| IVOD_ID |
163802 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163802 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T12:16:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T12:32:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890738baefef9a7339b704543300bdabf021764375d49d526b92cfcc21c557743ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:21 - 12:32:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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葉文豪院長好早上聽你的報告你提到說現在發這1萬塊是希望特別條例趕快過可以讓全民享受到自己努力的經濟實力我覺得您這種態度就對了早上我也看到您很委屈的在澄清就是說你們發這1萬塊沒有可發可不發或者是說沒有說可發然後不發然後你在澄清你知道為什麼大家會有這種感覺嗎 |
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因為你一開始的時候的態度就跟剛剛我講的態度不一樣我們一開始是希望說政府不舉債我們用到需要的地方去那你講話的方式嘛我現在建議你嘛不要造成國人的誤會嘛因為你一開始就說一萬塊遙控飛機買了冰箱買了就沒啦好像這一萬塊大家沒什麼需要我們希望說國家需要的地方我們七砂成塔用在那個地方去還有就是你們執政黨的立委還有講說這個發一萬塊錢就是配合中共窮台啦 |
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認知作戰或統戰啊講得好像領這個一萬塊錢很不堪啊剛剛也有委員之意我們比賽再增高這也是有相關的啊我這只是建議啦齁如果一開始的時候其實大家採取比較正面的態度用討論的用促成的方式而不是一直批評我覺得我們是對國家價值不同啦對國家的價值認定不同就像您今天早上的態度讓國人趕快享受這種大家努力而來的經濟果實 |
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就很棒啊就是因為之前變來變去態度就前後變來變去大家才會產生因為我們已經決定要舉債了我們就可以花出去的比較多就是這樣子而已你講的跟我不同事情我講的是你的態度前後不一樣那你之前要舉債現在舉債不是一樣而且你變了很多其他的預算舉債也不是說 |
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舉債也不是說純粹是因為這個事情舉債啦我們在編任性條例跟預算之後我們是希望這筆錢4100億是不舉債的你有的東西跟舉債沒有關嘛你有的是講話的態度的問題嘛遙控飛機 冰箱我也很快的跟你確定一下幾個啦現在時程上面 因為既然要發了我覺得大家就會很期待 |
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執政上如果立法院十月中過去可以那個送出立法院那我有看你回答其他委員的回答做了很多先前作業然後這些東西可不可以給一個比較明確的日期月底感覺比較有困難嘛因為早上回答是比較有困難那現在大概什麼時候之前一定做到總算個目標不然早是講一個比較空洞的大家會比較一個月大概什麼時候 |
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11月中以前一定會發那是大院審理完成通過之後總統公告之後11個月假設10月中一定送出去的話你是11月中以前一定會發嗎我認為總統也好我們也會請總統能夠緊述公告他就生效生效一個月內就可以一個月所以我們數學很簡單數學10月中送出去就是11月底以前一定可以發 |
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這是確定的嘛但是如果說動作更快的話就可以更早嘛能快就快但是安全的措施我們會設想比較周延那個是細節我講的就是一個月嘛就是十月中嘛謝謝那大家就是至少十月中就可以這個期待然後第二個是發放的方式是不是還是按照之前講的就是有登記路障ATM領取郵局領取直接路障跟照冊發放不會再多了嘛 |
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本來就沒有再多然後在這個系統的設計上也不會變來變去我會這樣問是因為院長有時候也是變來變去一下說研議不領取的這個選項一下又說不用研議不領取選項當民間的團體來跟我們做這種意見的表達的時候我們總要說我們要研議一下有沒有實質上的可能你研議了多久 |
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研議完全不影響這個程序啊我們9月11號你後來是研議之後是覺得什麼因素所以不做我們認為這個對各自的保護有我們現在還沒有辦法想像上的危險所以我們就停下來其實你當下應該就可以知道不用去設這個不領取 |
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因為其實你們到最後發放完之後都可以確定有多少人是不領取就以2023年發放最後是有7萬人不領取我怎麼知道因為最後就算得出來所以你去偵測一個不領取這就多此一舉因為院長您是行政院長講話都是會讓人家覺得這個會往那個方向去院長說要研議不領取大家就覺得會不會到時候真的會出現一個不領取的選項 |
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但是實際上你們兩個要搖頭所以根本不可能嘛延誼的過程完全沒有延後任何的時間院長用詞譴制方面可能要稍微留意一下因為你講一句話國人就討論了國人就會覺得哇賽連這個都要設不理取委員很多建議我們也都是延誼啊 |
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但是我們建議很多都有建設性謝謝委員再來我想問一下預算的問題順便問一下因為像這個光復箱剛剛講說有五種領取方式因為光復箱那邊有的證件被沖走了有的ATM也被沖走ATM也沒有了請問你們大概會用什麼方式去發放 |
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基本上我們還是維持這樣的一個方式因為整個發放的時間大概有六個月那當然是先要協助光復鄉的國人們能夠盡快把相關的證件能夠補辦起來因為除了這個領一萬塊還有其他也需要使用那我想各部會都在協助他們不管是健保卡身份證等等都在協助那如果在那個特別有需要的話我們也可以另外考量是不是用其他專案的方式專案方式是 |
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對 但是目前那個六個月時間其實是夠長的我想那個時候證件應該你們會第一個就是先讓他們想辦法幫助他們把證件補齊然後再來ATM的這些設施趕快恢復但如果真的有特殊狀況的話用專案來處理我們再來做專案處理我們先用一站式的服務健保卡 身分證 郵局 還有農會如果需要這個證件我們用一站式的服務而且現在我們據你所知護證所已經恢復它的基本功能好 謝謝 |
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再來我問一下有關於經濟韌性預算現在產業支持是規劃了780億請問一下780億是根據多少關稅評估出來的 |
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支持產業的部分因為你現在用對等關稅32%或者是20%你所評估出來的預算產業支持的預算當初應該是不一樣嘛那你780億是根據什麼依據部長來詳細說明在4月4號我們對產業支持的方案出來440億的時候我們是用高推估30%是幾%780億是根據幾%估出來大致上也是差不多30左右 |
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是用30%就是關稅30%所以換句話說因為現在關稅是20%加N嘛如果之後現在繼續談談到後來假設20%可以降下來就不會花到781這麼多是這個意思嗎 |
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也不一定 因為談的過程當中我們可能也會有一些讓利所以你當初是比較高估嗎因為政府一直告訴我們說20%加N是暫時性關稅所以理論上按照政府講話邏輯應該關稅會降應該不會往上增到30%因為包括委員 因為國際情勢的改變不單單只是關稅還有什麼 |
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匯率或其他的問題所以這是一個粗估切巴士是一個粗估最後用多少不知道因為剛剛部長也講了國際情勢改變有可能會花到更多你剛剛不確定性很高我這邊提醒幾個我想請教一下第一個 |
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因為美方傳出來消息是希望我們晶片是五五分但我們政府已經拒絕了然後我們提出來一個方案是說擴大去美國投資可以用G2G的方式然後類似成立在美國成立科學園區這個事情是確實的嗎 |
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巴爾委員是這樣就是說台灣產業的成功它有一個型態就是一個群聚 聚落 Cluster我知道 我就確認一下因為我們過去來講我們這個群聚是不是確定就是我沒有提這個方案 |
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就是鼓勵我們的企業整合然後去那邊設科學園區是不是有提出這樣的方案跟美方表達就是產業要成功的話一定要形成一個聚落 |
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這個我知道啦我是問有沒有這件事嘛有或還是沒有嘛那園區是一個形態有嘛那就是有嘛為什麼有或沒有要講那麼一大堆不要拖時間啦因為我們有時間有限那我是想問說那你有考慮到整個產業過去之後因為他還要帶那個產業鏈嘛然後很多企業會過去假設以科學園區的規模的話那那麼多公司他的投資資本是有限的 |
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過去投資多一點在台灣投資就會少一點可能會造成台灣產業空洞化經濟部有沒有評估過這個事情不會 我們已經先隸屬台灣佈局全球所以隸屬台灣當然口號是這樣可是資本就是這樣他的資本過去之後他能夠等一下 我還沒有講等一下 等一下還沒有講他的資本就是這麼多他投資美國資本比較多當然投資台灣就會少一點 |
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因為你現在沒有要用到政府的資源嘛你現在主要都是用民間資源嗎報告委員就是說如果他那邊有訂單形成可以有經濟規模他當然會過去但是有一些小的企業他沒有辦法他可能在只能取一地而已所以我們會在這種情況下我們會要求他的供應鏈裡面的一些材料就在台灣做然後供應給他那沒有辦法形成科學園區的規模啊 |
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沒有 他可以跟我們形成一個很好的我的問題就是因為你們跟美方講說要在那邊用G2地方成立一個科學園區的規模我是擔心說投資資本移過去之後會造成產業空洞化你沒有回答我的問題我說不會啊第二個 曾經你們有一個方案是說要跟美國鼓勵我們的企業跟美國去買農產品大概四年要一百億美金對吧 這是有的 |
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我們的工協會跟一些主要的產業然後也不會用到納稅人的錢但是這個可能也會造成一個問題因為我看到一些企業像捕風或者是台糖他們的說法是說他們也願意配合企業可是他們以前在買東西的時候因為可以跟各國去買那現在如果說要擴大跟美國投資變成規格標 |
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那勢必會提高成本我想他有三個思考再請部長一個就是我們的進口需要的我們從各方來買我講的是企業直接的回復啦我提醒一下啦我還沒講完你們都一直打斷我很奇怪院長帶頭部長他們這麼害怕我講喔 |
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不用害怕我都還沒一句話都還沒論述完你就一直打岔這樣我很難問問題啦好不好這個像捕蜂還有像台南他們的說法他說如果形成規格標的話那成本會上揚嘛那現在就是 |
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羊毛住在羊身上如果他們成本上揚那物價勢必會往上攀升會影響到物價那政府這部分有因應嗎是 我可以回答嗎就是說現在的狀況是這樣美國我們需要它的黃小玉就是黃豆 小麥等等一些情況那那個是我們 |
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食料 我們養豬的飼料部長你被針對問題回答我剛講說捕蜂跟台糖他們提出來的講法嘛你去講到黃小玉幹嘛捕蜂是買黃小玉嗎 |
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我跟委員報告因為這是農業部在協助的第一個部分 整個的農防團裡面你剛才講的浦芳就是他們浦芳的飼料工會會不會造成物價上漲不會 聯合採購可能會降低它的進口成本所以不會造成物價上漲對 它反而會降低進口成本所以我三個原則講一下就是一個我們進口需要的 |
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一個是畜牧業他買飼料需要的第三個是要保護消費者的權利這三個原則這是企業的邏輯是說以前他有需要他可以跟各國去買現在如果是配合政府擴大只跟單一國家買那他認為成本會提高嗎不會 這個是聯合採購的優越那你覺得不會你要講一個跟他們溝通因為如果成本提高我擔心的是物價會提高 |
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那你如果認為不會那你們可以跟企業講然後再來因為沒有很多時間我希望不要一直打岔我想問一下預算的問題明年總預算送過來是350億比今年的總預算還高因為今年最後決算是 |
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兩兆九千多億嘛明年的預算又變多了如果加上追加預算的話明年比今年只會多222億反正明年有變多第一個明年變多第二個是中央要給地方的錢一直在砍嘛比如說我是新北市你們給我們新北市的捷運砍了大概九十億明年就砍了九十億 |
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所以中央的預算膨脹然後給地方錢又變少情況之下明年中央的預算其實是可支用的是變比較多啊多很多現在按照你們的規劃那我現在是有兩個問題第一個因為我們今天討論的是那個韌性韌性的部分有很多預算看起來好像不知道為什麼會編在特別預算裡比如說像這一個是要辦理強化獨居老人關懷服務計畫這個東西 |
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這個東西當然我覺得要做可是實際上你這個跟年度預算又很像請問一下明年年度預算有沒有編類似強化獨居老人關懷計畫的預算沒有編這個項目因為我們考慮到說關稅談判結果也許會造成一些國內的衝擊所以這些獨居老人的弱勢要加強照顧所以編在這個裡面 |
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那你年度預算裡面有沒有編強化的獨居所以年度預算平常就沒有在照顧獨居老人都沒有在關懷獨居老人沒有重疊沒有單獨這一項 有一般的社會福利那第二個我想問一下因為現在地方政府常常感覺開盲盒啦譬如說我剛講的捷運他去申請跟中央申請補助的時候中央忽然講說對不起明年我少給你72%他說我現在還知道那為什麼不能一次跟地方 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝葉仁智委員資訊也謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長貝馨 謝謝 |