| IVOD_ID |
163799 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163799 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T11:16:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T11:31:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890577a2f143685f5f3704543300bdabf029c82953a25bf8a3411b1cec9fb31ec975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:03 - 11:31:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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院長好 坊間有一個聲音說我們搬走了一個台積電還不夠 還要再送一個產業科技園區這個聲音出來 政府絕對有這個責任 要讓民眾去清楚 讓產業去了解 這非常重要 |
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當然我們看到目前為止所謂提出的在我們剛開始的時候還沒有談判台積電雙手奉餘1650億美元的一個投資開始談判之後美方一直要求必須加碼 加碼 加碼這個是我們聽到的訊息 |
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到目前為止當然我們看到談判小組團隊說沒有所謂的五五分沒有所謂的五五分所以大家瞪大了眼睛看既然沒有所謂的五五分除了瞪大眼睛還豎著耳朵聽政府要帶領我們怎麼辦政府說我們有一個模式我們要做一個產業科技人區所以在這樣的情況之下本席首先要請教 |
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我們既然有談判組已經提出了這樣的論述那我本行要代表民眾來聽聽行政院到底要帶我們民眾產業民眾怎麼生活 產業怎麼去鏈接所以要請教 首先要請教到底你這個產業園區 你的規模有多大 |
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你到底要投資多少金額到底你關鍵的技術有哪些你會過去到底有多少的廠家會過去請教好 謝謝委員這是一個非常好的引申的問題我們先看台灣過去我們幾十年前設立的我們的科學園區 |
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我們到今天有各地好多的園區都出現了全球都在想台灣為什麼會有這樣的園區設立的模式他們都很想複製當初我們設新竹科學園區的時候你到今天也不知道今天會這麼大這麼多廠商這麼多投資這麼多營業 |
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因為當初設立的人就是有這個願景他們按部就班逐步達成不可能一個政府在設立任何的一個行政政策他沒有他的KPI所以這句話本席給予你否定所以全世界正在想台灣這種成功的模式能不能複製的情況之下 |
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肯定的說沒有辦法複製到底我們沒有辦法複製所以我們是非常耐心的但是你今天要針對本席的提問到底你要到美國要去設立的這個產業園區規模有多大你們預估會有多少廠家他對台灣的衝擊是什麼投資金額是什麼 |
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我刚刚被委员否定的就是说当初的科学园区也是小小的园区到今天这么大我们现在到美国去如果大家会成立一个园区我的重点你还没有讲出来什么小小的新竹科学园区我们的园区是一个服务园区我们是一个服务的园区服务国内的厂商为主请问你现在要 |
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所說的沒有 是不是就是沒有五五分是不是沒有五五分沒有五五分 好那接下來本下請問我們所要創立的模式那它的規模有多大它的總投資額到底是有多少妳是說廠商投資的還是妳剛剛說的園區 |
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廠商投資嗎你現在所謂沒有五五分嘛那你說我們有一個模式跟等於是plant一個計畫嘛你要設立了一個科研園區嘛包括台積公司跟其他的廠商他們要到美國去設廠這是一個全球佈局的過程 |
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政府是鼓勵而且可以協助的那你的規模有多大那是廠商自己決定啊產業自己決定啊當然是要跟廠商參詳嘛但是你政府竟然提出你一定有你的計畫內容啊你不可能你沒有計畫嘛你也不可能沒有額度嘛你也不可能沒有他的項目別嘛院長我們不能跟廠商指定說你在什麼時候投資多少錢到哪裡去 |
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廠商要做支援球的布局 我們都同意啊你這麼說 讓民眾更加的摩薩薩本席希望 你好好去討論因為到談判到現在我們到底 我們政府談判的策略到底是什麼我們現在看到的成果就是奉送1650億美元 |
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去投資台積電在美國而且美方一直要加碼還好你的說沒有55分所以本期要告訴你到目前為止你的談判到目前為止告訴我們 最近期告訴我們我們沒有55分我們有所謂的產業科研區希望要設立那當然你一定有你的 |
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內容方向產業別關鍵技術是什麼本席希望你好好的去討論你現在沒有辦法回答本席我本席希望民眾希望要能夠有所本的了解他才不會恐慌產業也希望有所本的了解才不會恐慌所以本席希望你好好的去討論到底對我們台灣的產業是衝擊正面或者是負面民眾 |
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有這個權利之道政府更有這個義務要告訴民眾院長對不對這個園區如果這樣來成立是要服務我們的廠商去那邊土地還有各方面的條件都能夠取得而且要有生活的機能而且要提高他的競爭力有嘛 你本來就有規劃嘛你連生活機能都講了嘛所以你必須要讓民眾去了解所以本身要告訴你 |
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我們也不要只有內宣外宣我們要真正的實務也不要只有話術因為產業就是產業本席也最支持我們的產業所以本席一個具體建議也就是到底你們現在要怎麼做你們可以說的要告訴民眾而且不要讓民眾到現在整個談判我們是姆薩薩的因為我們不希望說送了一個台積電還要再不夠 |
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我們剛講過 談判的原則就是以國家的利益 產業的利益 |
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國人的健康跟糧食安全終於有一個共識以國家的利益 以產業的權益跟產業的穩定性以及就業率這個是我們很重要所以你必須有這個責任要將剛剛我們所討論的要能夠讓民眾來瞭解接下來本席要請教我們今天討論的這個議題重點 |
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也要對你們肯定的是說你們最後終於願意面對民意站在在野黨的這個建議從善的去終於要普發先進一萬元所以民眾很期待本期要請教 |
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因為針對於緩解物價高的壓力以及我們整個振興經濟在新加坡在其他國家都已經在做所以我們終於我也肯定你們終於聽到民意願意這麼做所以請教如果說我們現在預算進來如果在10月中就完成請教院長什麼時候會發放正式發放請說明 |
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依照特別條例的規定是在預算通過之後的一個月內會發放所以如果我們現在大家我想藍綠白大家都支持了行政院也支持了我也非常謝謝那所以本市要還是說 |
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月中的時候如果通過你們必須要重塑而且公平的有效的這個方式趕快來發放是不是如此的方向是 準備工作請部長再說明重點預計什麼時候會發跟委員報告你本來通過之後你什麼時候會發太平一算通過以後總統公布一個月以內一定發放那我們一定會把時間縮短盡快那目前的前置作業都在積極進行當中更多的包含系統 |
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還有ATM也可以領其實我們跟委員報告上一次的分析結果大家到網站去登記入帳的大概占了差不多接近五成剩下另外還有很大一個部分是ATM這兩個部分一定要好好的做讓大部分的民眾用最方便的方式領到還有一個就是我們直接發放照冊直接發放這個部分的清澈都要持續的核對因為有很多民眾同步進行所以我們會用最快的速度盡快的來辦 |
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速度那個那個院長那麼我們是不是可以這麼解讀十月底就大概可以進行發放的工作因為現在同步進行如果當然一切順利的話馬上就可以發放 |
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這個非常好 終於藍綠白行政院院計大家都同意也就是幫助緩解物價高的壓力以及振興我們國內產業的一個刺激這個對我們小商店街來講是非常非常的重要所以就成為院長所說的 儘快來放我們的解讀是在10月底就可以來做放我們也勉勵相關單位所有的程序趕快同步進行去 |
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延末成功 |
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都是編列特別預算為基準那等於也是加重我們的財務的一個負擔的負債那多數你特別預算就會排除到什麼法呢排除到這個預算法排除到公共債務法排除到這個財政紀律 |
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等這個規範 因為是特別所以會排除到這些我們看到到目前累計的特別預算的這個部分舉債是3.4兆已經高於我們年度最高的3.1兆的總預算如果持續的以這種方式來控管債務的一個流量如果以這種方式就走旁門 |
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來控管債務的這個流量管制那可能也會持續的增加整個公共債務的一個攀升那所以呢預算中心也特別提到了中華政府每一年你以公共債務一年以上你的公共債務沒有還的有多少呢有5兆多那換句話說平均值每一個人的負債就是剛才本市所說的是這個25.6萬 |
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在這樣如果以目前為止一個人25.6萬然後不再增加公共債務的情況之下那你115年明年度你還債的還本是多少呢是1265億元如果以這樣的基準數來計算那等於要46年才可以還得完 |
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那個院長所以本席要告訴你待會跟你回答本席要告訴你我們的特別預算裡頭的項目你有很多跟年度公務預算是相重疊喔比如說我們的弱勢關懷老弱補助啊我們有增加項目跟內容啊 |
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對 獨居老人項目你先不要緊張本席告訴你中低收入戶還有支通的部分這個在公務預算裡頭都有那是不是有重疊本席具體告訴你因為這一次的舉債是1056億元 |
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那如果是這樣子的一個情況之下你們是不是在去盤點如果有重複的務必要拿掉因為都是人民的納稅錢所以本席要說的是你如果沒有辦法去改變這樣的方式那你的財政紀律怎麼可能會穩定呢所以本席要請教院長 |
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在這樣的數字當然是很沉重你們除了編列特別預算之外來避開整個公共債務的一個流量管制還有沒有其他的財源來源可以能夠生財出來剛剛委員在第一段的時候很鼓勵我們盡快發放現金第二段的時候你又說我們舉債過多 |
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院長 您身為院長我是蠻尊重你你這樣講我又要給你負分喔我們的舉債是這個樣子來的啊我們現金是超徵稅收啊跟這個預算是不在的啊對不對 你這四年超徵的這麼多是拿這個來算所以當我們在質詢的時候我們希望見到的是院長 你的政策 |
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是希望聽到你的政策 院長我們是有遵守財政紀律而且所有的舉債沒有去違背公債法還有財政紀律法 都是管控而債務的計算不是用這個本席要問院長 謝謝你謝謝 實現了關係本席請問院長舉債跟還款在剛剛本席所講的一個基礎面你們的計畫是什麼 |
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如果依照現在還款你要46年才可以還得完不再舉債喔所以本席具體請教我們每年在預算裡面都有法定的還完債務而且我們還增加還債除了預算數之外我們還增加還債對 差不多依照本席希望聽到你的答案就是舉債跟還款的計畫我希望你一份書面資料給本席那沒問題 好不好我再問院長 可以嗎 |
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院長 多久時間可以給本席這個都是公開而且正確的說明多久時間可以給本席這個財政部馬上可以提供這有現存馬上給本席本席就希望你在取債跟還款的時候你要冷靜的有政策才能夠達到財政紀律的一個平等好的好 謝謝楊瓊瑜委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝報案院會 |