| IVOD_ID |
163613 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163613 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T16:34:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T16:49:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc6a6541a8c0e8b2ebc0ac07f6ba1e1b0996637cd1f4f7f64504c117b4160d12fc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:34:09 - 16:49:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院會主席 江副院長各位同仁 新聞節的朋友 楊卿瑩發言首先邀請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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我今天聽你一直強調說有跟這個在野溝通那麼我要請問一下在整個關稅的談判跟議題上面行政院有跟在野黨的黨團來溝通嗎溝通了什麼事請說說明 |
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我們有一次曾經邀請黨團的幹部去到行政院就這個內容告訴大家當時我們能夠向黨團說明的部分但是我們也希望黨團在聽取說明之後有些很重相關的內容不宜對外宣布所以我們有這個過程但是內容還是在國際談判慣例當中我們還要謹守分際今天算是一個正式公開的說明 |
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但也有所保留這很抱歉 容許我們一定要做有所保留等到協議達成的時候我們一定向國人跟國會來做說明也一定送請國會來審議 |
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好但是到目前為止本席跟人民我們似乎感感受不到行政院有想溝通跟介入訊息在可以介入的範圍內因為大家幾乎都是瞎子摸象到現在你產業的座談會有開一場一場的座談媒體報導也一直在跟隨到底我們的方向 |
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就是看不到行政院對於我們整體性的一個關稅它能夠維持多久我們的農產品會不會全面的開放還是如此如何美豬美牛會不會鬆綁對我們產業整個的衝擊有多大這一些的方向我們看不到 |
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因為我們看到日韓在談判的時候他們可以揭露的時候他們就給國人報告而且反觀我們呢到底我們的疊加關稅到底是怎麼回事呢總統在八月份的記者會都還沒有公開說明所以這次我論點是認為內部的溝通他是不及格的 |
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那所以本席要再請教在上午您有說有跟執政黨的黨團溝通那請問在四月份我們關稅風暴到現在四月份就等於是四個月後才到立法院來報告 |
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我要請問 你透過你們執政黨 民進黨黨團到底溝通了什麼因為我們看到在8月10號的時候在立法院協商的時候整個執政黨的幹部都還在反對行政院到國會來報告 |
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他們說要等到整體的結束之後才能夠來國會來報告而且還嗆說如果有透露那談判不順的時候那談判不好的時候要嗆民 嗆在野黨所以你們要負責所以本席要請教本席要請教也就是在整個談判性的一個過程當中我們看到 |
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如果說談判不順是要在野黨來負責嗎那行政部門不用負責嗎我請首先我要謝謝委員參加過好幾場的產業座談會你也看得出來我們座談會當中那種互動的模式跟我們聽取業者請針對本席的提問因為你說透過你們執政黨 |
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黨團來做溝通8月4號還在嗆還說破壞進行中的談判為談判製造更多不可控的因素早上那段話是說有委員說我們這一年當中跟在野黨團互動幾次我說有兩次以上是到行政院來 |
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平常是透過黨團來跟朝野黨團所以我告訴你因為你四個月後才來報告那就是說因為你有請執政黨的黨團來做溝通那我也坦白告訴你8月4號還嗆在野黨甚至說談判不順你在野黨必須要負責那我請問卓院長談判不管如何怎樣不順也好 順也好 |
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那就成了你的執政黨黨團這麼樣的嗆你認為是在野黨要負責嗎還是你執政黨的 |
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政府不用負責既然叫執政黨負起政治責任更多的責任都是應該的我們繼續討論我非常的樂見您今天到立法院來做報告我們在台中的時候你也告訴本席一句話只要國會來邀請你都非常樂意立即來報告所以也就是 |
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原本的執政黨黨團一再的抹黑在野黨這是不對的這是不對的在此時我們必須要一起來努力我跟執政黨黨團之間並沒有做這樣的要求說延緩來報告我們都期待儘快依照大約你沒有這樣請他們延緩他們這樣子8月4號這個錄影錄音這樣子去嗆 |
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你應該要回去好好的跟他們溝通你必須要跟他們好好的溝通所以你要必須跟你的執政黨的黨團去溝通那麼過去駐美代表沈旅雄先生他講了一句非常有名的這個名言他說什麼都問美國人這就不是 |
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外交官所以相對本事要告訴你一句話什麼要求你都接受這也不叫談判代表所以我認為我們國會的監督跟人民的聲音可以作為你在談判的一個後盾你認為政府會好好的重視跟善用國會的監督跟人民的這個聲音嗎會 我們會聽取業界當然我們也會重視國會給我們任何的建議 |
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我想這個都會在談判當中我們可以轉化成一種談判內容甚至一個對我們的鞭策跟助力好 謝謝卓議員長你跟本席的論點是一樣也就是國會的監督跟人民的聲音是作為談判非常重要的後盾此時此刻我們必須要好好的去團結應對我們這個關稅所以接下來本席要請教對美的加大投資美方的期待到底是什麼 |
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日本需要請問剛剛我們說了照單全收他就不是談判我要謝謝正副院長帶著團隊到美國去但正副院長告訴我們美國的財長說他可能暫時性的會到10月 |
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同時他們每一次的見面都會擴大這個期待那到底請教目前談判到現在他們還有沒有擴大期待請做說明先回應剛剛委員所提我在第一輪實體磋商的時候就跟美方說我國的法律有國會保留條款 |
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我把相關的條約締結法的法條都給了對方所以很清楚的這個談判的結果的協議最後是要送交大院來審議我想我們有非常清楚表達剛剛回應委員的第一個問題那第二是這個我們談判 |
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這個當然希望是要降關稅那降關稅我方也的確希望平衡貿易逆差來說服美方降關稅但是我們也有所原則我們在這個國民健康糧食安全產業利益的原則之上來跟美方來進行磋商 |
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那至於委員所垂詢的有關後續的談判過程當中涉及供應鏈的部分232條款跟投資的部分目前還在談判中所以目前還在談判中針對本席的問題提問目前因為您說每一次見面都會有擴大的期待那目前在談判的當中我們還是進行我剛剛所謂的每一次見面都會擴大期待指的是說隨著因為過去幾個月談判美國是跟各國在談判的 |
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請針對本席的評論那是不是到目前為止還有擴大擴大的期待有沒有目前我們正在磋商的就是供應鏈的合作跟爭取232的優惠因為我們也想要了解美方232關稅的走向謝謝曾副院長你的回答讓我們清楚知道還是有 |
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還是有所以本市要請教市場開放跟對美的開放投資那這個是國人非常非常的關心因為就陳柏霖剛才所說的投資是不能無端的一個浪費尤其在我們食安方面我們更要謹慎絕對不能退讓這個是我們非常重要而且針對於我們條約締結法 |
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第三條第六條第七條第八條的一個規定那麼必須要送到國會跟國會相關要送到國會剛剛你也應許會送到國會就誠如總統所說的跟這個國會有相關的也一定會 |
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國會來做審議全民國會的審議跟全民的審議這是我們有第一次就跟美方來表明我國有國會保留相關的法律規範所以本事要告訴你我們都知道委員我補一句話如果有不對再請副院長能夠來修正就是雙方技術性的磋商我們就關稅非關稅貿易障礙貿易的便捷化還有數位經濟還有產業的供應鏈的韌性 |
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還有經濟安全這幾個大項都是固定的但內容因為美國隨著跟其他各國的談判有一些動態的變化所以他一直在調整這些動態的變化我想我這樣的陳述第一線應該也是謝謝你補充的陳述那本是要提醒政府因為我們看到日本 韓國 |
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歐盟他們怎麼做呢他們要三年購買7500億的能源他們要投資美國6000億的美元日本5500億投資韓國3500億而且要加能源1000億4500億但是我們看到我們跟他的人口跟GDP日本他們的GDP4.7兆 |
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他們的人口1.2億大於我們的五倍韓國他們呢1.7兆他們人口5100億大於我們的兩倍如果我方也要要求被要求也是數千億你認為對台灣是公平的嗎 |
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任何有利於我方談判的論述我們都會加以運用那我早上有回答其實我們期待的是一個雙方互利互補雙贏的供應鏈合作我們一再的強調我方供應鏈的價值 |
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非常重要因為我們的產業跟我們的民生非常重要所以本下要請教台積電的1650億有包括在你預計要投資美國的數目裡頭嗎報告委員台積電宣布當時1000億的投資其實在我們談判之前 |
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這到底這些算不算他目前1650億是應許了甚至還要加碼所以台積電的投資會不會算在你談判的投資額裡頭會不會目前我們民間公司的投資規劃是民間公司他們的決策我們現在談判還在進行當中我們談判還在進行當中我想我現在這邊任何可能大家臆測的數字 |
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我們不希望來增加成為談判桌上的變數所以請容許委員讓我們有一定的空間我們的產業跟人民的民生非常的重要所以最後我們說現在政府談判到總結會議我們還要這個總結會議這個時間到底會撐多久 |
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那麼同時在總結會議的時候我們的產業我們的疊加關稅到底可以撐多久還是成如財長所說的暫時性的還要等到10月到底我們一個月會損害多少兩個月會損害多少我們這產業等不及 |
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我要給卓肥報告 換我給你報告因為很緊張我們的工具機 手工具機這一次談判最嚴重的就是我們中部地區包括自行車業所有的產業首當其衝企業衝擊了連帶我們整個 |
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勞工的公司全部影響到這個是非常嚴肅的一個議題到底我們對這些產業我們要怎麼樣協助所以你們有沒有評估你現在報告的都是目前的形態但是我們的廠家已經很多到期的廠房不敢租到期的倉庫也不敢租我也不敢接單我不知道未來是怎麼樣 |
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所以這樣的樣態讓人民非常的辛苦有三個塊第一個 談判趕快定案下來跟美國的談判定案下來第一個塊我們送交大院的任性條例的修正草案能夠盡快審議把它定下來第三個塊修正之後行政院用最快的速度編特別預算通過之後就能夠廣泛的對 |
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你這麼回答我們針對關稅的衝擊產業勞工都雙雙的重擊我們看到台灣關稅高於日韓台灣的產業競爭力跟毛利都雙數物價指數高毛利少所以等於他的競爭力就少了在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教 |
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很多的像我們這個工具機他說我不敢去參展了所以本期在經濟委員會也在強調我們必須要協助我們的產業趕快去參展今年九月的漢諾威的工具機展我想經濟部這邊會可以全力的支持 |
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一定要大力的支持本期在經濟委員會跟卓魁也一致的吶喊我們9月份探討委員會長已經跟工具機產業工會已經在討論要怎麼樣去成立一個台灣館所以我想這個部分我們是帶著產業一起到這個德國那邊去做 |
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因為要拿到訂單他們非常的勇敢所以政府我第一時間就吶喊一定要好好協助我們產業到全世界各國去參展這非常非常的重要所以一定要落實到 卓葵會落實到嗎都在我們的這個支持方案裡面 |
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產業的聯合參展幫他開拓多元的市場以及用台灣SELECT 台灣的品牌來推動台灣的優質產品所以本期再一句話針對我們的產業民生一定要顧好好 我們一起來合作 謝謝好 謝謝王委員 |