:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席 謝謝 麻煩請卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢 |
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好 院長好 國事如麻但是我們一起共同面對也共同承擔這一點是立法院跟行政院大家共同的事務那看到今天上午那麼多委員在針對這個關稅的議題我想也針對關稅議題之前還是要再請教一下因為現在花蓮的這個風災上午內政部李鴻元部長這邊有提到就說目前看拆下來這個驗射壺的部分 |
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華洛這次崩塌只有7000萬公噸那上面據統計還有2.5億噸的泥沙在上面換言之有3倍半的泥沙還在這上面那這就如同是一個不定時炸彈也因此內政部李鴻元部長講說如果說發生五級地震或是豪大雨的話都還有可能崩塌下來我們不希望發生這個事情但是我們要做好超前準備跟超前部署請教 院長 |
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建議是說要討論遷村或者是有準確的預警機制我們現在有沒有開始規劃了農業部一直在做水位的預防遷村的計畫 |
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沒有千村的計畫如果我們再經過評估 真的需要我們一定沒有評估對 千村你要評估它在上面有2.5億噸的泥沙沒有610萬噸是沒有610萬噸沒關係 這個是李洪源部長所提的這個內政部部長之前還請李洪源部長來做科技的預算因此我們現在講的是料敵從寬但我們現在要問的是說有沒有千村的計畫 |
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目前我們是說這個他從生的一個驗生物變成一個潛疊的驗生物造成未來的影響跟上市目前為止還沒有不是我們沒有說沒有什麼樣的狀況會考慮要遷春因為院長請容許本席先提醒喔當初莫拉克風災的時候當時的中央政府馬政府馬上啟動家園重建政策 |
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編列預算並且協調部會來跟中央地方政府來做統一的溝通也因此完成了小林村的一個遷村那我們現在請教這一次看到的這個災害天災沒有人希望發生但是除了在您上禮拜有提到是說要開始救責以外我們更要問的是這些災民何去何從 |
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因為這些災民他現在回報講師說家園說實在話即便是泥沙清淤完畢可能很難居住啊 |
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委員就責是要為了吸取這次的經驗為未來做改善有效的改善那我們現在知道已經至少有89戶都面臨可能選擇要簽孫的需要那簽到哪裡去這個當然要評估再來什麼時候我們現在才要問的是說有沒有這個計劃已經啟動了沒你目前說還沒有什麼時候要啟動至少我們知道89戶那什麼時候挨家挨戶會 |
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一個禮拜之內就可以完成一個禮拜之內完成一個禮拜內會有啟動89戶 千村的計畫嗎不是 89戶要先尋求因為我們所知道像原住民的這些災民或是其他的人會有各種不同的意見你早上有講是說追加預算就可以但是我們現在要看的是一個規模大小以及重點是不是錢的問題而是中央政府有沒有完整的規劃讓 |
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讓災民能夠有一個完整的安身立命之處 |
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這不是追加或者是說新的條例二則一這也不是說再也提出我們要新的條例中央就說不要而是怎麼樣對於災民最好您同意新的條例不是不要我是說這個方式是最快的你也認為是說新的條例可以可以接受方式是最快的你新的條例也沒有比現在追加快如果同意的話重點在於是說我們快撥錢可是如果說你沒有做事你沒有計劃 |
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那撥錢怎麼用現在89戶至少我們在名單當中那是不是只有89戶也不一定所以你說一個禮拜一個禮拜內會清查完畢到底有多少人有意願圈村嗎那我們就來啟動這個圈村計畫我們現在的計畫是這樣國土署的計畫是這樣第一個復原重建裡面呢並不會排斥圈村但是目前我們所知道目前沒有規劃 |
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不是 不是沒有規劃目前我們所知道大部分人都希望離村不離鄉那如果是離村不離鄉的狀況之下跟遷村的願望所以你還是要找一個合適的地點來去做陸續的重建嘛這個就是本席現在在請教你但是目前你沒有辦法拿出具體的辦法來 院長我請教當初喔 |
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慕拉克的時候有一個主責單位跟地方政府來做一個良好的溝通也因此才會有所謂編列預算跟協調部會這兩件中央應該要做的事情那請教未來我們花蓮這一個光復鄉的一個部分是會由誰來主責我們現在是透過中央災害應變中心來組成協調所但是我講的是說千春以及重建計劃未來因為看起來 |
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我實在話講這跟我第二個問題要請教因為你也提到在這一次的救災裡面其實社會不信任也是一個很大的問題社會為什麼不信任其實我想你我心知肚明 |
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過去這一年多執政黨發起的大罷免到現在真的撕裂台灣很嚴重但過去已經過去了我一而再再三強調我們既然在這個位置上面就要為服國立民的事來做可是缺乏信任是事實那所以說我現在要請教如果未來還是內政部部長當窗口還是農業部部長當窗口你覺得中央地方可以有良好溝通嗎 |
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還是要指派一位政委能夠來統和協調甚至院長或是副院長來下來來去做這樣的一個統和協調兩位部長都很專業也很稱職那如果說我們需要跨部會的協調工作多我當然會指派一位政委來做所以未來會有政委來去做溝通協調工作需要的時候當然這麼做好來那院長我再請教喔你有提到是說希望行政立法兩院一起努力邀請韓國瑜院長共同攜手合作 |
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那我請教你具體的做法是什麼 |
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你想要怎麼合作我在跟立法院要透過請立法院能夠加速審議重大法案跟預算之前我當然希望透過立法院的程序能夠完成但為了這個程序能夠順暢我不排除我也會積極的跟韓院長做更多的溝通我們希望在彼此有共識的情況底下更多的拜會更多的溝通討論這個都是可以積極馬上做的工作好因為本席這次陪同韓國瑜院長前往日本出訪這是跨黨派民進黨 |
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民眾黨 國民黨各推派代表共同前往我想韓國瑜院長展現他的高度並且他在日本不只一次提到行政院院長卓榮泰承諾願意要把我們世博的台灣館展覽的內容給帶回台灣讓國人看到 |
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韓院長不吝嗇把舞台做給卓院長即便卓院長你沒有在他身邊那一樣的道理行政立法就應該要互相溝通開誠布公不是思考黨派的問題你可以同意吧我也多次在國內跟朋友講到說韓院長帶領這個團到世博去看到台灣館都覺得很驚訝 驚豔所以他也希望能夠把他帶回來我也認為韓院長這個提議我們原來文化部就已經有他的相關的 |
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所以目前預算有排出來明年可以讓國人看到台灣館在台灣文化部有一部分那其他的部分因為他這個館我們現在了解光是硬體的這個設備就要高達20億因為他是分四年編列我們都了解院長四駁五年一次 |
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你今年的世博結束到明年如果來展覽可能現在世界各國已經在思考說下一個四年下一個五年就2030的時候要展什麼了所以我們也希望是讓大家看到最新的科技而不是拖一年兩年嘛所以明年可以讓國人在台灣看到台灣館 |
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我們已經開過一次內部的這個會議來針對這件事情所以我們才了解一些初步的過程我們現在想要選擇的是他又如果要回來除了這個設備回來要落在哪裡是一個適當的地方落在哪裡就相對單純嘛但是我們現在講說行或不行讓國人能夠在明年看到台灣館我們努力這樣做啊因為他這個下個月就結束了我們希望一段時間能夠回來其實兩個禮拜後就結束來 院長 |
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不過開誠布公就是要尊重制度就是不能分黨派我們上禮拜看到居然有我們的行政官員在民進黨團的群組裡面然後還跟民進黨的委員互相的來講出所謂要攻擊性的言辭這當然是民進黨的委員提到的可是我們其實國民黨的委員民眾黨的委員要布會首長的賴都不容易 |
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如果說真的不分彼此不分大小眼而是看制度說話的話民進黨的委員可以那國民黨民眾黨能不能比較要求要求什麼把部會首長的LINE一起加進來跟我們討論通訊錄大家都有吧LINE啊但重點是私LINE啊LINE他除了是公務我先請教一下院長你有沒有掌握因為上禮拜新聞我相信你有看到嗎你有在那個群組裡面嗎並沒有你沒有那有多少位我們部會官員在那群組裡面 |
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這個因為我不在裡面我也沒有事後去了解你的祕書長在那裡面啊 |
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請教一下你的秘書長有多少人私下跟這個群組裡面會不會變成有多頭馬車院長只是一個部分然後黨團只是另外一個部分秘書長如果基於他了解整個訊息的傳遞那麼做事實的回應你也不了解有多少部會首長在那裡面我個人不了解因為我不在裡面那你認為這樣子的一個溝通到底是會更順暢還是會更 |
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加深大家認為是說就是執政黨跟執政黨的委員溝通但是沒有在乎在野黨委員的意見而且跟執政黨跟在野黨的委員我們都有必須溝通的管道那如果這個群組的存在所以你認為是執政黨跟部會首長就是用LINE溝通就可以但是跟我們在野黨委員就是要公文往返是嗎 |
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這個部分有他個人 行李如宜 公務機之外他有他個人的行政 我不能強迫院長本席還是希望尊重制度而不是因人設事這是很重要的一個議題來 院長再請教現在傳出來這個商務關稅的問題美國商務部長提到晶片55分我們在副院長第一時間講說不可能答應這樣的一個要求也沒有提及 也沒有討論 也沒有承諾 |
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沒有提及沒有討論沒有承諾所以過去四五輪的談判都沒有提過沒有那為什麼商務部長會這樣突然間講出這樣的一個底線那代表美國的要求是明確的那過去這五輪裡面美國院長剛剛 |
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728.975 |
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在公開的講到是說美國都沒有提到晶片55分過去五輪談判都沒有提過美方他自己的說法我們不對這個說法做評論因為在談判當中但你剛剛已經有證實的是說過去沒有提到剛剛談判當中我們也會提出我們的想法美方提出想法但是我們不會把我們的想法對外公佈好 那我請教那如果說未來他要求64分73分有沒有可能同意 |
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因為現在沒有討論這個議題啊我們的底線在哪裡因為沒有討論這個議題我現在沒有辦法來討論到說我們有什麼底線因為不在討論的議題當中過去到現在國人我們都希望政府部門好好談判但是每一次提到這個部分都會以雙方保密協議沒有辦法跟社會大眾溝通 |
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現在美國商務部長已經很明確講要晶片五五分啊台積公司的1650億美金的這個投資案哪一年才會完全成立未來會不會觸及到台美晶片分配的問題 |
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台積的這個1650億的投資到目前為止什麼時候會正式的量產都不知道但是我們國內的量會一直的增加所以這個比例上現在無法做一個定論但是但我們國內在先進製程上持續領先不管是世代或是數量這個是政府的政策跟對業界的要求 |
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我們過去都有一個我們要加一的政策也就是台灣本土一定要比世界各國的製程還要更先進一代我們還可以維持這樣承諾嗎過去這一些談判有沒有觸及到這個議題會維持不管什麼樣的壓力即便商務部長今天這是商務部長的意思還是美國總統川普的意思 |
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他的要求 不知道但我們沒有辦法再去跟他做進一步的確認或是溝通嗎我們只會確認到最後的兩國的這個最後的協議但是到底那個主張是哪一位好來那最後 院長時間有限我最後只請教因為今天我看到一個新聞是美國總統川普表示他考慮從美國獲取的關稅收入中撥款計畫未來給美國民眾最高兩千美金的紅包 |
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6萬塊台幣他的裁員來源是什麼他裁員來源是說因為現在關稅的收入正在增加也因此他考慮把這個紅利撥放給全他們美國的全國民眾我們的普發現金是用我們的經濟共享成果是我們的納稅錢超徵稅收也好或說我們還稅也好那是我們人民的錢 |
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但現在美國總統講的是說他用關稅的收入給世界各國收的關稅然後他要補發現金給民眾我請教身為中華民國的行政院長你可以接受這樣的說法嗎他用他關稅的手段做他國內的各種這個政策這個我們不予置評但是我們自己我們沒有超生稅收可以接受這樣的說法就是當他關稅拿了那麼多然後發給他們美國人民那孟崇尚那些錢是從哪裡來 |
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923.97 |
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從你我世界各國的關稅被多增加了被超徵了結果他去發給他們人民的現金我們自己都對我們國人沒有那麼多結果沒有想到美國總統他居然用這樣的一個手段中華民國行政院長可以接受嗎我們只接受我們自力自強把自己國內的這個任何的經濟發展跟產業發展以及人民的這個消費的額度我們盡量把它壓制在平穩的狀況底下院長你還是沒有直接回答問題 謝謝 |
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926.021 |
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好,謝謝王委員 |