| IVOD_ID |
163602 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163602 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T11:40:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T11:56:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc88e3ad9a518d7ec9c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84afee9170943cc9f2f35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:22 - 11:56:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席政務機關首長 官員 會長 工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請卓院長以及國發會劉主委和財政部莊部長卓院長 還有劉主委 還有莊副主委副主委今天請假 今天是副主委副主委代理 |
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總委員好 院長好 部長好 副主委好我的標題是產業退稅有需求 調配勞力有方法緩對等關稅衝擊 政府應盡速執行好 請教院長外傳我們財經首長都留任 顯然他們的表現得到肯定院長是不是支持會做事的格遠 |
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我需要會做事的支持是的不只是肯定而且是需要而且會支持很好來我們來看一下就在一個星期前我上次問到了還稅給中小企業財政部主動出擊還記得嗎8月12號我請教過院長說這些受到美國關稅影響他的市場是因為是美國的他受到的關稅衝擊我們把他過去這個產業進口在台灣的關稅我們退還給他院長是全力支持嗎 |
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謝謝委員當地有提出這樣的建議來好 那麼財政部也主動出席了嘛 對不對也開始去進行規劃了嘛 是不是 部長是 跟委員報告我們知道委員很關切這個問題我們也跟經濟部來聯繫對於相關這樣因為受到美國對等關稅政策影響而受到衝擊的產業以及廠商它的一個狀況那以什麼樣的方式來給他們支持好 那我現在也要考一考我們國發會這是副主委 |
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其實我們要做這個政策呢國發也很重要你看我們要精準的找到受衝擊的企業首先這個產業他應該是以美國市場為主剛剛就說了而且呢他在他的主要競爭對手關稅又相對比我們低比如說不是所有的企業出口企業都是我們的對象是不是這樣我要找出他出口市場是美國為主的其次我們要把他跟 |
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他的美國的他的主要對手美國對他的關稅是如何副主委是不是這樣子我們要盤點哪些產業受衝擊是不是應該從這兩個方法目前我們所有對受衝擊產業的一些支持其實基本上都是對著剛剛委員說的好那我們來看一下舉例來講大家都說工具機手工具水五金重電跟塑膠製品那我們來看一下 |
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工具機我們對美關稅24%我們的主要對手德國日本韓國都是15%顯然的工具機受到嚴重衝擊 卓院長是不是這樣 |
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這個在我們評估當中確實是把它列為衝擊性大的產業另外我們來看一下手工具我們雖然是23.3但是越南跟我們一樣主要競爭對手中國比我們還高可能手工具沒那麼嚴重再來看水五金我們是22.6越南也是22.6中國也是比我們高或許水五金的壓力沒那麼大重電我們是22越南是15中國是57比我們高一個比我們低我們可能有影響 |
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塑膠製品我們的主要競爭對手是中國59可是墨西哥跟我們差不多所以從這樣的看法來看是不是像工具機這樣的產業是我們優先要幫助的對象尤其是如果高階的可能我們的競爭力會更弱一點如果中階的我們還有個很好的競爭力如果我們對手是德國日本以外的國家的話我相信我們的產品優越性一定是可以有辦法跟他競爭的 |
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好謝謝副主委考試過關我們請經濟部次長來補來接下來我們要問到一下沖退原料稅的政府分工副主委可以請為我們請次長好 |
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那麼莊部長之前呢我們要財政部來處理這個事情但是報告院長前面呢要有產業別要有產發所先告訴我們說是哪些產業受到影響然後這些產業要國貿署去抓出說他這幾年來銷售美國的需求量是多少然後鎖定這些廠商之後以公司別我們再請財政部官務署去計算這個公司為單位他過去 |
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這三年五年甚至十年台灣的政府跟他扣了多少進口關稅是不是用這個方式才能夠趕快的把這個事情執行莊部長是不是這樣委員報告就是說對於受影響的廠商確實是如剛剛產業署跟國貿署我們會把他會提資料給我們至於是不是從這個關稅的部分來退或者是以其他補助或支持方案來做那這個部分我們後續會再來做處理 |
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那現在進入到哪裡了是不是已經調查出來了這個部分跟我們報告一下我們在8月21號已經把相關的這些資訊已經給財政部那我想財政部他們現在正在核算當中總院長8月21號求在財政部這邊了財政部也說要等到大院我們行政院做出最後的決定所以請院長趕快決定你說權力支持資料在財政部這邊是不是趕快可以核定這樣的一個出口退稅的一個 |
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請莊部長能夠請同仁能夠儘速的 詳實的來將內容與檢查如果符合到所有的條件 規則 標準的話那行政院依照支持產業的這樣的原則跟委員日前的建議我們全盤的來考量實施 |
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好 謝謝 那麼莊部長請回我現在請農業部陳部長好 那麼繼續 卓院長我們剛剛說沖退原料稅以製造業為對象我們看到這個圖很清楚其實製造業大概在這一波受到衝擊最大的除了受到美國關稅影響我們是不是還可以看到 |
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還會造成他減班勞動力的閒置我們來看一下我們看到報紙說每對台客20%的關稅中部產業有減單減班裁員那這裡訂單下滑減班休息的包括電子資訊產業包括運輸工具包括機械包括鋼鐵金屬經濟部次長是不是這樣子這些產業是可能會遇到減班休息的衝擊 |
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好來那麼這種情況之下呢我要跟院長說那遇到的減班衝擊其實勞動部長要起來的其實我想他坐在台下我要誇獎他比較不會尷尬來製造業減班休息勞工生計怎麼辦我們看到了如果是本土勞工勞動部推出了強化雇用安定措施這也是過去疫情期間我們所說到的這幾個產業如果說原來的本土勞工他如果是月領4萬 |
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他因為呢 減班休息他只能領最低工資28,590但是他這就念了薪資差額28,000跟40,000這差額的12,000勞動部呢 用目前的就業安定給他七成的補貼他可以補多少12,000的七成就是8,400院長支持勞動部這樣做吧 |
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是勞動部一直這樣對於勞工安定就業一貫有的方式那我希望他徹底的去執行是的 為什麼沒有請勞動部長來起來因為他都做好了 都做對了所以就不勞他上來了好 但是外籍廠工沒有這個優待外籍廠工如果減班休息他最多就是領28,590元經濟部是不是這樣子是 你說了知道嗎那這樣會什麼情況呢這些外籍的移工廠工他可能會怎樣 |
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他會因為他來台灣就要賺錢嘛他賺不到4萬塊賺不到3萬5只能領2萬8他就另外找地方去嘛好那另一方面這個勞動力他出現了一個不穩定但是反過來看我們看看移工會跟寶桃串聯落跑打工院長你知道什麼是寶桃嗎部長 寶石桃的人對寶石桃的人寶石桃你剛才說什麼叫做我們增開寶桃 |
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有時候一些失聯的移工他會透過特定的人然後去安排他做一些事情你說的失聯的移工啦就是工廠 他進來工廠他不愛做啦他就漏跑啦 老闆把這些人扣扣的現在中部 南島在採茶 他就去搬茶葉茶葉搬完之後 他就要來 要來幫他種西瓜 幫他採 摘鳳梨 |
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院長知道吧農務的這些移工有它的季節性跟收產的這個我們看到過去在2025年就是今年移工一到機場就整個被接走另外有的是怎樣在2018年甚至發生的整個都不見了好 那我們來看一下可是這些移工投入的這些產業 |
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不只是農業可是農業有沒有需求部長你們可以告訴我們院長我們農業目前雖然有農業移工的作為但是實質上使用的移工都是合法引進的嗎 |
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我跟委員報告就是謝謝勞動部的一個協助我們農業的移工大概有兩萬名然後合法的移工進來就是合配有兩萬名大概現在目前用了一萬六千多名那你覺得農業部門只有用合法的移工嗎不可諱言的還有部分的這些失聯的移工投入到農業領域做這些季節性的這些打工其實沒有失聯的移工也在打黑工啦 |
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我們屏東農村喔 很多工廠喔他移工喔 下班之後呢 他要去打工啦我們 民房喔 在吃米啦米是歐 米農啦 米農都要摘去五六點不停耕 米多兩兩就去歐啦都是附近工廠 種植附近工廠的移工喔 他們就去五點五就去歐啊歐到七點五 早上吃菜 回去上班有的是晚上 下班後 再來拍工有的是白天禮拜再來拍工農業部部長 你知道這個情況嗎 |
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為什麼這個情況一直存在著因為有需要我們往下看其實不只是災後的復原我們還往下看其實現在談的是全職轉廠跟就近兼差其實依照目前我們的勞動法令我這個廠商合法引進的移工只能夠使用我不能說我現在工廠停班休息 減班休息我就給別人用 |
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市長你知道我不能因為我的產業我現在訂單少了嘛我引進的移工不適途者嘛我就稍後把人家去加班可以嗎 不可以產業是不可以的 為什麼因為你全職移轉未來會成什麼情況等到我訂單回來了我就要人借 覺得借的回來他就浪費了嘛 |
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所以目前我們工業部門 製造部門最擔心什麼我減單休息之後 減班休息之後我的移工跑掉了等到我的訂單回來了 我要再訂車 |
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正常的時候 勞動部也要給他啊但是這裡已經漏跑的這個移工他就轉入黑市變成是台灣我們撒不掉 摸不掉的一個移工這是我們不希望的所以怎麼做呢其實如果說不要讓他整場移轉讓他就近兼差他就是附近的農場他沒有上班的時間 他去打工我請教一下 農家部長你覺得這樣可以嗎 |
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我們曾經就這個議題就正常的曾經問了幾個企業就是他們週休二是希望他們的員工休息如果他來打工的時候他們也擔心他們打工的時候如果太累的時候第二天上班可能會精神不濟這第一個第二個部分就是說如果要合法去做這些休息的話那相對的相關的規定也要做修正很好就是後面如果要合法的話就規定要修正為什麼我覺得農業部門可以這樣來做呢 |
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因為他不是full time不是每天8小時的他是什麼 藍山的工程你一天來我一小時 兩小時 累輸加班不然就是你每個禮拜你不出去玩你來我們家幫我們弄一些做sheet |
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他因為農場的工作呢是零工有季節性有小規模有地點分散他很難申請完整的像工廠工人這樣的農業移工來做所以這種情況在我們往下看所以呢如果原僱主受到官司衝擊影響他減班休息你與其讓這些移工跑掉跑去其他沒有資格引進移工的工廠做非法的工作全職的移轉 |
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不如你是不是讓他本來週休兩天週工作五天他現在週工作兩天另外的三天他可以透過一些機制到附近的農盲去幫忙院長你覺得這樣的方法有沒有一個可以考慮的評估 |
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那個跟周委員報告因為確實這個移工如果要跨雇主或跨業來去工作那尤其是他本身他不是一個合意的解約的狀況的話這涉及到的制度上面的面向就比較因為勞動部現在我要打斷就是勞動部他的思維還是製造業工業的思維 |
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農業要請全職的移工的需求量不高除非你是農場、牧場我請五個、我請四個我整天一年三百六十五天都需要很多是季節性的所以為什麼農業移工不太好用但是這種兼差來打工的很好他有沒有轉移雇主 沒有 |
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僱主還是原來工廠的僱主僱主同意之下他到鄰近的去兼差打工這個是有討論空間的而且如果你不給他一個合法的管道他就只能繞跑直接去打黑工這反而不是我們樂見的我現在已經請農業部去評估是不是可以用農會來出面農會過去是扮演農業移工的引進單位但是農會不好用但是如果你說原僱主因為減班休息他的移工他還是讓大工 |
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吃頭雞啊所有的負擔都工廠來負擔他現在去把旁邊的農場做一些洗頭是不是這個行政成本你這農場你要做分拓要什麼人來做農民沒辦法做行政要從農會來協助這個行政工程把這工廠因為用不到釋出的這個勞動力他要分拓保險費要分拓大學吃飯這個你構思你不是新的構思你建的這個農場你來分拓農會來衝動 |
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農業部如果這個方法你們有沒有把握可以做到把這些停班 減班休息的工廠移工在他們休息的期間讓農業部門來做適當的使用你們有沒有辦法做好管理我跟委員報告現在農會的部分就有從事我們農業部門他是全職的農業移工 沒好用啦 |
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所以你們要很清楚這我告訴院長最後我告訴你這問題這些法令是勞動部遇到的救護法的規範 |
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他是原則禁止例外許可例外許可要行政部門開放再往下看全職移工沒有僱主轉換的問題只是原僱主同意他的移工去兼工兼差往下看那麼救福法的第7條這些條件都是可以去強化的所以最後的結論請院長承諾我們針對有需求的農業部門的需求我們用方法讓這些受產業衝擊的 |
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義工可以趕快的去執行院長可不可以給個承諾來研究辦理 |