| IVOD_ID |
163633 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163633 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-26T15:56:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-26T16:12:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/97036d915349e790fba090cd5ee797047691804860db32efe185d5441d45b825ea2fa0b0c1a4ccb95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:56:00 - 16:12:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢不好意思 請問一下今天經濟部有沒有過來有次長有來是次長請經濟部備詢王委員好 |
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好 院長 次長在我們這次災後重建這個預算裡面也會比非常重要的就是因為呢這次它缺電的時間非常多很長所以呢在特別預算裡面有編列了就是防災韌性就是有關於電網韌性相關的預算那我們把它算一下大概 |
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全部加起來超過100億109億1720萬這是有關於電網韌性的部分在我們的災後重建基金重建預算裡面 |
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另外我们现在还有一个特别条例也送过来当然很多人讲是普发现金跟支援产业因应对等关税但是其中又是有一个电网任性 |
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200億所以我們追加預算 對不起兩個特別預算災後重建跟強化韌性特別條例兩個預算309億要補貼給電網韌性那我們都知道在 |
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上一次今年度的台電的1000億的預算裡面撥補1000億我們把它刪掉所以我想請問一下這個電網韌性真的是用於電網韌性還是變相的撥補這是第一個問題第二個問題我想請問院長您知不知道 |
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台電在過去曾經推出超過5600億的一個電網韌性方案你知道那請問次長這個方案已經執行幾年了 |
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跟委員報告這個方案已經從111年我們有編列這個預算到現在已經第4年那最主要我們是把過去集中式的電網希望能夠把它改成分散式的電網也就是這邊講到第一項分散工程那第二項強固工程的部分就是一些老舊的設施那我們要把它汰換甚至我們要擴充一些我現在問你的是 |
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他一共是幾年的計劃五千六百多億幾年計劃是跟委員報告這本來是十年的計劃我們希望把它縮短成六年現在要縮短六年執行到第四年了用了多少錢 |
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我們回去再提供資料給委員連你用多少錢你都不知道但是你現在要跟我們再要309億所以我要問的是 |
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從111年台電就已經針對電網韌性部分就是因為過去這樣很多小動物小松鼠蛇什麼穿山甲一大堆的所以說要用電網韌性也用了5645億我們政府還參加台電的增資對不對為了要增加這些錢我只問錢去哪裡了 |
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為什麼如果按照十年計劃每一年起碼有超過560億在執行然後執行到現在你還要錢 |
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跟我們報告 這裡面的110億是針對這一次那麼大的電塔倒下來還有3000多根電桿倒下來 要去秋戶的錢任性條例的 是我們要針對幾個科學園區我們發覺任性不足 我們要把它加強 |
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那您說的那個本來10年5600億我們把它縮短4年到現在應該是縮短總共6年 因為執行2年那你到現在連錢多少 花了多少錢都那個部分我們會請台電你花多少錢都沒有辦法告訴我 |
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就只是一味的要錢原來強化的計畫逐年在進行所以前兩部分是新增加出來的想法電文任性起碼要了300億這兩個特別條例5645億錢花到哪裡去錢花了什麼你現在把它變成6年花了多少錢我也都不知道我們請台電馬上整理出來向委員報告請盡快整理那是逐年該做的事情所以我們一再講 |
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我們為什麼要監督對不對 我們為什麼要審查預算不是刪預算 叫做亂刪預算我這個話 立法院不需要立法委員只要有個橡皮圖章就好了你要多少錢我就代給你就好了我們就必須要完整的向委員做說明好 那先時間暫停一下 那個次長可以請回我請那個環境部長時間暫停 請環境部長備詢 |
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在這次的丹納斯颱風一直到後來的風災光電板 光電垃圾 光電墳墓引起了國人的重視 |
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那你一開始說他沒有毒啊那我們覺得沒有毒那為什麼一定要趕快去清理呢那一個有13.5萬片受損災後一個月光碟板仍然沒有清完請問一下部長到底什麼時候才會把它清的完 |
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好 報告委員第一個是當地的很多的漁民告訴我說因為很多人說光電板有毒 魚都不能吃所以造成他們的困擾他們要我一定要說得出來那我們也的確到現場測了三次的滯洪池因為那個都不是雨溫 滯洪池的水質並沒有任何的重金屬或各種的污染所以我才說出來讓大家可以知道所以我並不是說 像委員說的 |
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至於說清楚基本上我們在發生災害的兩個禮拜後其實已經清楚遠離池面上現在33個受損的案場只剩下一個場就叫新莊志宏寺只剩下一個場所以你覺得清理的成績很棒囉 |
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當然那家公司他要自己清除他要自己負責清除的什麼時候清到什麼時候他目前給我們的承諾因為我們已經罰到最重的300萬可以連續連續再開罰那他最近給我們的一個計劃書他是預計在9月5號那我們就在審查當中9月5號如果仍然不能清除政府要接手嗎 |
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如果他還是這樣破壞環境我們會依照廢清法71條我們要代位求償我們來清除然後跟他全部的清查表示說我們保護這個環境所以9月5號如果仍然不能清除政府會去接手委員這個接手是我們幫我們環境討回這個公道不是說我們要來付錢喔 |
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我了解啊 你都還沒看我後面我就說要向業者求償啊我當然知道我怎麼會讓你付錢呢憑什麼讓我們付錢啊憑什麼讓我們納稅人付錢啊這個不會付錢是我們要跟他們做求償的我的意思是說你們什麼時候會接手 |
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基本上我們還在審他的這個計畫書合不合理因為那家公司已經黃流非常多次了這一次事件 院長這一次事件非常特殊我們發展能源這個光電板造成了光電垃圾然後污染我們的製洪池污染我們的農田 污染我們的海域到目前為止都還沒有清完行政效率之低啊 |
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包委已經清完了33個案場 只剩下一個在案邊而已喔只剩下一個 你再講啊 只剩下一個從現在到那次颱風已經多久了 超過一個月 只剩下一個所以我要給你怎麼樣 我給你按個讚好不好 |
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包委員 那個是廠商自己要負的責任那個是廠商自己要負的責任喔院長 今天一個一個問他一直覺得他做得很好 我不懂耶我們要強力監督這些廠商強力監督 監督到現在還沒有清完好 另外 我為什麼再講我說政府先接手 要再向業者求償但是 現在包含光電 很多光電真的 其實倒閉的很多啦 |
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倒閉的很多因為他們很多都是跟銀行貸款的他可以這樣子拍拍屁股走人所以我們這個其實未來要把它建立一套SOP這是像違建一樣違建也是一樣你不拆有時候政府代為 |
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然後代為執行然後是要跟業者求償的但是如果業者倒閉如果業者拍拍屁股走人的時候那這個錢跟誰去清償所以我希望這個案例這一次的教訓我們要建立一套SOP可不可以 院長我們從 |
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歷次的這個案件當中我們都會去深刻的檢討如果讓速度更快 支持面更廣泛那我們的韌性能夠更加強這三個不足我日前已經講過了我希望你們趕快建立SOP時間拜託暫停一下 請部長請回我要請勞動部長時間暫停 請勞動部備詢勞動部長有來嗎 |
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因為他不再重建好我把想成追加預算沒問題勞動部沒有來沒有好院長在上個星期我特別針對救安基金的部分你應該回去應該有所瞭解也就是被踢爆的羅景任導演 |
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他的三個案子都已經被審計部的調查報告裡面直接揪出弊端要求救安基金把這個錢回補進去就是因為他的用途是不符合相關規定的好那你以為就是羅景任導演一個人的事情嗎一個團隊的事 |
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結果我們再深入追查這個救安基金太有鬼了因為他全部都是用開口合約連續三年開口合約每一年都跟三個廠商來簽約這三個廠商每一年都一模一樣民視年代三立驚不驚喜 |
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意不意外搞了半天這個已經被審計部揪出有弊端的三年的開口合約原來真正的廠商是民視三立年代這都是被我們認為跟綠營關係特別好稱之為綠媒有的人稱之為黨媒 |
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每一年他的金額3100萬3700萬3700多萬合計三年一億通通集中這三個廠商這麼集中這麼湊巧過去我們也講過 |
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立法院預算中心就提過我們過去很多的標案特別是沒宣的部分過度集中我記得院長針對這個事情的時候你也認為如果有這樣的問題應該有所檢討對不對是 |
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可是現在的問題來了當然111年112年113年度不是你的你當院長但是他發生的果然又過度集中不但過度集中而且都是開口契約更扯的是這個開口契約最後他結案請款跟原來他契約的內容完全部分不相符合所以為什麼被監察院的審計部揪出弊端 |
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譬如說他裡面的這些開口契約他裡面並沒有什麼音樂會他伸出一個音樂會就是許明春的音樂會伸出了一個音樂會本來他應該是製作影片他應該要有35個好35個影片結果呢沒有他用一個 |
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一個音樂會然後剪出好幾個影片來用這樣來交差一個演唱會謝謝你一個演唱會交差了 |
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還有呢他裡面別說要求有影片要5支你要有網路媒體宣傳電視脫波好5支影片來了他只拍了一部影片你要5支影片對不對這5支影片這5支影片就是這一部影片我給你剪成五個一分鐘的影片交差也拿到錢 |
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你都笑了可以這樣嗎所以審計部過不了關再來影片兩支廣告短片一支也是網路行銷電視拖播很厲害拍一支影片上下集給你一樣錢照樣拿到每一年都可以拿到1000多萬所以我剛我在上個禮拜就講如果 |
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如果你們行政院不究責的話勞動部不究責的話竟然還說救安基金現在這些省基部不認賬的認為有弊端的你還想要編列到公務預算我們絕對不容許所以院長我上個星期就質詢請問一下有關於救安基金的這些弊端 |
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你有去指示嗎?你有要求調查嗎?紅部長上任 我要他做的兩件事一個是對於霸凌事件全面調查第二是提升整個勞動部甚至包括北分署裡面的士氣 工作士氣後來我看看各種的 |
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情況一直在發生我再度要求他就救安基金要全面的去盤查到目前為止我也是這樣跟大家說如果委員說的如果委員剛剛說的就是事情的全貌或者是一部分我會請勞動部將全貌跟委員報告現在應該有的責任那如果該 |
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好 謝謝王宏威委員的質詢 |
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王委員鴻薇：（15時56分）謝謝主席，請卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不好意思！請問一下，今天經濟部有沒有過來？ |
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主席：有。 |
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卓院長榮泰：次長有來。 |
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王委員鴻薇：是次長，好。 |
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主席：請經濟部備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：王委員好！ |
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王委員鴻薇：好！ |
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何次長晉滄：委員好！ |
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王委員鴻薇：好！院長、次長，在我們這次災後重建預算裡面，有一筆非常重要的，就是因為這次停電的時間非常多、很長，所以在特別預算裡面有編列關於電網韌性的相關預算，我們把它算一下，全部加起來，超過100億，有109億1,720萬，這是有關於電網韌性的部分，在我們這次災後重建預算裡面。另外，我們現在還有一個特別條例，也送過來了，當然很多人講這是普發現金及支援產業、因應對等關稅，但是其中又有一個電網韌性200億。所以這次災後重建及強化韌性特別條例這兩個特別預算309億要補貼給電網韌性。 |
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我們都知道，在今年度撥補台電的1,000億預算，我們把它刪掉了，所以我想請問一下，這個電網韌性真的是用於電網韌性…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：還是變相的撥補？這是第一個問題。第二個問題，我想請問院長，您知不知道台電在過去曾經推出一個超過5,600億的電網韌性方案…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是的，沒錯。 |
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王委員鴻薇：您知道，好。請問次長，這個方案已經執行幾年了？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，這個方案從111年我們有編列這個預算到現在已經第四年，最主要我們是把過去集中式的電網希望能夠改成分散式的電網，也就是這邊講到的第一項分散工程，至於第二項強固工程的部分，就是一些老舊的設施，我們要把它汰換，甚至我們要擴充一些設備…… |
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王委員鴻薇：好，我現在問你的是它一共是幾年的計畫，五千六百多億是幾年計畫？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，這個本來是十年的計畫，我們希望把它縮短成六年能夠執行完。 |
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王委員鴻薇：現在要縮短成六年？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：執行到第四年了，用了多少錢？不知道？ |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，我們回去再提供資料給委員。 |
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王委員鴻薇：回去再說？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：你連你用多少錢都不知道，但是你現在要跟我們再要309億…… |
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何次長晉滄：跟委員報告…… |
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王委員鴻薇：所以我要問的是從111年台電就已經針對電網韌性的部分，因為過去有很多小動物（包括小松鼠、蛇、穿山甲一大堆的）造成停電，所以要用於電網韌性，也用了5,645億，為了要增加這些錢，我們政府還參加了台電的增資，我只問，錢去哪裡了？如果按照十年計畫，每一年起碼有超過560億在執行，然後執行到現在，你還要錢，左也要錢，右也要錢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，這裡面的110億是針對這一次那麼大的電塔倒下來，還有三千多根電桿倒下來，要去修復的錢。 |
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王委員鴻薇：了解，所以在韌性特別條例裡面我們沒有擋你們嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：韌性條例的是針對幾個科學園區，我們發覺韌性不足，我們要把它加強。您說的那個本來十年5,600億，我們把它縮短成六年，到現在已經執行兩年了…… |
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王委員鴻薇：到現在連錢多少、花了多少錢都…… |
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卓院長榮泰：那個部分我們會請台電把…… |
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王委員鴻薇：連花了多少錢你都沒有辦法告訴我，就只是一味的要錢…… |
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卓院長榮泰：那是原來強化的計畫，逐年在進行…… |
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王委員鴻薇：請台電趕快…… |
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卓院長榮泰：所以前兩部分是新增加出來的想法。 |
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王委員鴻薇：電網韌性起碼要了300億，這兩個特別條例，5,645億，錢花到哪裡去？花了什麼？你現在把它變成六年，花了多少錢，我也都不知道。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們請台電馬上整理出來，向委員報告。 |
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王委員鴻薇：請盡快整理。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那是逐年該做的事情。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以我們一再講，我們為什麼要監督？我們為什麼要審查預算？不是刪預算，叫做亂刪預算，否則的話，立法院不需要立法委員，只要有一個橡皮圖章就好了，你要多少錢我蓋給你就好了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：所以委員提出的這個問題，我們就必須要完整的向委員做說明。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，時間先暫停一下，次長可以請回，我請環境部長。 |
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主席：時間暫停，請環境部長備詢。 |
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王委員鴻薇：部長，這一次的丹娜絲颱風一直到後來的風災，光電板、光電垃圾、光電墳墓引起了國人的重視，你一開始說它沒有毒，我們也覺得沒有毒，那為什麼一定要趕快去清理呢？一共有13.5萬片受損，災後一個月，光電板仍然沒有清完，請問一下部長，到底什麼時候才能把它清完？ |
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彭部長啓明：報告委員，第一個是當地很多的漁民告訴我說，因為很多人說光電板有毒，魚都不能吃，所以造成他們很大的困擾，他們要我一定要說出來，我們也的確到現場測了滯洪池三次，因為那個都不是魚塭，滯洪池的水質並沒有任何的重金屬或各種的污染，所以我才說出來讓大家可以知道，所以並不是像委員說的。至於說清除，我們在發生災害的兩個禮拜後其實已經清除，遠離池面上，現在33個受損的案場只剩下1個場，就叫新庄滯洪池，就是某一家公司…… |
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王委員鴻薇：只剩下1個場，所以你覺得清理的成績很棒囉？都一個月了。 |
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彭部長啓明：當然那是那家公司要自己負責清除的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：清到什麼時候？ |
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彭部長啓明：它目前給我們的承諾，因為我們已經罰到最重的300萬，可以連續、連續再開罰，它最近給我們的一個計畫是…… |
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王委員鴻薇：趕快給我一個時間嘛！ |
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彭部長啓明：它是預計在9月5號，而我們正在審查當中。 |
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王委員鴻薇：9月5號，好，如果仍然不能清除，政府要接手嗎？ |
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彭部長啓明：如果它還是這樣破壞環境，我們會依照廢清法第七十一條，我們要代位求償，我們來清除，然後跟它全部清查，表示我們保護這個環境。 |
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王委員鴻薇：所以9月5號如果仍然不能清除，政府會去接手？ |
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彭部長啓明：委員，這個接手是我們幫我們的環境討回這個公道，不是說我們要來付錢喔！ |
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王委員鴻薇：我了解啊！你都還沒有看我後面的，我就說要向業者求償啊！我當然知道，我怎麼會讓你付錢呢？憑什麼讓我們付錢？憑什麼讓我們納稅人付錢啊？你怎麼會講這個答案？ |
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彭部長啓明：這個不會付錢，是我們要跟他們求償的。 |
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王委員鴻薇：我的意思是說，你們什麼時候會接手？ |
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彭部長啓明：我們還在審它的這個計畫書合不合理，因為那家公司已經黃牛非常多次了。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，這一次事件非常特殊，我們發展能源，光電板造成了光電垃圾，污染我們的滯洪池、污染我們的農田、污染我們的海域，到目前為止都還沒有清完，行政效率之低，讓大家實在非常詫異！ |
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彭部長啓明：報告委員，已經清完了33個案場，只剩下1個在岸邊而已喔！ |
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王委員鴻薇：只剩下1個，你再講啊！只剩下1個，現在距離丹娜絲颱風已經過多久了，超過一個月，只剩下1個，所以我要給你怎麼樣？我給你按個「讚」，好不好？你可以接受我幫你按個讚嗎？ |
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彭部長啓明：報告委員，那是廠商自己要負的責任。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，要不要按個讚？ |
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彭部長啓明：那是廠商自己要負的責任喔！那是事業廢棄物。 |
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王委員鴻薇：院長，我今天一個一個問，它一直覺得它做得很好，我不懂耶？ |
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彭部長啓明：我沒有說我做得很好，我們要強力監督這些廠商。 |
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王委員鴻薇：你說要強力監督，監督到現在還沒有清完？另外，我說政府先接手，要再向業者求償，但是現在包含光電，其實光電廠商倒閉的很多啦！因為他們很多都是跟銀行貸款的，它可以這樣子拍拍屁股走人。所以未來要把它建立一套SOP，這就像違建一樣，違建也是一樣，你不拆，有時候政府代為執行，然後是要跟業者求償的，但是如果業者倒閉、如果業者拍拍屁股走人的時候，這個錢跟誰求償？所以我希望這一個案例、這一次教訓，我們要建立一套SOP，院長，可不可以？ |
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卓院長榮泰：從歷次的案件當中，我們都會去深刻的檢討，如何讓速度更快、支持面更廣泛、讓我們的韌性能夠更加強，這三個不足我日前已經講過了，我們會加強。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好，我希望你們趕快建立SOP。 |
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時間拜託暫停一下，部長請回，我要請勞動部長。 |
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主席：時間暫停，請勞動部備詢。 |
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王委員鴻薇：勞動部長有來嗎？因為他不在重建裡面，我把它想成追加預算。好，沒問題，勞動部沒有來嘛？ |
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院長，上個星期我特別針對就安基金的部分做詢問，你回去應該有所了解，也就是被踢爆的羅景壬導演，他的3個案子都已經被審計部在調查報告裡面直接揪出弊端，要求就安基金把這個錢回補進去，因為它的用途是不符合相關規定的。但你以為就是羅景壬導演一個人或一個團隊的事情嗎？結果我們再深入追查，這個就安基金太有鬼了，因為它全部都是用開口合約，連續3年開口合約，每一年都跟3個廠商來簽約，這3個廠商每一年都一模一樣，即民視、年代、三立。驚不驚喜？意不意外？搞了半天，這個已經被審計部揪出有弊端的3年開口合約，原來真正的廠商是民視、三立、年代，這些都是被我們認為跟綠營關係特別好的媒體，稱之為綠媒，有的人稱之為黨媒，它每一年的金額分別是三千一百萬、三千七百萬、三千七百多萬，合計3年1億，統統集中在這3個廠商，這麼集中、這麼湊巧？過去我們也講過，立法院預算中心就提過，過去很多的標案過度集中，特別是媒宣的部分。我記得針對這個事情，院長也認為如果有這樣的問題，應該有所檢討，對不對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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王委員鴻薇：可是現在問題來了，當然，111年、112年、113年度不是你當院長，但是它發生的果然又過度集中，不但過度集中，而且都是開口契約，更扯的是，這個開口契約最後結案請款跟原來契約內容完全不相符合，而為什麼被監察院的審計部揪出弊端？譬如說，這些開口契約裡面並沒有音樂會，但它生出一個音樂會，就是許銘春的音樂會，本來它應該是製作影片，應該要有35個影片，結果不但沒有，它還用一個音樂會剪出好幾個影片，用這樣來交差，用一個演唱會就交差了。還有裡面比如要求要有五支影片、網路媒體宣傳、電視託播，要五支影片，它卻只拍了一部影片。你要五支影片，對不對？這五支影片就是把這一部影片剪成五個1分鐘的影片交差，也拿到錢。你都笑了！可以這樣嗎？所以到審計部過不了關。 |
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再來，影片兩支、廣告短片一支也是網路行銷、電視託播，很厲害！拍一支影片分上下集給你，一樣，錢照樣拿到，每一年都可以拿到一千多萬。我在上個禮拜就講，行政院不究責、勞動部不究責，竟然說現在這些就安基金審計部不認帳的、認為有弊端的，還想要編列到公務預算，我們絕對不容許。院長，我上個星期就質詢，請問一下，有關就安基金的這些弊端，你有指示嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然有。 |
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王委員鴻薇：你有要求調查嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：洪部長上任，我要他做的兩件事，一是對於霸凌事件全面調查，二是提升整個勞動部，甚至包括北分署裡面的工作士氣。後來我看到各種情況一直在發生，再度要求他就就安基金要全面地去盤查，到目前為止，我也是這樣跟大家說。如果委員說的…… |
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王委員鴻薇：你有沒有給他限期？你要讓他限期交報告給你啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：如果委員剛剛說的就是事情的全貌或者一部分，我會請勞動部將全貌跟委員報告…… |
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王委員鴻薇：我講的這些狀況…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們再來找出現在應該有的責任，如果該法辦，我們就法辦，它已經在程序當中了，但…… |
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王委員鴻薇：當然要法辦！院長，我剛才講的狀況不是我王鴻薇說的，是審計部的調查報告，所以你一定要對此有所回應、調查清楚…… |
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卓院長榮泰：會。 |
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王委員鴻薇：不要再用納稅人的錢去填補這些人謀不臧的虧損跟漏洞，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我會請勞動部向我跟委員清楚說明，謝謝。 |
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王委員鴻薇：好。 |
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主席：謝謝王鴻薇委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
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我們休息之後，請陳冠廷委員準備質詢，現在休息10分鐘。 |
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休息（16時12分） |
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繼續開會（16時23分） |
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主席：報告院會，現在繼續開會。 |
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接下來請陳冠廷委員質詢，楊瓊瓔委員請準備。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
276 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
院會-11-3-26 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
林憶君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
216 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-08-26 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1147401 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1147401_00006 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告
「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─ |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1147401_00005 |