| IVOD_ID |
163603 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163603 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T11:56:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T12:12:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adcd5644b5e65600982c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84af267846fbddf791135ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:38 - 12:12:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席有請院長請卓院長備詢問問好請教院長你知道在台灣第一個拋出用零關稅來回應美國對等關稅風暴的官員是誰嗎第一個 |
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拋不出零關稅 零關稅當時我們提出說第一個提出來是誰啦很多人都有講過第一個嘛 在會議當中第一個啦 我說公開提出來第一個我不曉得委員聽到的是什麼時間就是賴清德總統啦我們是在討論當中就有提到今年4月6號 賴清德總統對於美國的對等關稅他說他有對策就是要台美從零關稅開始談起他說他第一個丟出來的這公開的場合丟出來 |
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當時立刻引發農民團體抗議你還記得那個時候你是不是邀請了包括我在內的三黨的黨團幹部來會談 記得嗎是那我想請問你在會中對我們保證了什麼事情你還記不記得 |
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我們有一些敏感的品項我們不會傷害到我們的產業尤其對農民 漁民我們會列為優先要保護的對象沒錯啦 你就是跟我承諾一定會保護我們的台灣的農民跟漁民嘛 對不對好 那我想請問這個保證是不是到現在還是有效我們一直用這個原則進行談判 |
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那麼接下來我們來看到媒體獨家的報導風傳媒我國8月初回應華府細節保證美國商品全面市場開放其中包括取消小麥玉米大豆乳製品肉類與水產品蔬菜和水果汽車及相關產品化學品化妝品醫療器械藥品機械的關稅你有看到這段新聞嗎有啦 |
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我們已經針對在其中有相當數據以及沒有查證表示過否認 那麼也希望以後我們會加強 賴總統有澄清嘛說這跟事實有落差嘛 對不對有澄清 他說跟事實有落差啦那我有兩個問題就教啦那賴慶哲總統雖然澄清可是就我自己辦公室台灣的農民漁民還是非常恐慌疑慮你知道為什麼嗎我告訴你為什麼 |
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賴清德總有4月就先拋出了零關稅所以我要跟 |
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當時在會議當中我也跟我們的院長就是尊尊的一個建議就是說君無戏言總統要慎言你拋一個零關稅不清不楚的後面的行政團隊要來收拾就會比較麻煩所以後遺症延續到現在當然你們說這個報導不正確可是人民會恐慌接下來我要請教你這個報導到底哪裡有與事實有落差我想要來救教一下 |
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我剛有聽王定宇質詢他問美國整車免關稅有沒有在對美談判的範圍之內剛剛鄭麗君副院長你回答有嘛對不對有談判但還沒有最後對有在談判的範圍之內你有說有啦我想請問這個取消小麥關稅有沒有在你的談判範圍之內 |
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報告委員你要對我公平一點你對王定宇很乾脆就說有剛剛我回答王委員是說我們在談判過程當中對關稅貿易障礙各項時間暫停 停一下沒關係 請繼續其實副院長你剛剛那一套你已經倒帶起碼十次了所以我也沒有時間聽你倒帶了我只問你有沒有 |
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報告委員有關於關稅的部分我知道你不會回答你那個循環倒帶待會播影片就好了我們就於糧食安全的原則我們來寫章但是我必須跟委員說明時間暫停對於關稅的細節如果我們在這邊做完整的說明抱歉時間暫停我們請繼續好不好沒有我要說 |
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我還是回到院長啦因為你那個倒帶已經到了起碼七八病我在坐在底下聽了很久這是核心的問題我現在要我現在要沒關係我不要在這地方卡住沒關係那我想請教那請問院長我就不問你了啦那我們副院長請回副院長請回 |
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聽軍醫喜話 盧聽醫喜話是不是讓我非常煎藥 跟委員說明沒關係 你請回啦時間就不夠嘛你剛剛都不需要嘛 媒體一定會報導我要問院長我要問院長我們會基於糧食安全來跟美方協商你又倒帶一分鐘 兩分鐘 時間就結束搞了三分鐘你再跟我講這個好啦 我跟你講沒關係啦我知道你辛苦啦來 院長 |
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你有辦法保證政府不會取消小麥的關稅嗎報告委員我剛說過國際的談判最後條件拿出來的時候才是達成協議你沒有辦法保證不是 我們對台灣的你沒有辦法保證嘛我如果這樣做這樣做這個結論不會不公平嗎王小玉本來我們就是在你就不能保證嘛來 下一題請問你你有辦法保證政府不會取消玉米的關稅 |
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王小玉我們都同樣來看這是我們大眾的產品你還是沒辦法保證嘛來 第三個更重要喔你有沒有辦法保證政府不會取消稻米的關稅來 這剛好部長你剛好就上來了我們稻米跟美國一直有一些配額跟其他的會不會保證不會取消稻米的關稅嘛 |
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我跟委員報告 您剛才講的黃小玉現在的關稅就是零因為他本身零關稅不可怕但是零關稅如果對我們全部唸完嘛我全部唸完啦小麥玉米稻米大豆乳製品肉類關稅水產品關稅蔬菜關稅水果關稅還有這些所謂的你們講的所謂的那個所謂的貿易障礙有沒有在對美談判的範疇之內 有沒有 |
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我跟委員報告就是美方所提出來的有美方的期待但是我們也有我們的堅持我說嘛有我們的堅持所以針對糧食安全重要的這些品項我當然知道你會開始不肯回答這個問題但是我就是要這邊抗議啦為什麼王定宇講就那麼乾脆就講有羅志祥來問就轉了圈圈十八轉 |
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黃委員是說我們有沒有談判 有 但是還沒有達到最終那你又跟我講有啊黃小玉 滷製品 肉類 水產品 蔬菜 水果再問一次有沒有 你剛就講有啊你問我的是小麥會不會影響到我們的農民黃小玉本來就零關稅 我不曉得這怎麼回事我要一個一個問嘛我問的是起碼12項啊 |
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我要問的不只是關稅 包括所謂的你講的所謂的貿易的一些障礙啊理解 我們一直說不到最後的細節的時候好啦好啦 謝謝你啦 又轉了半天原則是在的 那幾項原則副院長說的都是核心的價值跟基本的原則來 蕩米影響的人是多少22萬人那請問我們還是要把這當作重中之重啊來 我想請問你 |
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你可以保證政府過去從來沒有未來也絕對不會拿上述的農產品犧牲農民的權益作為對美關稅談判的籌碼嗎有沒有辦法保證我還是跟委員說明我們在跟美方談判美方有美方的期待我們也有我們的堅持所以在這個期待跟堅持之中就要做一個溝通謝謝部長你回答我都能預期 |
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總而言之很簡單嘛我想國人都看得到嘛到現在為止你有沒有辦法保證啊我沒有怪你不能保證喔院長先抱歉喔我沒有怪你不能保證喔但是很明顯的今天你在當時的朝野協商會議對我的保證我到現在開始要懷疑這個效力到底有沒有還有沒有維持效力 |
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那你知道現在兩面嘛現在美國對我國的產品加徵20%關稅你知道已經對讓蘭花、台灣雕、鬼頭刀這些外銷的農漁產品產生很大的危機嘛這點你總認同嘛 對不對所以我們用農業的產業支持跟金融支持來協助他們如果連產業都要被滅頂的話支持只是什麼只是亡羊補牢的唯末手段農業部是很努力而且確實的掌握這些狀況 |
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蘭花業者直接說20%負擔不起農民業者說漁民說養殖成本要破產利潤快要為零當然我知道現在關稅裡面有難題可是我這邊民意代表反映我們人民的真實的哭聲這農漁民真實的哭聲所以為什麼前面我一直要問你總要讓大家知道我們政府到底有沒有把這些農漁民的權益包裹上談判桌連這一點 |
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你們不肯回答但是我跟你講如果你的原則院長如果你原則一次都不肯回答我也沒話說我們會維護農運民運的基本權利你不要挑到另外一題我講的是個態度問題喔這態度問題就是如果你對我都不肯回答我也可以理解啦 |
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但是不是啊對王定宇你們就回答啊我跟委員報告你講的蝴蝶蘭其實我們跟蝴蝶蘭在談非常多次他們都非常有信心持續的去進攻美國市場所以我們也非常有信心的去支持他我們的農民啊很有韌性啦 |
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但是如果我們政府沒有當後盾有韌性也很辛苦來 又以稻米為例美國在跟各國談判都要求包括開放稻米的農產品進口那我們稻農也非常憂心台灣稻米受到衝擊如果說零關稅進口有些人就擔心國內的稻米會被全面擊潰這個擔心存在 |
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我跟委員報告 我剛才已經說了 道米是我們糧食安全主要的項目它也是小農 我都還沒問你談判內容 我只問你這個擔心存不存在嘛沒有 所有的擔心跟衝擊都是應該的啊商利善就擔心啦 他說這是不可逆的破壞啦因為一旦衝擊啊 很簡單啊 你剛剛都講22.5萬的道農啊 |
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影響人民就30萬的升級啊我到現在沒有對你們下什麼指導期沒對你有什麼我只希望你把這些人的聲音放在心中嘛我們絕對有考量到他的農民的人口數跟他產業的重要性好 我想請教來 院長川普政府公佈我們台灣的對等關稅稅率是20%加N嘛 對不對比日本跟韓國還要高嘛 15%高嘛 |
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記有的關稅加上20%暫時性是如此暫時性那日本是15%沒有天花板那舉國震動所以賴總統就說這叫暫時性關稅我們確實是暫時性現在已經一個月快過去了就算從8月7號20%加N的關稅起效算起有兩個多禮拜了請問這暫時要暫時多久 |
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所以剛剛副院長說了這一個月當中八月他引進了三次的視訊會議我們要的是結果啦對 每次都針對問題你講過程我問結果 你講過程結果什麼時候暫時可以結束結果現在還沒有確定發生一個月 |
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可以嗎照美方的說法他的才是10月底至少那我們希望能夠如果說外面來講說因為那個美國跟中國大陸的那個貿易談判要到11月所以可能把台灣包進去可能要拖到11月後也有可能嘛我認為我們跟中國跟美國的談判真的好我要問你一個月還是半年千萬不要跟我講你的暫時暫時要賴清德卸任總不會吧 |
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絕對不會暫時到賴清德卸任吧看美國也沒有那個耐性對啊那謝謝我謝謝我們院長給大家安心希望這個20加N不是暫時到賴清德卸任起碼你也給了我一個日期你給不了一年給不了半年給不了一個月給一個三年我這邊還是肯定你 |
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但是你知道嗎?你知道何澈哭魚的成語典故嗎?有聽過這個成語典故嗎?莊子說的故事他說遇到澈澈積水一條快渴死的魚然後他跟他討說給我一升的水救命就莊子說沒問題沒問題你這是暫時狀態我回去引西江之水來你就得救了魚當場聽了就怒了等你把水引來我就變魚乾了 |
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你懂我說這個故事的意思吧緩不濟急所以我們就在以緩濟急所以非常好非常好所以我跟你講為什麼要問這個戰死的問題就是你們的戰死可能是讓人家暫時停止呼吸到死 |
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對產業而言是有這個風險的我們也知道盡快確定時間穩定當然啦你如果產業一直被扼殺就是有人受害所以拜託腳步加快好不好這個暫時你答應不會再賴清德總統卸任但至少我希望有更加加緊那最後我要想做一點結論我還是恭喜卓榮泰院長留任 |
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那我要恭喜全台大罷免的鐵三角都留任了大罷免32比0大失敗收場柯建民口中去年總統大選一結束就在策劃罷免的鐵三角柯建民說那三個你總知道是哪三個吧就賴清德總統你跟柯建民啊那我想請問一句話你看這句話誰說的 |
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雖然蔡英文總統已經辭去黨主席職務但難惜眾怒身為國家最高行政院長我難辭其咎為了肩負執政黨敗選的責任我必須要辭職負責這誰說的這誰說的就是他們幾位說的賴清德總統說的 |
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2018年九合一大敗賴清德總統當時的院長說他難辭其咎啊 尖挑責任啊然後還要辭職負責啊當時被慰留但是他還是堅持就一個多月後他還是辭職下台我想請問卓議院長這次大罷免大失敗你有沒有覺得你難辭其咎啊 |
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我已經跟總統表示過我應該負起政治責任那總統他知道政治責任應該那按照總統的慣例的話所以你任期只有剩一個多月囉這個意思嗎 總統當時建立的慣例啊我幫你複習因為我們還目前進行的事情很多他希望能夠把局勢穩定下來所以我們做重要人事的調整謝謝您 謝謝謝謝委員支持 謝謝好 謝謝羅委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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下一位我們請陳冠廷委員質詢 |