| IVOD_ID |
163605 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163605 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T12:28:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T12:43:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc8c9e7b790171cb37c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84aff5ff160f27f5ee205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:28:28 - 12:43:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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請左院長備詢 |
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今天有非常多的委員問到就是媒體的獨家新聞公布台美談判的結果對美投資四年是2500億美元對美採購四年是1300億美元而十年之內再加上1700億美元 |
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採購加上投資等於5500億這其中有3800億4年之內要執行完畢1700億10年之內要執行完畢另外對於美國視為貿易障礙的項目台灣是全面棄守 |
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開放全面進口的雖然行政院你們在四個小時之內呢對於這個獨家新聞呢說傳播不實的訊息干擾談判造成了誤導請問一下院長您各位這個假新聞行政院有沒有提告 |
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我們不輕易對媒體做提告所以裡面有一些是真的還是全面是假的有些敘述的過程是真的但是很多的數字是不正確的所以裡面談的有些問題是真的談到了只是數字不一樣當然談判敘述的過程是對的但內容 數字 以及他寫出的那些條件很多都有所出入 |
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所謂的出入就是這個數字不一樣而已但是談的過程談的裡面甚至於所謂美國說的貿易障礙台灣全面棄守了這是真的嗎有談貿易障礙但我們沒有全面棄守我們有談市場准入但不至於全面准入如果沒有全面棄守那當然是好事如果全面棄守你要不要負責任 |
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是總統負責任還是您負責任還是談判的人要負責任好 我今天不是跟你談這則新聞我要講的是這一次的對等關稅可以說是動搖國本的大勢 對吧 |
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我們必須要非常嚴肅非常認真的來討論所以今天才會安排這樣子的一個國事論壇以及我們的質詢特別一直到現在民進黨政府你們都一直都還沒有公布對等關稅最終的結果是什麼 |
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還有我們怎麼樣兌買採購的金額還有我們到底會不會開放美國它所說的那些貿易障礙這些我們國人都不清楚所以我們是非常的焦慮我們回顧一下2017年的1月 |
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川普他就任的第一任總統也就是2018年他就對中國大陸發動了關稅戰2021年的1月川普下台之後從此所謂的貿易關稅戰就成為了大家口中的流行名詞 |
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一直到2023年川普他出馬競選第二任總統的時候他又公開的誓言說他要用關稅向全世界來宣戰所以其實呢川普他會用關稅發動貿易戰這都是大家知道的事情請問一下政府準備了什麼 前瞻了什麼尤其院長你還記得嗎公佈的前一個晚上你讓大家安心的睡覺 |
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現在安心了沒有我們說我們都沒有睡覺我當然希望國人安心我們一直在努力請問一下你們努力了什麼錢佔了什麼能不能花一點小的時間來跟大家說我們在川普總統大選之前我們在行政院裡面就成立了最美的經貿小組 |
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那你怎麼會讓我們安心睡覺呢然後第二天結果變成我們的關稅比日本跟韓國還高好啦 院長院長 不要在這邊再繼續回復我們知道的事情而且媒體都清楚知道這個過程大家心裡面都知道這十年來我也知道 |
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台灣的經濟貿易一直在調整看一下從蔡英文總統說雞蛋不要放在同一個籃子裡面然後馬上就推出了新南向政策一直到賴清德總統上台之後他喊出了脫中入北其實講白了就是脫中入美我們看一下這個統計圖 |
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這個統計圖呢它是從2015年到2024年兩岸貿易順差還有台美貿易順差的10年的比較圖看一下藍色的藍色的是兩岸貿易順差2015年是636.3億美元2024年是699.8億美元紅色的是台美貿易的順差2015年只有78.4億美元 |
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到了2024年就增加到649億美元看起來你們嘴巴說的托中陳金平平的看這個數據入美呢卻是火紅的大躍進而蔡英文總統說雞蛋不要放到同一個籃子我們很顯然蔡英文總那個賴清德他已經把大部分的雞蛋放到了美國這個大籃子喔而且今年上半年台美貿易的順差已經到了 |
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552億美元預估全年將會破千億院長 請問您這算不算好的成績報告委員 其實從2017年開始全球就歷經這個供應鏈的重組 |
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那台灣也在這個全球供應鏈存儲當中有所變化我再問你們這算不算好的成績副院長請你針對我的回答來回應就好了今天只有15分鐘的時間算不算好成績我們台美順差的這個成長來自於美國美國對我高科技的需求要成長 |
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好還是不好我們對歐盟對新南向的國家也有持續的交戰你們不願意說好或不好就表示你們內心清楚知道其實我們的政府眼光非常的短淺為什麼 因為就是因為這樣我們賺了美國太多的錢了所以川普現在對我們動手 |
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這十年的投票我看到了兩個結論第一個結論是民進黨你們執政之後你們一心想要改變馬英九的親美友日和中的戰略你們想要拉開兩岸緊密的經貿關係而民進黨你們的說辭是因為兩岸經貿如果太緊密的話哪一天大陸如果突然取消對台讓利取消了ECFA之後大陸會發動所謂的窮台 |
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現在看起來窮台的不是大陸窮台的是民進黨最親愛的美國是川普川普對台灣關稅的懲罰也勒索我們4000億的美元也連根拔走我們的台積電這恰恰戳破了民進黨你們說大陸會窮台的謊言 |
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而我看到的第二個結論是2023年川普他競選第二任總統的時候他誓言就要向全世界用關稅來宣戰其中他五度的公開點名台灣賺走了美國的很多錢他還指控台灣偷走了美國的半導體請問院長您接受這個指控嗎 |
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我們的半導體工業是我們自己在學習摸索你接受這個指控嗎不接受不接受好而這些恐嚇台灣的執政黨你們竟然毫無警覺今年對美貿易出操每個月就破紀錄而親美天美的代價是20%加N的疊加關稅必須要投資美國多少4000億美元這是你們的郭部長說的台積電也變成了美積電 |
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院長啊 我們親美親到失去理智親美親到完全不設防現在我們就必須要付出這樣的代價而到目前為止真正的協議的內容為什麼要蓋牌是不是因為我們付不起這個代價 |
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如果產業還繼續留在大陸 他們現在負擔會更大但是現在窮台的是誰現在窮台的是誰現在窮台的是誰現在要把台灣全窮殺隊的人是誰變成台灣成績是野光非常地長遠主席 請他們先停止好不好 |
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我覺得今天的這兩位你們講的太多了而且一再的反覆現在聽我講台灣曾經眼光非常的長遠也創造了台灣的經濟奇蹟今天我要花一點時間跟你們兩個講真實的前瞻故事希望您還有副院長你們不要再打擾我也希望民進黨你們可以反省一下 |
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1970年代初全球發生了石油危機台灣的油價暴漲物價也飛漲當時擔任行政院長的蔣經國他推動了十大建設因而擴大了台灣的內需市場為下一個階段的經濟發展奠定了非常穩定的基礎 |
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当时这个十大建设是在内外非常艰困的经济环境之下从1973年一直到1979年我们花了大概7年的时间推动完成的总共的花费是1947亿相当于1975年当时我们政府的总预算的2.5倍 |
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當時政府的資金也不足也借了外債今天我們回顧一下這段歷史我相信大家都會同意十大建設的經濟效益到現在仍然對台灣發揮著非常重大的影響我要講第二個前瞻是1970年代末李國鼎的政委他推動的科學園區 |
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他找回了張周謀先生成立的台積電當時連美國IBM公司老闆都說李國鼎啊你瘋了啊這個為台積電籌出這麼樣的巨額的經費但是現在我們十幾年之後回頭看一下如果沒有趙三哲李國鼎如果沒有護國神山台積電 |
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在那個經濟處於三次加工的年代裡面在那個我們國家財政根本都還沒有非常豐厚的年代這兩個非常有前瞻眼光的領導人他用投資台灣的具體行動把台灣帶起了經濟起飛的年代帶來了數十年的繁榮院長我想請問你你有沒有聽過世界簡易這個名詞 |
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那剛剛你有沒有聽過世界檢疫這個名詞你都同意嗎我問你有沒有聽過世界檢疫這個名詞有沒有聽過世界檢疫這個名詞如果沒有的話我現在告訴你世界檢疫現在全世界都是在討論就是說全世界的貿易是百分之百而全世界跟美國的貿易只有佔13.6% |
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如果全世界我們不要了美國市場那麼還有86.4%的世界大市場我們為什麼要讓美國予取予求無盡的勒索我們如果拒絕川普的20%加n疊加的關稅我們拒絕跟美國貿易往來然後用川普勒索我們的4000億美金 |
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投资我们自己的台湾投资我们的下一代发挥四五十年前台湾中小企业的精神那个就是拉着一卡皮箱全世界闯荡的做贸易做订单 |
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那麼我們將會有世界簡易的聽好86.4%的大市場任由我們的企業家自由的揮灑而我們如果拒絕了美國我們還可以不要吃美國的毒豬毒牛我們的孩子也可以不要吃美國基改食品也不要進口美國的大米院長你不要跟我說你沒有你沒有聽過有人會這麼做我告訴你 |
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巴西印度現在就是這麼做還有院長你千萬不要再說我以美論看一下我過去懷疑美國的所有事情現在川普都在做現在請兩位看一下這段影片And don't let some of these politicians go around saying you knowcause I'm telling you these countries are calling us up kissing my ass kissing my ass kissing my ass |
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川普笑你們這些親美的人排著對親他的那兩個字我都不好意思說了你不認為這是一個侮辱嗎院長這不是我們國家會做的事情這是不是一個侮辱 |
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親美貼美是不是我們現在正在做的事情我們是一個主權獨立的國家我們有我們自己的財政能量既然是這樣你同不同意我說拒絕跟美國做生意因為我們有86.4%的全世界大市場美國只有占13.4%而已最後我要提醒院長最後我要提醒院長 |
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美國公布台灣官會20%的時候呢我就主張這個協議必須要送到立法院來討論並且要經過公民覆決一直到現在這個時刻為止我都堅持這樣的主張你同意嗎 |
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依照條約締結法我們將談判的結果送交國會審議通過這是必要的好 人民絕對是你們最好的後盾學韓國一樣好好利用人民的拒絕的聲音給你們做談判最後的基準 |
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臺灣的經濟貿易的未來必須要由全民來決定聽好了不是由賴清德不是由您不是由副院長還有你們所謂的經貿小組也不是由民進黨政府來決定的臺灣的經貿的未來是要由全民來決定的謝謝謝謝高經貿委員 |
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927.494 |
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謝謝卓院長還有副院長抱怨會上午質詢到此為止 |