| IVOD_ID |
163807 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163807 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T15:02:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T15:18:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890d12b83d988c4421d704543300bdabf02399d32d779812cf310497944ed0372c35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:02:43 - 15:18:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席政府機關所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請卓院長請卓院長備詢還有我們衛福部的石部長交通部的陳部長石部長和陳部長請備詢總委員好院長好兩位部長好交通部長今天沒有備詢好 那那麼 |
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院長部長今天我們是這個特別預算的是因應國際情勢還要強化經濟社會以及我們的民生國安韌性那我特別重視民生國安韌性因為在我的認知當中只要完善防救災就是提高我們的強化民生國安的韌性所以底下就這一次花蓮的防救災來跟您請教 |
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首先我們再回顧一下院長在今年的8月10號的院會當中我曾經針對8月10的風災有發生過需要用無人機送藥的事情不知道院長你還記得嗎有那時候我希望能夠簡化流程提前準備那也希望院長指示在各個需要點來設立示範點來排除法規的限制那請問這樣的一個要求後來行政院是不是已經有落實了 |
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我相信石部長已經在這次的這個菸賽福的事件當中他已經執行過這樣的一個功能那是不是請石部長說明一下除了無人機送藥這件事情之外前置的法制作為我們知道無人機送藥分成兩個部分一個是無人機車交通部的業務送藥的部分涉及到醫事法 藥事法對不對那這個是不是跟我們之前在推動的所謂的通訊診療辦法有關 |
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跟委員報告這一次在馬太安溪的煙色湖災害事件的第一刻我們就派遣了無人機團隊進駐到花蓮後來也成功執行任務後來真的有這個需求發生 |
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那我们就非常快的时间就反应了也让这个病人能够及时拿到药物那基于这几次的成功经验所以我们接下来大概朝三个方向也扣合您刚刚的指教第一个先去盘点全国大概有这样缺口需要的 |
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有哪一些風險點事先規劃因為這個無人機要這個送藥的操作他必須事先規劃這個航線所以跟這個落地點這個都要先選擇好所以第一步我們會先去盤點那第二個呢這個啟動的過程會有很多的跨部會的合作那因此我們要建立一個平台讓他的作業起來能夠更迅速第三個就是您關切的法規的部分能不能繼續鬆綁我們目前是在緊急災難的情形之下可以適用 |
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那能不能夠用在偏鄉然後在平常就可以操作這是我們第三個好 院長聽到沒有第三個我關心的就是最近就是今天的報紙報導說首次用無人機送血 |
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不是災害也不是災區但是血液的緊急作用很重要所以接下來我就是一個問題了所以根據我們的交通部主管的民用航空法當中遙控無人機的管理規則第33條當時我的專案諮詢有提到第一項是說在災害應變時這個沒有問題只要應變指揮官的下達指令就可以不受既有的無人機的使用規則就可以派遣但是第二個 |
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第二項的時候呢他說在災害以外的緊急狀況發生的時候仍然有所謂的現場指揮官或權責機關指定的現場負責人員你想像一個情況假如登山客爬山不是災害喔被蛇咬了馬上要運送蛇毒血進去那請問這個時候的無人機派遣現場誰是指揮官誰是權責機關指定的人員是不是要請衛務部跟交通部預先把這個第二項的相關人員的法制呢 |
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先把它配備所以平常就可以送包括醫材跟醫藥院長 部長來 部長請跟委員報告這個大概分成兩段一個是適用緊急醫療法我們緊急醫療法也有行動性我講的是無人機的部分對 我們來修正討論法規讓它在剛剛這個情境是緊急醫療的需要 |
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緊急送藥啦 或者是這個解毒劑啊等等的這個有時效性的 這是緊急醫療那第二個是比較常規性這個偏遠地區送藥那個讓民眾更方便那這兩個不同的法規我們會來研議 |
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那院長我要說的就是說現在呢根據這個無人機的管理規則大概只有限定到緊急狀況但是我們看到以小琉球為例啊離島地區如果輸送磚塊水泥我一定用船運但是我不可能為了運一些醫材藥材啊我拍一艘船太貴了反而無人機就送過去是平常的經濟便利的行為是不是可以請院長指示交通部跟我們的衛福部呢就這個醫療機構平常 |
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在特殊地區他這種用無人機用比較經濟便利的行為也納入平常的法規範謝謝委員我們現在技術上可及而且我們整個產業的提升能力也到了我認為在災害的地方災害的時間 |
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偏遠的地區緊急醫療的作為上面一定要納入未來我們可以服務的對象甚至如果我們有更廣泛的範圍要去處理的話我願意我們全力來演講謝謝院長好 接下來我要請顧部長也一塊來那麼高思英院長現在在我們這一次有一個軍民之通作業環境韌性及設備效能提升計畫在這次預算當中那我們看到這個國防部有一個叫做變息型的衛星訊號接收器那我們很好奇 |
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這個計畫當中包含了變息型的衛星訊號接收器它是不是可以隨時的部署甚至可以部署到一般緊急派駐的民間家裡去部長您可以看到畫面這是不是我們國防部目前的裝備樣貌我們這個變息型的個人可以吸行的 |
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可以部署很迅速 那我往下看那麼現在不只是現在未來的指揮不只是企業管理或是國軍的指揮管理都要扁平化尤其是防災救災的通報我們看到這一次的情況我們中央應變指揮中心已經下達了要求地方要進行疏散 要進行撤離但是層層的轉花如果說地方中間有任何環節鬆脫就沒有辦法貫徹我們中央對地方的要求 是不是這樣子是 |
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好 那現在我們看一下那如果過去在台灣經常好發的災害類型是颱風颱風其實都有個預警期那過去我們在地方政府的執政經驗其實都會有一個預警的時期而且常常說超前部署那您知道嗎 超前部署很多都是用我們國軍裡面的後備幹部就是我們的後備指揮部裡面的後備幹部他們會提早到各鄉鎮去擔任聯絡官的角色那我們是想請教一下院長 |
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未來如果說這種災害的預防式的部署我們國軍的後備幹部下去的時候有沒有可能也可以攜帶這種便利型的通訊裝備以便萬一有中央掌握到緊急的狀況可以直接透由這些後備幹部在各村裡就可以幫忙把訊息傳遞到必要人員手上 |
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我想我們這些多重的通訊手段都可以在這個有不管是天災發生或是負荷性災難的時候都可以來做那這個不管是無線電或者是衛星手機還有一些微波還有有一些中繼的煉爐我們想都可以來進行這樣子像這樣的一個強化國安韌性的這樣的器材其實在平常如果建置起來之後就可以用我們在 |
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自災害的經驗看來如果我們有充實更多的裝備訓練更完善的人才人員的話我們會把災害的損失再降低所以現在我們這個相關的特別預算的裡面就是希望能夠更多的充實一些必須要有的像類似這樣的裝備我們盡量把它補起來也好 |
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接下來謝謝國防部副部長接下來我們要請內政部的劉部長還有我們也是要再請衛福部的時務部長上來我看到衛福部有一個強化獨居老人的關懷服務計畫在我們這次特別預算當中我們知道包括我們的劉部長我過去在高屏地區有算是幾百多名 |
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我們都知道在我們南部經常遇到颱風所以我們會做一些預防式的疏散那這個時候我們不只是有靠護證系統因為護證資料是固定的但是有沒有在籍人口有沒有都在那裡還要透過什麼 透過設證 |
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什麼是射陣有沒有在領老人的一些關懷服務的要透過衛陣有沒有臥病在床的需要慢性病送藥的甚至要透過警陣才會知道說有沒有一些流動人口住在人裡面所以是不是請劉部長說明一下像這樣的一個強化獨居老人關懷的服務計畫雖然是衛護部主政 |
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但是遇到像這次的災害需要緊急撤離的時候這些保全名單是不是更有助於我們內政部在要求的時候呢可以掌握到這些必須緊急疏散撤離的人員報告委員我想你非常經驗豐富通常我們就是把他講的他是保全戶那這個保全戶只要訊息開始啟動的時候都會要求縣市地方政府或是鄉鎮公所包括從民政戶政或者是社會或者是警政系統去確定一下他有沒有在即 |
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或者有沒有在現場或者他現在的身心狀態那如果有碰到開始有發布相關警報的時候就會啟動所謂的預防性的疏散撤離就幾乎會在汛期之前在前一天或是前24小時48小時就先異地撤離或做其他安全地方的安置 |
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好謝謝院長剛剛劉部長跟兩個石部長兩要合作這個計畫雖然是衛福部的但是如果平常的演練還加上什麼加上一個疏散編組因為行動不便的人需要人家幫忙那這些人他也需要有適當的裝備跟通訊讓他知道可以及時的來幫忙 |
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隔壁廚廳到底多少萬元嘛他坐輪椅 我有塞車子給他載照啊所以這個部分呢是不是可以院長只是兩個部會呢密切合作那幫我們來落實啊這樣的一個預防的疏散撤離是的 謝謝委員我們一定會 |
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做好這件工作我們歷史在中央在應變中心當颱風來臨的時候做一些分組的工作報告裡面都要求在疏散撤離主張當中把所要撤離的對象確實掌握其中就真的包括剛剛部長所說的保全戶都要強烈在裡面地方政府能夠做好 |
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這樣的工作謝謝接下來我就多談一些這次設備有關其實我們村裡防災緊急救難我們是有編列了15.85億是要幫助我們的防災協作中心以及村裡防災緊急設備在114年就有協力團隊進駐未來的115年到116年要村裡防災那是不是可以高危險的偏鄉地區優先來設置我舉例往下講往下看其實村裡誰最常來幫大家解決問題 |
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傳理長啦 代表啦 平常時候什麼手要倒啦 都叫他去處理啦那我們發現這筆預算有協助在幫助他們充實裝備但我是覺得裝備跟設備要分開來個人的裝備 你說頭盔啦 照明燈啦 手電筒啦 它那些都有但是像青蛙裝 |
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這次的我們常發現淹水的時候要清化妝但是清化妝不是全力幹死的大家都有的阿尊說這種個人的裝備可以優先先配合這是一種另外一種是什麼是屬於像什麼發電機緊急照明甚至動力工具油壓減這類的這類的其實配發下去不見得好為什麼 |
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我們不經常這樣行,放在社區有時候中心就壞掉了是建議說,實施計畫的時候用一個專案的方式委託有維運廠商,有需要預警的時候就先配置就是超前部署事情沒有發生,收回來保養不用說放在社區,這樣就壞掉了請問議長是否可以支持我們在內政部長這個議員,用這個方式來接應 |
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報告委員 這個有可能牽扯到中央地方自治權限的問題有些是地方該做的我們要求地方能夠做到 請地方做到那有些比較大型的設備問題中央可能會有必要做一個統一這個請部長答覆緊急發電機的部分其實我們要求他們強強就要能夠維修這個還是一定要配備因為你什麼時候變成孤島都不知道但是我要跟委員報告您非常經驗豐富我希望能夠加入所謂的防災社區的概念 |
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防災設計的概念不是說只有這些裝備包括他在村裡面很多人他如果受到相關訓練的話碰到有狀況他更熟悉村裡面怎麼樣做比較好的防災整備所以我們在防災協作中心的話希望能夠配備有原來在戶籍所在地的一個替代役來協助防災協作中心然後才跟村裡面其他的相關的社團來一起合作 |
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那再加上中央的地方如果願意把這個裝備分類管理的話我相信未來如果碰到天災會很容易可以自救救人這樣子比較好好 謝謝兩位部長接下來我繼續問院長其實這次的風災兩位部長可以請回 |
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其實在九二一的時候我們屏東是有去埔里救災的但是我們看到這當年已經是一九九九年的事情了好我們往下看其實從九一的大地震我們看到民眾熱心捐款捐物資到了莫拉哥風災我的故鄉屏東也遭災那時候來了很多的民間志工幫我們清淤到現在這次馬臺案我們看到民間人力更加充沛還自己帶鏟子甚至我們有進步到有機具都來支援 |
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那像這樣的情況之下我認為為了我們中央應變小組其實要好好善用我們國防部裡面我們的後備軍人的指揮後指部他其實在美式的救災我們看到現在在花蓮的現場有了校旗機關的進駐之後志工就被組織起來了 |
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工作就順利了所以我們希望未來在這樣的中央應變當中要善用我們的後備系統讓後備的幹部可以先派駐到這些地方上來萬一有災後的救災的需求這些人就是非常好的組織者請問院長是不是願意這樣子來敦促我們的國防部跟地方政府來建置這樣的一個組織是 在這次的經驗告訴我們民間的名利非常的 |
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龐大而且充沛但是我們認為這個還是補充性如果平時沒有組織起來的話我們沒辦法預測正規的防救災人員跟防救災的組織一定要完成起來名利的補充下來平常建立這種組織系統的聯繫把它做一些基本上的訓練也好或是做一些聯繫也好將來才有辦法運用到這個地方來 |
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謝謝因為時間的關係最後我要提醒一下那個永久屋的經驗的一定要記取現在我們已經有發現有89戶他需要中基屋他未來土地跟房屋的所有權一定要妥善規劃請院長督促我們行政院協助地方主把這個地方完備可以嗎我們會加強跟這些89戶算是更多的人來謝謝謝謝鍾委員 |