| IVOD_ID |
163786 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163786 |
| 日期 |
2025-09-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-4-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第1次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-09-19T16:15:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-09-19T16:36:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8e361f1746a13958ba9b8d77a626675a92108cb222197a2d3359dbf60a5987f5f2364352bfb7cb845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:15:41 - 16:36:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-09-19T15:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第1次全院委員會會議（事由：總統咨，為審計部審計長陳瑞敏任期於114年10月1日屆滿，茲依據憲法第一百零四條規定，提名陳瑞敏續任審計部審計長，咨請同意案。） |
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謝謝主席韓院長以及各位先進有請我們沈記長麻煩被提名人陳沈記長委員好沈記長你好我還是稱你沈記長因為你現任就是沈記長這個因為你在 |
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生技部的報告裡面有廠長去找出來現在政府施政的一些問題所以執政黨立委對你非常不友善所以你被提名了 續任了老實講 英文叫做To my surprise我有一點詫異 |
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你自己感覺怎麼樣賴總統在提名你的時候你心裡是什麼心理我因為想休息了所以沒有續任的打算原來沒有續任打算對 因為有替國家做一點事情已滿足了所以是有點驚喜 |
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尊感還是有責任但是在審計部他有他審計的價值他可以為國家為人民做一點事所以你是驚喜驚喜不一定就很難形容 |
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驚訝 驚訝不太像驚訝啦也不太說歡喜啦就是好像責任還沒有那個彈珠還沒有卸下我是有點驚訝啦因為在比如說疫苗的事情 雞蛋的事情你們的單位很敢提出一些數字很好 |
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但是後來也沒有很驚訝因為你也是高高舉舉輕輕放下你的用事請辭也都是四平八穩也不太敢去得罪黨黨變成這樣了我們來看喔我們來看比如說最大條的事情最該你應該去auditing的就是卓榮泰院長他怎麼可以不依法行政 |
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立法院我們韓院長這麼辛苦在主持垂直一敲三讀通過的法案他為什麼可以不編預算去年的總預算已經這樣編了已經這樣編了 禁法補償不列今年警察人員的待遇條例警校的一個他的退休的提高特別是軍人 |
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每個月多3萬塊的經營條例他不變審計部就應該講話啦這個還在立法院的預算審理前請問你 你有沒有事情審理 |
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我們沒有事前審議的失蹤審議沒有失蹤審議因為這個還在還沒有經過大案通過大案通過我們有會議警會那個這個還在大案的 這個是尊重大案的審議前我就問你 今年的預算114年他不按照不依法編列進場補償進場補償 你要怎麼辦這個部分 已經事後了 |
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這個部分 大院有意見 他已經追加預算了追加預算 把你砍掉以後再追加 還是砍掉啦他好像追加預算有進化補償喔對不對 還是砍掉啦所以我的意思是說 你都沒有角色啊我不能跳來最前面 因為這個是憲法體制所以是什麼 這個叫做違法 |
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違背憲法 違背預算法這個是立法案編 行政院在編的時候可能要稍微注意到這個法律上的一個規定啦老實請問你嘛 他這樣編有沒有違反預算法預算法寫得很清楚嗎三組通過的法案你就要編預算了他是行政院怎麼思考的我不太了解 |
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所以就你會被提名在這裡你就很體貼嘛表面上說歐法的手藝 你說歐法的手藝你會做人 老實說是這樣啦齁 這些東西 唉唷你看那個數字 喔 這個執政黨的立委給你拿去死執政黨的立委給你拿去死 在野黨的立委就會疼惜你這不是你厲害的地方咧 |
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這個我們都是依法行政 依照我的主責來做這種事情行政院亂砍終結預算 北截預算北截預算砍了650億 終結砍了96%這個東西你會不要生氣一下 |
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這個還在他那個補助款還沒有補助辦法還沒有送到大安備查大安要不要備查 大安備查以後我們就會注意這個事情我們來看現在我們都知道中央政府給地方的錢三部分 |
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第一大部分就是統籌分配稅款第二一般補助款第三計畫性補助款請問你一般補助款是不是法定義務是不是 |
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是不是你告訴我在總預算案裡面是列為在那個法定支出的表裡面是列一般性的它是法定義務支出喔它有這樣列 那個憲法也有稍微現在一直講說財化法有什麼窮者越窮富者越富這個叫因為你把這三個加起來才能算 我們就算一個東西來我們來看下一頁 |
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我把這三個東西算進來台北市台北市最多多了450億台北市112年度把這個全部加進來補助的收入加進來全部加進來台北市第3名113年第4名114年第5名台北市哪裏有最多 |
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你要一起看啦你不能見數不見零你不能只看所謂統籌分別稅款還有一般補助款還有計畫性補助款這個所以喔這個錢喔 老實講執政黨不必在那裡說裝窮啊根本手上都在執政黨手上因為台下就很清楚啊左手給你錢 用什麼錢拿回來 |
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所以這個觀念那個集錢的觀念錢都放在中央的口袋修修都不變到現在為止都不變這個事情老實講讓這個整個來講就這樣這個這只是才化法修法只有離島一小部分然後行政院 |
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小蹄大皺 魚目混珠 混水摸魚所以要重新來修這個長髮你知道要怎麼去啦這個 老實講這個你應該記錄欸你們審計部都沒有小事欸你就看立法院的行政在那裡你都沒有小事 你都不講話 |
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這個財化法是要中央要謀全國經濟平衡發展阿餅就這麼大所以中央阿地方要做下來大家好好的把做到大家都能夠兼顧到每一個縣市每一個阿你的角色勒你的角色勒請問審計部的角色勒因為這個還在我都在講這個都一些法律規定都還在大院的身上 |
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什麼意思我聽不懂就是說補助辦法好像送到他在行政院好像有送來大院來看因為要經過大院被查他現在就這樣子所以逼著我我已經提案了補助辦法現在行政院命令我們要提高位階叫補助條例變成法律案好的你的補助就一定依法不可以隨便補助現在就是完全是中央政府高興的多給你一點不高興的少給你一點 |
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砍顏色中央有他全國移住的事情像國防、外交、珠珊、黃紅這些中央也有他要做的事情我們原來是中央地方的錢的分配75對25現在財務法通過以後按照行政院的變化只剩66但是我們目標希望60 |
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中央應該變60不是66所以中央還只想抓在手上還有抓補助款所以說起來中央是很有錢的啦所以錢和市要稍微大家談一下中央和地方談一下錢跟市要一起是錢給地方 事情給地方這個沒有人反對但是你不能夠說因為我錢給你的我一份補助款扣回來不可以這樣子啦 |
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因為我們地方是租給族行很久了所以大概大家可以接下來談一下那個沈機長你沒有聽出我的我的重點在於你什麼都敢申請你對行政院不申請 |
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行政院 行政院這個你答應我是根據答案通過的法例根據答案通過的決議我來做答案通過的預算我來做監督預算執行我是根據答案的一些你告訴我你告訴我你針對行政院做過哪一次的審計去批評他那一件你告訴我一件就好一件行政院一件 |
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他的那個正義先導我有通知他說那個行政院正義先導還有什麼這個我跟你講因為行政院的金額不大我要抓的時候是看有時候金額很大他那個我是用電腦在跑他違反規定我們會教他我要跟你講的是114年的總預算 |
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鬧的這個樣子他不議法編列我們退回我現在就跟你預告他如果就這樣送過來沒有編軍人的三萬塊的加薪的兩百多億我們一樣退回故事重演故事重演故事重演沒有這個時候114年已經遠過了你就要你就要審計我重點一直在放在這個地方就是大的事情這麼大的事情你跟我講文修文那個很小的事情大的事情 |
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他不依法編列已經發生過一年了去年後來他追加預算這時候你要介入你都沒有介入你不敢介入最後我們審計不介入在行政院在行政院或者立法院還在處理的過程中這個我們都尊重行政院的預算編注錢還有尊重大案的審議權請問你會期待六年以後 |
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總統再提名你當省局長了嗎我大概沒有這種期待沒有這種期待沒有這種期待你就放膽 |
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我跟你講N次了 省市長自己大刀 管工大刀你從我上一次提名的時候 你就這樣講對 一直督促我自己刀 自己刀 別給誰先你督促我 建議我很多啦你給他噗噗噗 行政院長你不要噗啦總結一下那個查核平台就是你建議的現在效果很好耶 二十幾萬人耶這個謝謝啦 我的建議就好聽啦但是我要說自己刀要去噗 |
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我們做任何事情還是順眾 還是依法行政好啦 來 我就講 審計部啊 我在看下一頁你真的 為什麼我們這麼多委員會想支持你啊你給我做人咧 我說什麼你都說好啊 好啊 然後你都留一手 |
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你都留一手 留一手什麼 你做好人比如說 就業安定基金7000多億喔7200多億嘛 7000多萬喔對不起 7000多萬喔這個喔 你呢 只有檢列收回為什麼不剔除 不一樣喔 檢列跟剔除不一樣喔你檢列 所以他今年又變2億回來啦 |
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七千多萬變成給你 欸 納稅人的錢讓那個許民春開演唱會讓謝宜龍去一間廚房 煮個水水水這些錢都是老闆先買單結果你把他什麼 把他檢列 你看 我有做噢 在那一檔才說嗯 不錯 在那一檔說啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵啵 |
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我檢列 我六年來檢列一千四百多億目前已經繳酷了兩三百億你檢列有些要剔除 這個要剔除這個用在私人的身上那個法院在做判決那個已經送書法了 也送檢查了這個部分我們都做了 |
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我們也在看要求勞動部好好的查明這個到底在你勞動部是否我問你你又回答我問題了你為什麼不敢用剔除因為剔除啊剔除要很明確才是這個救護法明確嗎請民進台演唱會不明確嗎 |
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這個救護法他是用勞工性平他是有關這樣的一個情形所以這個救護法我們用就業服務法請勞動部查明這個我們已經進到勞動部我們問了他一下他今天沒有編那麼多 沒有編 |
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936.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
沒有變料補回去他還在查變糧液補回去喔沒有沒有沒有沒有所以委員剛剛講的那個勞動部給我給我們的說明那這筆錢被我花掉七千多萬怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
939.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
962.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
他要好好查明以後 如果公務的要經過行政院編列 答應審理通過如果是適用的法官會判 他末日所得那末日所得 那個勞動部要去領回啊 要去請求啊法院判是根據你 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
963.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
990.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
如果你直接給他剔除法院判就不一樣了他就是要求他配因為沒有經過法院判決我們做任何事情依法行政還要很明確的一些規定你用錢類不用剔除就是老祖國我們大部分就是因為不跟你扯這個來人員政策我也要講這個這個你幾乎也不敢批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
992.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1010.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
錯誤的人權政策你也不敢批評來我們看離岸風電都要發展因為我們要求local content國產的要自治要多少30%過去要求所以我們本座囤購的電價超過國際4.3塊一度4.3塊20年來我們台電增加的購電成本9100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1020.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1031.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
光電大家都知道光電等於另外一個字四個字叫官商勾結光電的成本平均高於國際一度三塊錢我們現在來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1033.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1053.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
光電跟風電加起來也幾個百分比而已啊為什麼不用便宜的而且這麼貴現在備轉容量最近這幾天備轉容量只有3.8%到橘燈橘燈下來就是紅燈紅燈下來就黑燈就不看電了這麼嚴重的事情我們沒有看到你省下一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1054.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1062.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
這件事情你們先審計一下我們有審計你要這樣的話離岸風電我們有處理過有一些蓋在那個飛行服務區的我們說這不行 這影響飛安 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1070.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1091.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
他要處理掉光電我們查到那個彰化那個是有一點一點差不多要到我們也要他移送夥伴那個台南的那個光電我們也有查所以大概如果我們發現我們損失發現我們一定作為我現在跟你講這個是我跟你我一直在強調的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1092.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
就是你現在都在比較技術面去認真你們的人去認真 那可以但是大方向你不敢跑你對行政院不敢跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1104.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1127.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
我就告訴你 我現在對你的期待因為你幾可能會過的你幾可能會過的那我就對你期待你應該不會想未來的六年你這次六年已經surprise了所以請你那個大刀準備向行政院 運營部的一些的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1128.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1155.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
人員政策是錯的人員政策是錯的你都不敢批評你講都不敢講我們有提過很多意見你沒有提過像台電的備載容量不夠備載容量有問題他的備用容量有問題我們通通都請他要注意你有沒有講過他的人員政策錯誤有沒有講這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1157.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1172.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
沒有啊那個能源政策 那是政策政策我們要尊重你的前一任的審計長林青龍因為我行這個一般審計部沒有到那個我是根據政策來審計 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1175.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1198.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我跟你講 你的前一任審計長叫林慶榮他就敢講 你就不敢講這也是你會做官的地方最後一項 因為我時間不多了你知道我們現在對美關稅攤販軍售商售 你知道吧我們現在第一個我們有200億美金的錢都付了東西都沒有來你要不要吹一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1198.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1224.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
有 這我們查過了是三千多億 有一些萬了我們有的先互去 互去的他要做實踐 我們刪掉他第二個第二個 我要先 已經到了能不能要求我們的盡量要改為商售因為算在貿易逆差裡面有利於關稅談判 可不可以這個是很大的事情 可能要好好的 國安部好好檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1233.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1233.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
好 謝謝 |