| IVOD_ID |
163608 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163608 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T15:03:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T15:19:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc6d1648b160a376acc0ac07f6ba1e1b09e2f170cf6863d8db057babbb10d0fc445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:03:13 - 15:19:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝副院長我們請卓院長還有副院長還有鄭副院長請備詢 |
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陳國元好院長好 副院長好大家辛苦了其實我們整個談判團隊真的很用心很努力其實我們看到美國的態度所有的國家每一個世界各國其實都面臨了很大的壓力所以我相信你們在前線在做這樣的一個談判壓力也非常的大因為你們帶著所有台灣人民的期待 |
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可是我們又要保護我們自己的產業又要把我們產業的根留在台灣所以真的是很辛苦可是因為我們在談判的過程當中資訊回到台灣是很複雜的 |
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所以有很多不同階段的訊息而造成了我們台灣自己本身產業有很多誤解所以其實我光用這個所謂關稅疊不疊加的問題我想這個應該是最近我們的媒體當中其實最多論述最多討論的但是我覺得有必要把它一次澄清 |
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其實如果依照關稅疊加的部分我找了所有的資料我沒有詢問你們我自己找資料我發現如果以美國官方公布的其實關稅不疊加的只有歐盟各國其他就算我們在談的日本他也還在協議當中並沒有正式對外公布 |
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我們台灣是在努力當中所有的國家也都在努力當中所以為什麼有人就用所謂的我們在騙基本上我們關稅要疊加我們還說20%我們沒有騙我們要先把這個基底談好 |
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那關稅疊加是每個國家都這樣並不是只有台灣是只有歐盟沒有是所有的國家都面臨現在這個狀況可是你這個基底還沒有談好 |
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你怎麼再說下一步所以我覺得這個部分應該要先釐清讓所有台灣人民知道而不是不同的訊息不同的民意代表所說的會讓人家誤解副院長是不是 |
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是 委員的觀察完全的正確因為美國對各國本來就有它的MFN也就是原稅率那台灣自然也在原稅率的對象裡面只有洽簽雙邊協議有FTA的國家他們就沒有原稅率有些品項沒有 |
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那的確在所有達成協議的國家裡面目前看到的是歐盟在最終達成協議談判最終稅率的時候那麼歐盟有不疊加MFN原稅率來這樣的做最終的稅率的這個決定 |
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那日本有表達去爭取但目前的確也要帶美方來證實最後的這個結果那台灣因為我們還在談判中我們現在取得的20%加上MA分是從32降下來是一個階段性的一個結果那我們持續談判等到我們在談最終稅率的時候我想最終就會來決定要不要 |
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再加上MFN不過可以跟委員報告的是說我們最近三次的視訊會議當中我們已經表達希望爭取不要疊加MFN這也是我方的立場我們會積極努力來爭取所以我們到目前為止我們的態度都沒改變 |
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我想從卓院長對外 也是說我們現在在努力中啊我們當然要努力不疊加嘛 這是我們的方向所以我覺得我們應該要對外把這樣的一個定調而不是說 哇 因為不同的立場然後好像在唱衰我們這一個整個談判的過程我覺得真的是不好的 |
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因為當你在做政治口水的時候基本上也會傷害到我們的產業也會讓我們的產業沒有信心我們前線在努力所有的談判團隊每天我們的視訊會議我們整個包括他給我們的時間我們要一直等待 |
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大家是這樣子繃緊神經我就是要給大家鼓勵的所以這個部分我覺得因為我明明所看到的資訊跟媒體當中的資訊其實是有很大落差我覺得應該趁這個機會讓我們的卓院長跟鄭副院長把它表達清楚 |
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非常感謝委員一句話您的這番話對行政團隊尤其對談判團隊是正面的非常大的一個鼓勵當我們在談判的時候我們如果想到我們的國人是希望我們去爭取更好的而不是一直說我們是在欺騙國人這個對談判團隊的心理素質是影響很大更何況如果我們的對手看我們國內是這種狀況的話他會覺得跟我們談判他可能會得到更多我們現在還沒有辦法跟他談的過程 |
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所以謝謝委員這樣正向的一個鼓勵我們會珍惜但是我們會利用這樣的鼓勵我們請談判團隊據理力爭為國家爭取最大利益一定要加油啦因為我也不能接受用欺騙兩個字因為我們在前線有很多真的還沒有到談判的結果我們不能公佈啊 |
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你來我往的過程當中每一個都是機密每一個都是重點那當然我們知道我們要保護我們的產業我們一定要保護我們自己能夠保護的最後一個底線談判代表比誰都知道所以我覺得真的今天會利用這個時間去把這個疊加的部分因為 |
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我覺得很難過啦因為我們也不能替你們說話我們就希望說能夠用這樣的訊息我自己去找的我說奇怪明明在美國官方網站真的沒有疊加的就一個歐盟各國 |
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那為什麼還不斷的用這樣子的一個言語然後呢來傷害我們的談判團隊這是我覺得我不捨的地方那第二個部分就是說其實我們目前為止說真的放無薪假的確實有這個不能說沒有那無薪假的部分就是因為有太多的不確定性 |
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他害怕 所以我一直在談的是我們擔任民意代表我們更應該是要讓產業有信心不能用錯誤的訊息或是懷疑 猜疑的訊息而讓產業更沒有信心所以我們現在放無薪假我也知道我們行政院有要求我們勞動部一定要積極主動去了解原因是 勞動部主動訪視 |
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對但是呢因為說真的我們在基層有聽到大家的壓力是因為我們的匯率沒有穩定到底未來會不會隨時有做調整所以他們都會擔心我多接了一張單我可能會 |
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因為這樣而損失一張單就是在這個賺的價差的當中所以這個怎麼讓大家穩定信心這個很重要所以我覺得他們現在都覺得說我乾脆現在先按兵不動也是現在無薪假的原因我先按兵不動 |
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我來了解整個局勢變化之後我再進一步所以這個都是他們內心的不穩定跟擔心所以這個也跟我們勞動部長說明一下這個無薪假有時候是一個擔憂因為我們的競爭力到底會不會萎縮來 部長 |
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跟委員說明第一個其實因為實際上應該叫減班休息因為有時候講無薪假會讓大家以為真的可以無薪有時候有些勞工以為真的可以無薪他就不知道自己的權益在法規上面是不能夠無薪的至少要給最低工資這是第一個第二個就像剛剛委員說到其實現在大家可能會同時受到美國的關稅 |
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又有匯率的影響所以我們現在在我們的強化版的僱傭安定措施裡面把如果你是受到匯率影響的也放進來可以做薪資補貼那我們薪資的這個差額補貼過去是五成我們也提高到七成所以其實我們都希望更大力的來支持減班休息勞工的經濟安全的部分那現在把原本的行業別原本是三個那現在也放寬到九個 |
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那這也是聽了很多我們工會跟勞工朋友的想法所以我想我們會盡全力的來支持我們的勞工朋友最重要的是我們希望不要讓勞工朋友遇到失業或者是他要離開職場的狀況因為他只要還keep在他的這個職場上面的話未來訂單來他隨時都還可以快速的恢復就可以上位上位這對企業好那對勞工朋友至少他在經濟上面他不會馬上要去找工作尤其是如果遇到中高齡的勞工這對他來說都會是更多的挑戰 |
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所以剛剛部長所說的我們應該更改這不是無薪假他基本上都要給基本工資對不對所以我們應該把這個觀念稍微調整所以我一定都會強調說 |
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不是叫無心價這叫減班休息因為講多了真的很多勞工會以為好像真的可以無心所以是減班休息隨時等待這一波的動盪完我們要隨時上工隨時上位對不對所以我今天問這些問題都是要讓我們的行政團隊不要被誤解 |
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因為常常都會被誤解減班休息還有因為是景氣大環境關係其中還有一部分是因為關稅關係勞動部都把它分析出來的我們會針對關稅的部分特別來加以重視但是整個大環境減班休息的我們還是用一般的勞工政策來替他做一些紓困上的解決 |
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跟委員再補充每一個通報減班休息的廠商勞動部都會親自聯繫跟拜訪來瞭解到底發生什麼事情需要什麼協助我們可以投注什麼資源每一個通報減班休息的廠商我們都會主動聯繫 |
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我們可能更積極然後跟他們做聯繫也把這樣的訊息通報每一個我們產業別他們都有工會嘛讓他們知道我們政府是有在協助在這個區塊的一個勞工的諮詢甚至協助我們已經規劃接下來要去每一個可能會受影響的工協會都希望讓他們知道我們有提供這樣的資源 |
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好那這個速度可能快一點那我再就叫我們的院長院長其實我們把所有的產業品把它弄出來其實可能會比較直接的就是蝴蝶蘭還有五國魚還有茶葉鬼頭刀毛豆鱸魚這是農業的那其實我們再把它細分說真的蝴蝶蘭是因為我們最主要的對手是荷蘭 |
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因為荷蘭的關稅比我們低所以我覺得這個部分蝴蝶蘭可能是我們的重中之重在我們台南我們大家都聽到要死所以這個部分要拜託然後再來吳國瑜的產業他基本上因為我們主要競爭對手是中國 |
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那當然中國是55%是還沒疊加的部分但是我們以這個關稅的一個基礎來講它是55%那這個茶葉的部分基本上因為我們競爭的對手跟我們都差不多所以我覺得我們還要細分整個我們的競爭對手優越是比較 |
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對 一定要比較否則大家會亂掉 說我們被受害的這麼嚴重但是其實產業都說 我們的航班是趕快撐上來我相信我們台灣撐得過因為我們有可以條件去跟人家拚競爭我們擔心的是說 |
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像蝴蝶蘭荷蘭就比我們關稅低這麼多那在關稅要出去就已經競爭力少了人家一截了所以我認為說我們還要把每一個產業的細項把它分出來那還有就是說我們工具機的產業也是我們工具機的產業我們為什麼大家會哀哀叫因為工具機的產業我們主要對手是德國日本韓國他們的一個 |
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關稅都比我們低所以我覺得我們要依照產業別特別再把它挑出來加重協助我覺得這才是比較重要否則你看我們我們也認為說我們所有的這個產業別中小企業有可能說手工具產業啦水五金產業重電產業還有我們的塑膠產業都可能受到衝擊可是因為競爭對手都是中國 |
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都是中國 所以相對的壓力就減了我覺得我們應該要把這個訊息丟出來否則大家都不知道可能自己這個產業的也未必那麼清楚都不知道我的競爭對手是誰都覺得說你看美國關稅這個樣子我是不是失去了競爭力可是其實所有的產業都說 |
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我只要我跟別人是一樣的關稅我就有把握我可以贏過別人這是我們台灣的驕傲啊那我們要怎麼讓他有這樣的條件就是我們現在要去幫他的從農業 從中小企業這樣的角度所以我覺得這個是我們先要做也是我要拜託院長我們的資訊要給產業更清楚讓他們有信心你從中國拚 中國的 |
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55% 你在怕什麼我覺得這個樣子的話他會更有信心那真的我們的對手是比較低的競爭關稅是比較低的那我們就要給他更多的幫忙所以這個部分院長我早上的報告裡面我說到工業方面工具機手工具水滸金重電塑膠農業方面的蝴蝶籃毛豆鬼頭刀以及委員剛剛所說的我們受的衝擊比較大 |
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所以我們用各種的金融支持產業支持方面來協助讓他的衝擊減少認為我們這個地方我們競爭力可能會減少 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝陳委員 |