| IVOD_ID |
163797 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163797 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T10:42:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T10:59:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/095f1cfadbf5b890da6e0ce66730d1e2704543300bdabf029c82953a25bf8a34849987ba386f8b6b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:48 - 10:59:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝韓院長 請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢蔣委員早今天大家最關心的就是普發現金一萬年你剛才特別強調說要儘快嘛 對不對事實上 |
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在國民黨跟民眾黨的提案是希望在10月底要開始發放這在原來通過的三讀條文是有的可是後來一波三折後來又提了修正案所以今天能不能從你嘴巴很清楚的跟全民講 |
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在十月底可以開始發放因為第一個今天復委完之後下個禮拜我們行程已經排好了財政跟經濟聯席會在下個禮拜三跟四最晚禮拜四就會送回宴會了然後到這個時程應該在十月十四號最晚十七號可以完成立法院的三讀可是現在有一個有一個關卡可能會卡住因為你的新的這個條例裡面說 |
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要特別預算公告完一個月內開始發放嘛對不對這裡面有彈性啦你今天能不能清楚因為立法院已經快加編了委員會快下個禮拜我們院會應該也很快你今天能不能承諾如果一切順利在最晚最晚在10月底讓果花一萬塊入帳給大家可以領得到最重要的原則是立法院程序快 |
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行政院就發放的就會快所以大家都必須快跟快但是一切也要讓整個準備的作業要能夠詳實完整因為要發放2350萬人以上的發放作業是相當大的雖然我們有112年6000元的發放平台當做基礎我們現在在把它進行優化而且今年比較 |
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過去不一樣的是我們要防範很多的詐騙行為你看一段時間好多詐騙已經發生一旦我們通過之後可能那個更多所以我們要把詐騙的安全讓他做到這個治安更安全的狀態行政院的這個流程剛我已經跟他報告報告了已經快馬加鞭最晚在10月17號應該可以三讀通過了接下來反而是你這邊了你剛講 |
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這個整個作業你現在應該開始要測試啊你現在ATM的這個櫃台機你內容是不是有變更 |
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當初收銀商六千的時候那一套現在是可以繼續用的嘛對不對可是領六千跟一萬你完成變更了沒有第二個你開始測試了沒有這個現在要趕快做好不好這已經在準備在做了要趕快做這個要先做那第二次我剛講的你的條文裡面把我們十月底這個修掉了現在你就要盡快好不好往十月底的可以做的方式你自己要趕快做好不好你幫他拉來一百過了結果你因為你的流程延誤了搞到十一月才發放好不好 |
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大院審查的程序快我們就會加快但是如果是11月17號到月底只有13天中間還有廉價我們希望能夠更充分的準備所以你現在就趕快做啊包括ATM貴來機這個還有整個測試不用急 我們會很快的做對嘛 這個都是現在可以做的嘛對不對 部長在點頭對 趕快做 部長我強調一下 是老蔣 為什麼延誤到現在在討論這個議題 |
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你大概是第一個發錢也是唯一一個發錢給人家還被人家罵的這個院長 |
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就是一開始你提什麼違憲 後來又有排戶弄到後來就加了一個什麼不要領來一個選項對不對你看連周一坤都罵 那討論而已那個沒有加 那個只是研議而已沒有加在這個整個 現在五個選項當中沒有加 當初民間團體來要求的是我們是去做研議研議的結果認為最自然的保障還要必須周延 所以並沒有加那個完全沒有延誤 我跟委員報告這個預算案我們是9月11號就送到大院了 |
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今天是12月 時間是10月3號我們並沒有延誤太多我9月11號所以必須要清楚我們是哪有延誤沒有那個選項委員 委員 |
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委員我沒有那個選項喔沒有那個選項喔你不要說我沒有那個選項喔我跟委員報告9月11號9月11號我們預算案就送來啦 |
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為什麼9月11號要到今天10月3號呢我現在跟你說 之前你一開始講到微信後來說到排骨 後來又說到這個選項 那你後來都改了啦都改了就好 可是時間上你完全不了解狀況 我們沒有改我剛剛講的這三個不都是你 |
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欸 你翻車 翻了三次我把這個聲像跟你講 叫你檢討你現在又說我不瞭解不要硬拗拗我在提醒你 更重要的不要再出現橫生直結了10月底趕快拋棒我9月11號就送來了 到今天已經快一個月了委員 我們前日作業都在進行當中而且積極的在辦事你今天測試了嘛 對不對對測試 改了ATM那個ATM這一次還增加了加速增加1000多家的ATM機台 對 |
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好 OK接下來我們要談專業的請經濟部長 經濟部長一起上來麻煩請經濟部長備詢時間停一下時間暫停財政部長要在我們要談專業的財政部長跟經濟部長一起上來麻煩再請財政部長備詢委員好 |
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這一天啊從美國商務部長講到這個台美晶片五五分之後包括昨天鄭麗菁副院長開了記者會講台灣製造很多人在擔心的是我們的台積電會不會真的五五分變半瓶三了今天我的問題都非常直接所以要問專業的昨天記者會 |
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鄭麗君提到說這是一個台灣模式他真正的台灣模式包裝的是什麼就是對美要擴大投資嘛對不對所以真正的關鍵點在什麼地方你像日本南韓他們去擴大投資日本多了投資5500億嘛南韓多少3500億對不對所以他們得到了什麼他們把本來關稅是20%降到了15%所以現在有兩個很大的問題了台灣製造真正的關鍵是什麼是兩個第一個 |
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請問到底台灣製造我們要投資美國擴大投資多少錢就是你這個產業聚落到底要從台灣搬多少錢去這是第一個題目第二個也很重要有因為這樣子我們的關稅會降下來嗎這個題目院長還是 |
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你剛才提到會不會有五五分剛才秀出來政府院長已經講說我們不會同意政府院長也講所謂的五五分我們不會同意昨天政府院長已經有這樣的回答了五五分不會同意要怎麼做等一下我會問你我現在問你的是你們現在的台灣模式就是對美擴大投資那現在到底要投資多少錢 |
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所有的投資基本上都是企業界他們在做規劃企業支持去嘛 對不對我們要做信用保證嘛 對不對我們從旁協助嘛金融上的支持是一部分其他的還有行政上的協助其他的協助現在日本跟南海有提到某部分是民間去啦我現在問你到底我們要擴大投資不管是政府或民間到底要多少錢去我們產業的節奏還是立足台灣佈局全球立足台灣還是要先嘛 |
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像日本就投資了5500億嘛他本來兩邊在談的時候日本說要投資4000億嘛對不對川普把他大筆一揮說你要提高5500億本來利潤是平分他說我們美國要再90%嘛我現在就問你人家都那麼具體你現在提出台灣模式人家有日本模式 南韓模式嘛你的投資金額是多少啦 |
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我們跟他不一樣 他是拿一筆錢出來但是他們還有爭議我們不是 我們是協助廠商對外全球佈局所以他主動權是在廠商所以廠商有需求我們才會提出支持他們不一樣所以你有精算過就像日本跟南韓這樣我們到底有多少的企業或者是政府要進去的錢是多少 |
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你總要有一個金額啊現在我們說台灣台灣現在大概是全世界現在在談高關稅談判談到目前沒有那個數目是出現的對不對我剛講的很具體嘛日本有 美國有 印度有歐盟有 歐盟4500億嘛 |
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那你現在提出台灣模式你真正的現在很多專家寫者在問這個問題啊你到底要去擴這個就是擴大投資對不對到底要投資多少錢你們沒有精算過嗎你們昨天已經提出來了去跟美國談過了應該知道要投資多少錢吧因為我們有盤點過廠商的意願但是這廠商的意願可能要有所以盤點過你要跟美國談的時候你提出來是我們可能擴大投資多少錢因為這個牽扯到你投資多少錢你能夠才能夠把你的關稅降下來不是嗎 |
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你到現在沒有精算過這個啊你當初去跟美國談怎麼談的沒有嗎 還是你不用跟我講不用跟你講嗎我們當然有反應現在廠商他的意願上的表達是如何這個是有表達給美方部長 所以搞不清楚 你們沒有精算過這個投資金額是多大扣到投資是多大嗎 |
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你是不願意講還是沒有 正常狀況下不應該沒有嘛很多專家寫者都在質疑說全世界金額都出現了台灣到現在沒有 欸 昨天有一個台灣模式講出來了你是要趕快欺騙全台灣的民眾還是你不願意講還是沒有精算你跟美國談的時候你給他數目是多少啦我沒有參與談判 所以實際上談判的過程我並不是非常了解那這樣好不好 部長跟你講 你們回去要跟 |
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這個數目要早一點跟民眾講第二個更重要了昨天副院長有提到有進展希望把關稅可以降下來我們現在有期待因為我們提出了台灣模式了過幾天你們可能會跟大家很明確的講到底因為這樣努力我們的關稅可以降到多少有降的趨勢出來嗎 |
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跟委員報告國際談判的習慣就是在到最後的總結結論出來之前我們不宜說出現在雙方談判的條件你剛所說的對等關稅什麼是合理的對等關稅以及雙方在投資在採購上面有沒有做過一些什麼承諾我只能跟你講 |
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對等關稅我們在爭取合理的對等關稅但是對於投資跟採購目前我們有提出一些想法但是還沒有達到最後承諾的這個階段所以我們不便在這裡說而且投資的部分是廠商去投資政府沒有立場說要廠商投多少後來政府你一定要跟南南跟日本跟印度一樣你一個數目字然後現在最重要的 院長 |
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我們的效率沒有那麼差啦也沒有那麼樣的一個黑箱啦全世界你看美國那個日本跟南海現在不繼續在談嗎南海現在美國川普突然講喔你這3500億不是慢慢來喔他叫他要 |
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要現金白銀啊他說你現在馬上來啊結果現在不就出來講了我外匯存底才4100億你叫我馬上拿3500出來我就重演97年的金融風暴啊人家都是透明的嘛就在談的過程裡面有些東西是要具體的我現在跟你講的就是說該跟人民講的第一個你效率不能這麼差談這麼久沒談下來第二個你該跟人民講的剛我光是我剛講的第一個 |
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要投資金的事 第二個也很重要我問副總 這個很重要很多人很關心委員你這個就清楚了關於外媒的報導日本韓國跟美國談好的過程結論出來之後他們現在都有一點點不同的意志表達出來所以我是覺得 |
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談得快不如談得好我們好好的談談到最有利我國的產業國家的利益最有利我國的人民這個部分我們好好的談我們拖太久了啦現在已經出現多少無薪假 |
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有些企業現在都在上四天班上 變成休三了有些是倒閉了那個趨勢現在進行是 我們是20加N你如果說你現在是像日本跟南韓已經降到15%我們現在比別人高 結果還是談不下來人民黨現在更重要 就是你現在部長要回答這個事情現在台灣模式到底不是就金額的問題了 |
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有多少的企業要過去有多少的工作機會多少的人才會流到美國去造成的產力外移 你有計算過嗎你在找企業講對不對有沒有算過我們會減少多少的工作機會就業機會 |
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包委員我剛才還是提到立足台灣佈局全球立足台灣是根本所以沒有所謂的外移這是力量的延伸他沒有因為說大家寫者最近這一個月特別從昨天開始有多少人你們看看報導好不好沒有因為說你一個產業美國一個產業園區台灣怎麼當然是資金的資金會過去人才會過去嘛所以說你要趕快精算出來嘛你本來就應該有來更重要來我們看一下來 |
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很多專家寫者昨天去做了一個對比看鄭義新開了記者會完之後大家看看兩邊的這個你們一直講說我們沒有討論也不會答應美國的商務部長說一定要五五分我們提出了四個重點你有沒有發現四個重點不能說很像只能說一模一樣你的右邊的這四個要點 |
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幾乎都是達成你本來不要的盧特尼克美國商業部長要的一共啥希望在川普結束任期前將他們今天的支持力要提升到40%投資金額要超過5000億並且要涵蓋從設計到封裝的完整供應鏈下面更重要一共啥唯有把整條供應鏈帶回去美國 |
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才能夠達成讓台灣參與喔而且你要同意參與供應鏈這就是川普政府 川普的魔力川普的魔力讓你們擇福了嗎你看你右邊的四點 來 你看這樣我指的是企業要去喔 你們去幫他整合完第二個 你還做金融的信保機制去支持他的企業投資 所以我剛問你嘛你到底要去信保多少錢要去多少錢 這是不是他講的這個五千億嗎 |
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日本5500億 南韓3500億我們這個信保到底要承諾多少錢這筆錢要不要的回來第三個從科學研究的經驗打造美國的巨肉這不都是幫他完成嗎所以我明確的要求不要只有嘴巴講說我不討論也不答應 |
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好 謝謝張祺凱委員資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部委首長貝許昀 謝謝 |