| IVOD_ID |
163622 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163622 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-26T11:22:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-26T11:38:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/97036d915349e79021a6b234e64f9c4f7691804860db32eff354879b3588d5bdd5025eb6a0fa74945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:23 - 11:38:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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接下來我們請賴世保委員質詢翁曉琳委員請準備謝謝主席韓院長 卓院長以及各位先進那麼有請這個卓院長以及財政部的莊部長麻煩請卓院長財政部備詢 |
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兩位長官好最新的一個外媒報導說川普要對全世界國家對美國的高科技公司課數位稅他要用增加關稅來反制我就請教莊部長我們有沒有課數位稅 |
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目前為止我們並沒有所謂的課數位他這裡面數位是這樣子你要不要仔細弄清楚他是線上就是說比如說Meta他的線上廣告的服務數位的媒介服務平台服務都有在台灣都有做你們不是要課稅嗎 |
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這不是數位稅嗎我們目前對於境外的電商確實有課相關的稅有啊但數位服務稅是沒有課數位服務稅沒有課是境外電商相關稅不有課所以台灣要請院長交代副院長如果川普講這個事情的時候說台灣是沒有課數位稅否則他要報復了好 那個莊部長請回啦 |
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我要提到這一次的追加預算追加預算我們看到追加預算其實就是借私還魂 |
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把我們原來立法院刪掉的經過刪讀的你一個一個藉這個機會把它要回來所以老實講這個立法院也讓你進來然後也跟你討論其實立法院展現善意的謝謝我希望我們能夠理性討論給個mercy但是你不能夠這個藉機啊就這樣子卡油不好啦那個卓院長來我給你算一個算清楚啦 |
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我們來看我們去年總共刪減了2075億扣掉台電1000億只有1075億1075億你要878億如果通融給你就剩下197億所以你送進來3.1兆等於0.63%史上最低的 |
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那裡面有幾項新增預算經委員要算進去史上過去10年最低的就是去年1%所以我給1%來做標準的話應該要3.314億 |
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310億以現在來講的話我們現在來講的話已經剩下197所以310億減掉197你這一次的878億我們最少要算113億才符合才符合1%那我告訴你院長你先不要急 |
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我們因為審理的追加預算特別幫我們時間我們這個朝野協商幫我們排到排到好感我就一天 禮拜四我當召委我要排質詢 還有質詢完畢以後 詢答完畢以後審查一般預算 審查機密預算 又要詢答 又要審查 |
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一天我那天可能把他回家刷掉沒有 我跟你講我們這樣用心在處理可是院長 老實講你這個吃立法院夠不夠這不是好的補充模式來 你聽我講因為老實講 我們回過來第二章因為636億我跟你講 我這樣審已經被外面學者罵臭頭 |
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被學者罵臭頭被輿論罵臭頭為什麼這樣子他說你們在外黨大贏代表你們砍預算社會是支持的啊為什麼你們完全配合這個民進黨呼嚕呼嚕呼嚕呼嚕開快車都沒好好審查外界質疑外界罵我啊學者罵我啊打電話來罵我啊政大教授打電話來罵我台大教授打電話來罵我你是怎麼啦 |
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怎麼會怎麼會你們照理講你們是銀方啊怎麼會完全的因為國家還是要我們合作國家往前走為什麼Police 我不知道為什麼為什麼把時間定的這麼窄我就一天的時間要巡打然後要處理沒有人這麼好沒有人這麼好所以我們只能拜託大家委員我現在就告訴你我現在就告訴你我們就很簡單 |
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大科目處理 黨團大科目處理什麼錢該給你 回到第一章什麼 我實在是講過了喔什麼錢可以給你636億可以給你其他我也是不同意的喔因為636是你們刪掉 不應該刪 |
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啊 你們刪掉了然後呢 我們現在給你代表你們刪的對那就我們不對啦 代表我們不對啦我們共同來解決問題 謝謝委員代表我們不對啦來 我先跟你講 我們整個來看的話呢就是什麼 就是636億軍人加薪60億 要給金髮補償23.4億 要給公投10億 要給 |
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其他剩下145億照理講要全部砍那我還客氣一點外交的部分我請委員再斟酌外交的部分你們也不需要了 |
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因為有些 他這裡面有一些場館設備啊確實是需要整建的外交的設備啊 我只有砍兩我只有砍七億多啦我們有委員等一下要私訊他全部砍掉 二十一億全部砍掉我都支持他 他砍得比我更準我就砍七億 他砍二十一億等一下下一位委員就要指引這個請委員再審慎的看看內容對於外交人員以及一些硬體設備現在我就告訴你 我堅持 |
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我們不能夠立法院出去以後被人家吐口水說你現在都贏了還要這樣百般的好像奉承立行政院怎麼會這個樣子呢照理講我們這樣可以抬頭行兇我們都贏了怎麼變成一個小綿羊不敢動你這個不敢動你那個我就主張最少3113億 |
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這樣才有一趴而已喔 這樣我才一趴而已所以 院長你回去認真去思考 處紀長什麼地方可以刪 113億 113億好不好因為我們當初本來刪了400多億嘛那如果減掉133億這個部分沒有刪 因為我們這次提報 |
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恢復的部分就是133億那這133億大部分都是指定刪減譬如說出國經費他指定刪60億那很多單位他是覺得執行有困難那所以這個部分需要恢復的部分所以這是細節的部分但是133億縱使你把他恢復他也是達到3.1%的1% |
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我們立法院有預算中心他就噴起立法院的委員我覺得很丟臉他說你們現在只有30.6億如果你全部給他你們實質 |
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現在只有0.61我們過去10年最少3.1%現在只有0.61我們本來是39啦 扣掉133如果沒3那就是1%啦但是其他都是新增加的啦聽說精華補償調息是新增加的部分這133億當中有道路交通的 |
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這個建設 還有農業部的防洪智山防洪的消費請他們先不要講話讓我講完可以嗎讓我講完好不好我都仔細看了謝謝讓我講完喔到現在為止878億如果都給你 一毛錢沒刪那就是0.63立法院的預算中心 |
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噴起啊 學者噴起啊 媒體噴起啊在野黨失職在野黨贏了 本來贏了怎麼被小民養軟趴趴的我看了好難過 我在野黨的意願而且第二個 時間把我壓縮得這麼緊 |
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時間包也要說一天可以處理我是召委還要我自身我知道怎麼處理我可以handle我願意幫忙但是院長不可以吃人夠夠為什麼吃人夠夠我們再看下一張你知道嗎你們追加一項怎麼編的居然有編100萬以下有77個單位編就是我上次跟你講的 |
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難怪人家會講啊 就到處你家每個部會都隨便提啊第一個高檢署 法務部的高檢署最佳2.3萬 笑死人了再來勞動基金運用局最佳6.1億民用航空局最佳8億國家圖書館最佳10億再來智慧財產商院的法院最佳10億 |
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笑死人啦這個一百萬元以下你們可以追加都沒錢這樣這個就是什麼就是因為你要求他們編我被編了這還要更離譜來來來你再看好 報告委員可以聰明一下不要急主席拜託讓他們先不要講話來還有什麼一萬塊以下的追加多少衛福部增加四千塊啊 |
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追加四千塊也在追加經濟部追加四千勞動部增加四千國發會增加六千入委會 你別急入委會增加八千農業部增加一萬你怎麼好意思追加預算五千塊六千塊也在追加然後還看衛福部我們這次審查預算讓你們增加306億 |
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讓你增加306億結果你要增加4千塊然後勞動部給你增加57億結果你要增加4千塊結果國發會增加8.76億你要增加6千塊農業部增加63億總預算你增加1萬各位 |
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我們這樣子追加拿得出來嗎 卓院長 幹笑啊你這個幾千塊要追加 我都不好意思刪啦這個不只要是指定刪減 而且禁止流用那這個不照常 四千塊 也不要來不是 那但是有一些是屬於主管的一個特別會的不怕經濟就不大 丟臉丟屎啦我們限制他 副機長 丟臉丟屎啦我們只能限制他 丟臉丟屎啦增加百分之十二點五啦對不對 你看 一個衛護部增加四千塊 |
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請委員在未來審查的時候詳細的看一下也請各部會能提出說明他們依照現在被刪減之後所造成的困難予以著補回來而已那如果委員認為哪一項不合理 |
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我們當然接受 但是請容許 容許各部會 容許不要定這個數字來刪啦 是要用政策來刪除不是 不要用定數字來刪除 |
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預算中心一直在罵你訂一個數字那一定要刪到那個程度這樣不好 我說用政策政策的推動來刪除 合理的刪除你當過立委你也知道我們不會去訂一個數字再來刪我們跟老柯就先講好一個總額大概都是1%左右 有時候1.2% 有時候1.1%那這次比較特殊 這次沒有先框起來以前就是老柯跟我們先框起來 |
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就不會有那種老哥後來排骨開天亂鬧一通鬧得整個新台會都是亂七八糟的他就是盤過開天開始講起他這一次沒有狂起來但是以前我在這裡這麼久以前每年預算審查我都在他都先框一個總額大家再來談細項 |
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總額談都是1%起跳沒有沒有1%的 到現在為止878億給你 就是剩0.63不可能通通給你 那要刪多少 最少113起來1%而已 1%是史上最低的史上最低就1% 如果今天通通878都給你的話那就0.63 那史上最低的最低的最低的最低的 |
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這樣子丟臉丟屎了以前都可以自行調整那現在都限定不准流用所以這就是因為它有限制不能流用所以就是你指定三整的項目就會變成有它的調整的一個困難而且還指定項目我的目標就是最少113最好是120到130最好130的話可以到1.1%然後然後客戶讓你自行調整 |
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我還是建議委員不要用設定數字我們看他的政策推動的需要與否這樣會比較真實因為你這個追加預算完全就是就像行政院多了多少把它拿回來的你多了31億 |
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外交部多了幾億啊 還有媒體多了4億多 剛才委員都提到了那個都是 我約了三年一塊錢 你要五塊錢回來沒有 我們並沒有增加啊都增加了 有啊 行政院增加30億我們只是增加133億 扣掉行政院增加了30億 |
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我們還是三減 應該兩百多億行政院主管有包括中選會 有包括園民會所以他們就會變成有一些相關的經費增加我們說行政院主管的範圍相當大行政院增加了最多三十億但是院本部裡面沒有增加這麼多我講的增加是增加跟減掉扣掉的 是淨增加好不好 這個 |
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好 謝謝賴世保委員的質詢也謝謝卓院長相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時22分）謝謝主席、韓院長、卓院長以及各位先進，有請卓院長以及財政部莊部長。 |
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主席：麻煩請卓院長、財政部備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官好。 |
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卓院長榮泰：不敢。 |
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賴委員士葆：最新的一個外媒報導說，川普要對全世界國家針對美國高科技公司課數位稅者，他要用增加關稅來反制，請教莊部長，我們有沒有課數位稅？ |
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莊部長翠雲：目前為止，我們並沒有所謂的課數位稅。 |
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賴委員士葆：這裡面的數位稅是這樣子喔！你要把它仔細弄清楚喔！就是線上，比如說Meta的線上廣告服務、數位媒介服務、平臺服務等都有，在臺灣都有做啊！這個你們不是要課稅嗎？這不是數位稅嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，沒有課稅。 |
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莊部長翠雲：我們目前對於境外的電商確實有課相關的稅。 |
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賴委員士葆：有啊！ |
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莊部長翠雲：但是數位服務稅是沒有課，數位服務稅目前是沒有課。 |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有數位稅。 |
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賴委員士葆：數位服務稅沒有課？ |
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莊部長翠雲：對，境外電商相關稅賦有課。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以臺灣……要請院長交代副院長，如果川普講這個事情的時候，要說臺灣並沒有課數位稅，否則他又要報復了。好，莊部長請回。 |
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提到這一次的追加預算，我們看到追加預算其實就是借屍還魂啦！把原來立法院刪掉經過三讀的，你一個一個藉這個機會把它要回來，老實講，立法院也讓你進來，然後也跟你討論，其實立法院也展現善意了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝，也希望我們能夠理性討論。 |
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賴委員士葆：這個我們給個mercy，但是你不能夠藉機就這樣子揩油，不好啦！卓院長，我跟你算個清楚啦！去年總共刪減2,075億，扣掉台電1,000億，只有1,075億；然後你要878億，如果通通給你，就剩197億，除以你送進來的3.1兆，等於是0.63%，史上最低的…… |
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卓院長榮泰：裡面有幾項新增預算，請委員要算進去。 |
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賴委員士葆：來！來！你先不要講，讓我講完，讓我把意見表達完。史上、過去10年最低的就是去年的1%，如果以1%為標準的話，應該要刪減310億，以現在來講，已經剩下197億，所以310億減掉197億，這一次的878億，我們最少要刪113億，這樣才符合1%。我告訴院長，你先不要急，因為要審你的追加預算，朝野協商把我們的時間排的好趕，就只有一天，禮拜四我當召委，要排質詢，詢答完畢以後，審查一般預算、審查機密預算，又要詢答，又要審查，只有一天，我那天可能要搞到晚上12點…… |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，再次表示感謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，沒有，我跟你講，我們這樣用心在處理，可是老實講，院長，你這是吃立法院夠夠，這不是好的互動模式…… |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：來！你聽我講，我們回過來看第二張，我跟你講，我這樣審已經被外面學者罵臭頭、被輿論罵臭頭，為什麼？他們說：你們在野黨大贏，代表你們砍預算社會是支持的，為什麼你們要完全配合民進黨，呼嚕呼嚕開快車，都沒有好好審查！外界質疑、外界罵我、學者罵我啊！打電話來罵我，政大教授打電話罵我、臺大教授打電話罵我，質疑我們怎麼啦！照理講，我們是贏方，怎麼會完全please你們…… |
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卓院長榮泰：因為還是要大家合作讓國家往前走。 |
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賴委員士葆：為什麼完全please你們？我不知道為什麼？為什麼把時間訂得這麼窄，我只有一天的時間，要詢答，然後要處理，沒有人這麼厲害啦！沒有人這麼厲害啦！所以我們只能拜託委員少講點話…… |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，謝謝委員的辛苦，拜託委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：我現在就告訴你，很簡單，黨團大科目處理，什麼錢該給你？我上一次講過了，什麼錢可以給你，636億可以給你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：其他我也是不同意的喔！因為636億是你們刪掉的，不應該刪而刪掉了，然後我們現在給你，代表你們刪的對，那就我們不對啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有、沒有，沒有對錯，我們共同來解決問題，謝謝委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：代表我們不對啦！來，我現在跟你講，整個來看就是636億要給，軍人加薪60億要給，禁伐補償23.4億要給，公投11億要給，其他剩下145億，照理講要全部砍，那我還客氣一點…… |
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卓院長榮泰：外交的部分，我請委員再斟酌。 |
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賴委員士葆：外交的部分你們也不需要啦！外交部分我很客氣…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這裡面有一些場館設備，確實是需要整建。 |
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賴委員士葆：外交的設備，我只有砍七億多，我們有委員等一下要質詢，他全部砍掉，21億全部砍掉，我都支持他，他砍得比我更準，我只有砍7億，他砍21億，等一下下一位委員就…… |
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卓院長榮泰：請委員再審慎的看看內容，對於外交人員以及一些硬體設備…… |
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賴委員士葆：現在我就告訴你，我堅持我們立法院不能夠出去以後被人家吐口水，說現在都贏了，怎麼還要這樣百般的奉承行政院？怎麼會這樣呢？照理講，我們可以抬頭挺胸，我們都贏了，怎麼會變成一隻小綿羊，不敢動你這個、不敢動你那個，我就主張最少刪113億，這樣才1%而已，所以院長、主計長，你們回去認真思考，什麼地方可以刪？113億，好不好？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，讓我說明一下，好不好？因為我們當初本來刪了四百多億，如果減掉133億這一個部分沒有刪…… |
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賴委員士葆：113！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：因為我們這次提報恢復的部分就是133億，那這133億大部分都是指定刪減，譬如說出國經費指定刪60億，那很多單位覺得執行有困難，所以這個部分需要回復的部分…… |
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賴委員士葆：這個細節就不談了。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：這是細節的部分，但是縱使把133億恢復，它也是達到刪減1%。 |
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賴委員士葆：來，請你們兩位仔細讀一讀立法院……我們立法院有預算中心，它就抨擊立法院的委員，我覺得很丟臉，它說你們現在只有刪0.61%，如果你全部給它，你們實質只有刪0.61%，我們過去十年最少刪1%！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：沒有、沒有，1%，已經有1%！ |
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賴委員士葆：現在只有0.61%。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：不是…… |
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賴委員士葆：你不要講話，讓我講好不好？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：這個400……我們本來是39億，扣掉133億如果沒刪，那就是1%啦。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
賴委員士葆：沒有、沒有！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：但是其他都是新增加的，譬如說禁伐補償、調薪都是新增加的部分…… |
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賴委員士葆：現在只有0.61%！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這133億當中有道路交通建設，還有農業部的治山防洪的經費…… |
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賴委員士葆：你不要跟我比其他的，請他們先不要講話，讓我講完可以嗎？讓我講完好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：詳細看一下再刪、詳細看一下再刪！ |
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賴委員士葆：我都仔細看、我都仔細看了。 |
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主席：謝謝，賴委員請繼續。 |
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賴委員士葆：讓我講、讓我講完！到現在為止，878億如果都給你、一毛錢沒刪，那就是0.63%，立法院的預算中心抨擊、學者抨擊、媒體抨擊在野黨失職，在野黨本來贏了怎麼變小綿羊軟趴趴的！我看了好難過，我是在野黨的議員。而且第二個，時間把我壓縮得這麼緊，時間把我壓縮的只有一天可以處理，我是召委，還好我資深，我知道要怎麼處理，我可以handle、我願意幫忙，但是院長不可以「吃人夠夠」啦！ |
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為什麼「吃人夠夠」？我們再看下一張，你知道你們追加預算怎麼編的嗎？編100萬以下的居然有77個單位，就是我上次跟你講的，這難怪人家會講啊，就到處……你叫每個部會都隨便提啊。第一個，法務部高檢署追加2.3萬，笑死人囉！再來，勞動基金運用局追加6.1萬、民用航空局追加8萬、國家圖書館追加10萬、智慧財產及商業法院追加10萬，笑死人啦！100萬元以下你們也在追加，都沒錢了，是這樣嗎？這個就是什麼？就是因為你要求他們編，所以都「黑白」編啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：沒有！ |
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賴委員士葆：再來還有更離譜的，來、來、來，你再看！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，我可以說明一下…… |
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賴委員士葆：不要急、不要急！主席拜託，讓他們先不要講話。來，還有什麼？1萬塊以下的追加多少？衛福部追加4,000塊啊，追加4,000塊也在追加！經濟部追加4,000、勞動部增加4,000、國發會增加6,000…… |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員…… |
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賴委員士葆：不要急、不要急！陸委會增加8,000、農業部增加1萬，你們怎麼好意思，那個追加預算就這樣5,000塊、6,000塊也在追加。然後還有喔，我們這次審查衛福部預算讓你們增加306億，結果你要追加4,000塊；勞動部給你增加57億，結果你要增加4,000塊；國發會增加8.76億，你要增加6,000塊；農業部增加63億總預算，你增加1萬。各位，這樣子的追加拿得出來嗎？卓院長，丟臉啊！你這個幾千塊也要追加，我都不好意思刪啊！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：委員，我說明一下，這個部分主要是指定刪減而且禁止流用，那這個部分造成…… |
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賴委員士葆：4,000塊也要！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：不是，但是有一些是屬於主管特別費的部分，那金額就不大…… |
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賴委員士葆：丟臉丟死了！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我們限制它只能…… |
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賴委員士葆：主計長，丟臉丟死了！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：我們限制它只能追加12.5%…… |
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賴委員士葆：丟臉丟死了！你看一個衛福部增加4,000塊、經濟部增加4,000塊、勞動部增加4,000塊…… |
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卓院長榮泰：請委員未來在審查的時候詳細的看一下，也請各部會能提出說明…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，不用他們說明，就是這樣子啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是他們依照現在被刪減之後所造成的困難，予以酌補回來而已…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，這個…… |
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卓院長榮泰：如果委員認為哪一項不合理，我們當然接受，但是請容許各部會…… |
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賴委員士葆：都不合理，我剛剛說過了，要刪113億，這是我的底線，最少113億！否則我們在野黨…… |
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卓院長榮泰：你不要定這個數字來刪，是要用政策來刪除。 |
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賴委員士葆：外界已經在罵了，學者在罵…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不是，不要用定數字來刪除…… |
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賴委員士葆：預算中心一直在罵…… |
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卓院長榮泰：你定一個數字，一定要刪到那個程度，這樣不好，要用政策的推動來刪除、合理的刪除。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼不好？你當過立委，你也知道，過去…… |
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卓院長榮泰：對啊，我們不會去定一個數字再來刪…… |
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賴委員士葆：過去的數字，我們就是跟老柯先講好一個總額，大概都是1%左右，有時候1.2%，有時候1.1%，這一次比較特殊，這一次沒有先框起來，以前都是老柯跟我們先框起來，就不會有老柯後來這樣盤古開天、亂鬧一通，鬧得整個協調會都亂七八糟的，他就是盤古開天開始講起，對不對？他這一次沒有框起來，但是我在這裡這麼久，以前每一年預算審查我都在，他都先框一個總額，大家再談細項，談總額都是1%起跳，沒有不到1%的，到現在為止，878億給你，就是剩0.63%，不可能通通給你，那要刪多少？最少113億，才1%而已，1%是史上最低的，史上最低就1%，如果今天878億通通都給你的話，那就是0.63%，是史上最低、最低、最低、最低的，這樣子丟臉丟死了。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，以前都可以自行調整，現在都限定，不准流用，所以這就是…… |
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賴委員士葆：現在可以流用，我們可以流用…… |
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卓院長榮泰：很多不能…… |
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陳主計長淑姿：因為它有限制不能流用，所以你指定刪除的項目就會變成……有它調整的困難，而且還指定項目…… |
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賴委員士葆：好，我禮拜四當主席，我的目標就是最少113億，最好是120億到130億，130億的話，可以到1.1%…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我還是希望委員不要用設定數字來刪預算。 |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
賴委員士葆：沒有，然後科目讓你自行調整，這樣子就可以。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我還是建議委員不要用設定數字…… |
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賴委員士葆：當然要設定啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們看它的政策推動的需要與否，這樣會比較真實。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為這個追加預算完全就是……就像行政院多了多少？把它拿回來了，你多了31億，外交部多了幾億、還有媒體多了四億多，剛才委員都提到了，那個都是我原來刪你1塊錢，你要5塊錢回來…… |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，我們並沒有增加。 |
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賴委員士葆：有啊！都增加了，行政院增加31億。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們這次只增加133億，扣掉新增的部分之外，我們應該還刪減了兩百多億…… |
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賴委員士葆：行政院增加了31億…… |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
陳主計長淑姿：行政院主管有包括中選會、有包括原民會…… |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
賴委員士葆：有，有增加了31億…… |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
卓院長榮泰：包括了很多啊！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：所以他們就會有一些相關經費的增加。 |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
卓院長榮泰：行政院主管的範圍相當大。 |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
賴委員士葆：行政院增加了最多，31億。 |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
陳主計長淑姿：但是院本部裡面沒有增加這麼多。 |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
賴委員士葆：我講的是增加跟減掉、扣掉的是淨增加，好不好？這個113億請你們自行去調整，最好科目…… |
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卓院長榮泰：要看它裡面包含的項目跟科別，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢，也謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
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接下來登記第九位賴惠員委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。 |
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委員賴惠員書面質詢： |
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今年1月21日，立法院由在野黨主導，草率三讀通過2025年中央政府總預算案，甚至沒有宣讀刪減後的歲出總額，行政院主計總處和立法院議事處花了快一個月的時間，才確認最後通過的預算金額和刪減項目。這次預算刪減金額2,076億元，占總預算的6.6%，不僅是史上新高，其中636億甚至沒有明定刪減項目，反而要求行政院自行刪減。 |
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許多部會預算被砍到見底、政務沒辦法推動，例如備受針對的監察院，今年預算約11億元，包括：8億多的人事費和2億多的業務費，業務費卻整整被刪達96%，幾乎完全被癱瘓──像是去年10月底，監察院好不容易有重大外交進展，於今年成為伊比利美洲監察使聯盟（FIO）區域外正式會員，突破20多年來的觀察員身分，赴祕魯出席年會的旅費、機票費用卻都被刪光。 |
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此外，後疫情時代下，有關各種傳染病的預防宣導仍然相當重要，像是今年5月時，新冠疫情再度升溫，近期屈公病也令人心惶惶，遑論丹娜絲風災後，亟需加強宣導防範登革熱、類鼻疽等疫病，衛福部疾管署的媒宣費卻早已被大砍六成。還有，約聘公務員的聘僱，還有工友、司機的加班費都受到嚴重影響，在在凸顯藍白所謂的「合理監督預算」，不過是不經大腦、毀憲亂政的藉口。 |
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行政團隊苦撐3季後，最後一季經費已經嚴重不足，行政院依據《預算法》第79條規定，因所辦事業因重大事故經費超過法定預算，於8/14(四)通過「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」，編列878.4億元經費，送交立法院審議。 |
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就像前面所舉的例子，這每一筆追加預算都有其必要與急迫性，而且是以「原預算收支賸餘」支應，不至於讓國家新增債務，在野黨實在沒有理由再繼續反對、妨礙行政運作。 |
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本席強烈呼籲同樣身為立法委員的朝野同事，一起來支持這次追加預算案，讓我們的政府能夠良好地運作下去，不要再影響國家、社會重要的公共服務，危害百姓福祉！ |
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主席：再接下來我們請登記第十號翁曉玲委員質詢。伍麗華委員請準備。 |
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215 |
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院會-11-3-26 |
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韓國瑜 |
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王鴻薇 |
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張啓楷 |
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吳思瑤 |
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洪孟楷 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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許宇甄 |
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陳亭妃 |
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賴士葆 |
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賴惠員 |
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翁曉玲 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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159 |
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2025-08-26 |
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1147401 |
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1147401_00005 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄 |
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行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算
案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─ |
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1147401_00004 |