| IVOD_ID |
163806 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163806 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T14:47:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T15:02:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890cc5fcf68fe4e397b704543300bdabf02399d32d779812cf3765b677a192402615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:47:07 - 15:02:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝副院長 一樣邀請我們卓院長卓院長請備詢經濟部也可以先陪同一下幫忙一下經濟部部長我就先講 院長這一次對美關稅談判最大的戰場其實一開始都一直聚焦在半導體業我們一開始是認為對等關稅要全面的談好 |
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那請問一下院長這個年初台積電宣佈要對在投資1000億美金的一個投資設廠那目前我們的投審會收到了申請嗎 |
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你說額外的那個部分就是650加1000的那個1000所以這1000還沒有正式的申請所以短期內應該還不會過去那我想請教一下因為其實剛剛部長也有一再的重申最近新聞講的這個晶片五五分對不對這個議題我們重申我們沒有答應這件事情也沒有討論這件事情 |
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那我請教一下我們有沒有稍微的統計或計算過如果我們的台積電年初獎的那1000億投資進去了加原本的650億那它在美國的投資量能它的那個年生產量在我們以高階的這個5奈米以下的一個產量來講的話那未來它會跟台灣的比重會是多少你們有沒有統計過 |
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這個牽涉到他要幾年才能完成這個我們現在台灣已經確定台灣已經確定要建了現在已經有一些已經確定在建了還沒生產了這些量能有多少那未來如果說1650億美金在美國落地之後會有多少我想這應該大概都可以算得出來有沒有統計過 |
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5奈米以下喔 |
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全部的 不是不是低階的我們不用看嘛我們只在乎高階的嘛但是先進製程在國內也會持續的我就只在乎先進製程在台灣的比例台灣跟美國的比例因為院長一再重申55是不會嘛但實際上你們有沒有算過 |
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剛剛部長已經談過了我們國內也會增加對 那你就可以算你們可以算對不對它的時程還沒有定所以沒有辦法在這個而且我們在這裡也不要算這麼清楚你們計算一下如果1650億的美金在美國落地投資之後 |
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那台灣未來規劃的產能有多少我們希望先進製程台美雙邊的比例有多少可以計算出來讓我們國人安心那也證實了這個院長你講的沒有五十五十這件事情數字一攤開來大家都幸福嗎報告委員那個台積電是在美國大概是五座嘛台灣都是十座以上實際算這邊也算不清楚啦好不好我們事後算算清楚讓我們國人知道一下這個比例大概會是多少好不好這應該算得出來吧 |
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謝謝另外這次的五十五十大家很關心五十五十吳院長說不可能對不對這是我們不可能接受的一個條件你說我們沒有討論過也不會答應也不可能答應如果說美國真的有挑起這個議題的話我們能夠接受的最低的限度以高階親民來講的話你們能夠容忍多少 |
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這是談判的過程跟談判裡面的細節我不宜在這裡跟委員所以你們只能答應說不會五十但是五十多少以下你們不知道我們不會去討論幾比幾的問題是廠商有訂單這是美方的想法就是譬如說台積電他確定那邊有訂單他也願意去投資政府的角色是如何協助他 |
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這個就是一個客觀的公開數據嘛提早讓我們的國人知道嘛好沒關係 如果說院長認為這個是談判機密的話不願意提前講那我們至少知道說你的底線是50絕對不會放但是比50還多遠這一點就你們後續可能可能才會同樣的我們會以國家的利益跟產業的利益為優先來談判的好沒關係 院長沒辦法說也沒關係我不會強求謝謝 |
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接下來就是我們這次的特別預算當然很多的委員提到說可能明目是不是我們實際相符我想很多人討論過了如果說其實我是把它想做站在你們角度看這可以當作一個擴大內需任何在國內的投資對經濟一定都有幫助如果說在這樣子的角度再看的話對國內的經濟一定有幫助我可不可以跟 |
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請院長能夠承諾我們所有這五千多億的預算無論在未來的採購或者是投資是不是都能夠保證讓我們台灣我們本國的廠商來承攬這我們有辦法做到 |
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對 比如說我們支持產業方案每一分錢都是用在我們企業界的補助就是國內採購包括你一些可能一些經濟部的那當然就是在國內嘛我想不只經濟部包括可能國防部 海巡這些設備的採購有沒有辦法優先的來選擇國內的廠商 |
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能不能保障 因為這才有到促進經濟的一個效果吧我們能不能做到這樣的承諾國安部的確是在地承諾這跟你經濟部沒關係啊 我知道院長 這是不是我們的方向你能不能做這樣的承諾我們5500億我們盡力把這些投資的項目讓我們國內的廠商賺因為前幾天我們的總統也說了嘛希望讓造船業多一些利潤嘛那當然我們希望不只造船業嘛我們5500億的一個 |
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這個經費全數都能夠讓我們國內的廠商來賺這樣子的一個承諾或者目標你能不能承諾跟委員報告我想國防部的部分因為占到1130而已所以我想可以跟委員承諾我們這一次特別預算都會用在國內的直通跟營造謝謝國防部所以一定會擴大內需的產能謝謝國防部 |
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那我不曉得其他的部分海巡其實也不少嘛或者其他部會其實一些農業部這些一定是國內啦這個我了解啦那海巡也答應了嘛對不對那個海委會嘛對所以我們原則上這5500億應該都是用在我們國內嘛 |
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各位委員報告好就是說除非那個裝備我們必須是非常靈敏度非常高的而且在全世界國內生產不來的是輔導不來的否則原則上都是輔導國內的廠商優先的來做 |
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我們會努力朝這個方向因為擴大內需也是我們其中一個我想這應該也是我們行政院的目標吧當然是我們對於本土的產業實力的來致當然是用盡各種方法原則上都希望能夠讓我們國家的廠商來賺原則上當然是如此謝謝我們的院長 |
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那既然這樣子的投資都是國內的廠商來承攬促進經濟的話那我們的主計總數大概有預測明年的一個經濟的成長率大概是2.81那我想這個評估啦這個評估應該是不包含這個5500億的這個特別的預算應該是不包含嘛因為預算還沒通過那我們有沒有評估過因為我每次在普發現金或者是發消費券的時候都會評估說對國內的經濟成長率的幫助有多少或者是說對GDP的 |
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我們有沒有評估過這5500億因為普發一萬的部分應該有評估過好像佔GDP的0.5%那其餘的部分對我們國家的一個經濟的成長有多少的幫助這一點我不曉得我們行政院有沒有算過 |
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特別預算通過之後我會請主計總署再詳細說明有沒有算過他要更精細的算那應該他目前都有做整年度的沒有算就趕快算嘛有 我們有初估啦那國會會他是評估是大概是0.415的一個成長百分點那我們評估的話大概0.65百分點好 那就是我們就希望說錢花下去我們知道效果嘛所以說這個我們主計總署的原則上的預估大概是0.45的一個比例 |
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到時候大家再來一起檢視我們的成效另外我再請問一下比較細的就是我們的農業部這次有編列了190億的預算 |
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原則上大概180多億都是對國內的團體機關獎補助那農業部會編列這麼高的預算其實我當然開心的嘛我的選區內大概有七個農運會的一個團體啦我當然是感謝但是我想問的是農業部編這樣的預算的原因是不是我們已經打算開放美國的農業產品進來我們才會編列這麼高的一個預算來做因應你們是不是做這樣的一個準備我們在編這樣的一個預算的時候是針對 |
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那時候的出口的 |
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那個稅額是32%然後後來降到10%又提升到20%在這樣的一個Range之內我們也評估了我們出口的品項有哪一些受到影響那這些影響裡面怎麼樣做金融的支持怎麼樣做產業的提升所以這190是現況嗎對 是現在目前的一個情況如果說未來對美的這個農業農業產品有多一些開放的話我們農業部應該會有另外的措施我可以這樣理解嗎 |
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我想我們現在目前在處理的其實出口美國也會跟我們國內的市場會有一些互動所以未來如果說關稅最後確認了以後那我們會看實際的情況之下我們再去做相關的預算的調整 |
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好 所以是191是依照現況那如果說多開放的話會再評估要不要增加 這樣是這樣的理解對 如果說夠的話我們就不會那不夠的話我想我們會循程序來我們會看農業的這個直接的衝擊無論是進口或出口的業者受到什麼樣的衝擊農業部都會很詳實的去把它評估出來那麼我們會從這個預算當中率先來執行好 謝謝院長 謝謝餘部長 |
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接下來裡面也是比較細一點的就是我們因應美國關稅分散風險是大家最近在講的多增加東協或者是增加歐盟的一個出口的一個比例所以我們大概有編了10億的經費是強化雙邊經貿關係韌性其中10億裡面當然每一項大概我寫的 |
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665.46 |
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我覺得寫的有點籠統啦但至少有個方向出來但其中有4億的經費他大概是編所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
668.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
697.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
出訪 或是邀請國外的團體來台灣這樣的一個經費那 抱歉喔 站在行政院的立場抱歉 站在我們立法院的立場我們會擔心這四億元的一個經費會不會變成一個綁裝的一個旅遊團我們怎麼樣能夠確保這四億的經費能夠有實際的效益消敏我們立法院或者是民眾的疑慮我們那個是辦國內展覽比如說工具機展邀請國外的買主來台灣是 是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
699.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
721.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
訪團呢訪團也是一樣是工協會提出來我們設台灣館因為這件事情是在編預算而已嘛對不對那後續怎麼執行那當然各方有各界的一個想像那我想後續的資訊的公開是非常重要的或者是每一次的出訪或者是每一次的邀請它的成效是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
722.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
742.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
他那個都是補助廠商的有沒有辦法來做一個完整的揭露補助每一個工協會去辦什麼展覽或者是我們台灣辦什麼 買什麼客物來因為這私營的預算比很多部會加起來都還多啦好不好 所以我們才會特別看這筆預算那未來是不是部長也承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
743.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
763.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這些預算未來都會有一些政府公開的一些程序讓大家了解它的功能是什麼我們海外參展除了大的廠商之外他有能力設他自己的館之外中小企業沒辦法所以我們弄一個比較大的台灣館讓中小企業可以在那邊展覽他的產品這個錢就是要用在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
764.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
780.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
好沒關係你們只要願意公開後續做一個資訊充分的揭露的話那我想後續大家一起來檢驗好不好謝謝那接下來還有一點就是我們這一次的特別預算有特別明定就是這次的特別預算不受預算法的62條跟63條的一個限制對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
781.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
800.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
也就是可以留用其實我覺得這個是立法院對於行政院的一個高度的尊重但是我們在裡面的預算也看到了一些可能媒體的一些廣告費用院長應該也知道這是我們立法院這一屆非常關注的項目最後審議的結果我們還不知道如果有一些預算被砍的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
801.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
817.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那我想院長你會不會去用這個不適用62跟63條的不得流用的規定直接去把它補回來因為你還有一個200億的扣打還是說你會尊重立法院如果說我們真的要砍什麼預算你要流進來你會再尊重我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
817.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
839.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
後續的200億我們一直強調需要的時候我們才會提出來我們不會這樣不珍惜國家的資源因為立法院如果提出來的時候有法律上的限制或准許我們怎樣使用原本63條的規定是被砍過的預算不能留用嘛指定項目有刪除的不能不得留用嘛但是這一次我們把這個條拿掉了你們可是可以留用的就算我們砍了你們還是可以用只要科目還在的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
840.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
863.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
但我想確認的是未來我們如果說真的有做一些刪減的話你們會不會尊重立法院如果說真的要在特別的項目增加的話來做一些知會立法院不管是知會立法院也好還是學立法院的同意尊重的事情你們會不會願意做我第一個會要求我們這200億的預備的預算是需要的時候我們提出來不需要的時候我們寧願就把它那另外就是我也拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
865.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
889.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
大院裡面各委員會能夠合理的去審查預算真的需要的多留下來 多留下來我想6263這條放寬是立法院對行政院的一個尊重我們會珍惜這樣的空白授權我們也希望說未來在做一些流用的時候行政院也務必要尊重立法院我們會珍惜這樣的空白授權 我們尊重那還有一點時間啦 這個媒體朋友請我幫忙問的啦今天立法院內政部長麻煩一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
892.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
今天立法院好像有很多媒體同仁說進來的時候有一些不往沒有的一些刑事局的同仁有在立法院做一些進來我們立法院或者是做一些檢查那可不可以簡單說明一下狀況有這樣的狀況嗎 剛剛講的什麼狀況刑事局除了平常的保安人員之外刑事局的同仁也有來我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
921.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
930.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
沒有耶沒有嗎我沒有這樣的訊息因為是有些媒體想要跟您請問一下如果沒有的話我沒有這樣的訊息那我們後續再做一些確認好不好好 謝謝 |