| IVOD_ID |
163600 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163600 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T11:08:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T11:24:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc163ef8bad1dc5da5c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84af5e1aacc5385281515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:08:35 - 11:24:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席我請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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郭文豪院長早我想今天都是國人非常關心的有關關稅的專案報告雖然談判還在進行中我也知道你很多事情沒有辦法現在對國人說但是我必須說從4月到現在國人都在等進一步的消息院長你覺得目前為止政府的處置你滿意嗎 |
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我覺得第一個談判代表團很辛苦再來我們適度的把談判的次數進度向外界講但細節內容到底是有所保留我必須說國人不太滿意啦不滿意的不是說我們談判代表不努力我們都知道這一次川普的關稅他是對著全世界開槍台灣只是其中一個所以沒有辦法怪任何一個人但是他的目標很清楚開放市場 |
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投資美國 講完了所以不做這兩件事就不可能談得好對吧他為了也是要他的貿易赤字還有他的財政政治跟貿易利差 沒錯要跟他貿易赤字的無一倖免不管是不是他的盟友包括日本 韓國 包括所謂的歐盟沒有一個人置身事外所以20加N從8月7號到現在應該還在進行中吧 |
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所以我們就以緩急急的方式所以他就是一個現在進行對我們對特殊的產業有受到傷害所以我們以緩急急來協助他 |
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談判代表很努力美國政府沒有辦法達成協議我覺得還是回到一個問題是政府有沒有讓人民安心啊過程裡面我們沒有人說談判代表不努力但是我覺得人民不夠安心尤其是在7月31號副院長在這邊我想我們必須要表達人民對於這件事情的看法7月31號全部的國人引頸期盼等著行政院的回答 |
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行政院發言人出來說已經在談了而且在寫聯合聲明了我們都覺得很棒啊但是第二天早上起來是突然間發現第一沒有聯合聲明第二不是什麼技術性磋商第三20%就算了過了一天才說28還要加恩這才是今天我剛說國人不滿意的原因 |
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我們知道川普要什麼可是我們不知道我們的行政團隊是這樣的方式讓國人在過程中竟然是受到這樣的驚嚇院長你了解我的意思嗎7月31號為什麼會發明莫名其妙的聯合聲明呢說聯合聲明正在寫一個天早上沒有 |
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既有關稅加上對等關稅這個我們早先就講過沒有以這個強調我會覺得要加強那談判的過程請副院長來說一下聯合聲明是隨便亂說的嗎沒有 我們的確和美方戳傷了所有相關的技術性議題以及聯合聲明相關的內容有戳傷不是正在寫 只是有戳傷但他說的是正在寫 |
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這件事情我的意思是說行政院必須要對國人說個抱歉因為經過幾輪的談判相關的技術性議題大致的共識也完成行政院發言人這樣說對還是不對 |
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是對的 因為我們的確跟美方進行了聯合聲明的磋商所以第二天在最後一輪的實體磋商當中的確有但最後一天沒有能夠達 事實上跟委員報我努力到最後一天所以就是空包燈不是 沒有達成共識有兩個原因第一個是美方沒有得以安排美方不同意所以我們只是自己說說不是 |
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第二美方也有通知我方因為我方的這個逆差結構有九成我只要說這是中華民國政府闖出的最大的笑話啦第二個是第二天才開始吵說20%要不要加N然後看到日本在吵我們才赫然發現我們也要加N然後現在你告訴我們你要去爭取不加N這是對你之前講過了但是全國人民大概只有 |
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美方希望續談是因為我們聯動232半導體ICT這現象我們在記者會有說明全部的媒體都沒有人知道全部的民眾都沒有人知道就是立法委員不認真所以我們都不知道 |
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所以以後不要再闖這種笑話了院長我要說的是不要再有這種surpriseno surprise是一個對國人最重要的立場我們非常尊重委員所以我們希望來國會說明我們很早就希望你們來說明了但是民進黨一直擋著不到你們來說明我現在講一次 院長我只要求一個no surprise |
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不要發生這類似這樣的意外大家都知道很難談我們都理解但是不要有這種surprise所以安心讓人民很重要很難談所以沒有到那個點上我們真的沒有辦法把那個關鍵講出來所以我現在就要問了我們剛剛很多委員都已經問過了其實我們只是要問三句話第一這個暫時新關稅how long 還有多久 |
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你們可以做到剛副院長說的九月底美國財政部長說的十月底可以確定這樣的時程嗎 |
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我們希望越快越好越快越好的確我們在持續推進中一到兩個月之內應該會大勢抵地我們持續推進中那我們也表達了三項目標那希望越快越好那當然這取決於雙方不過我們會全力努力那真正關鍵的因素我剛剛有跟委員讓我說明完就是有關於是半導體供應鏈以及232相關的關稅 |
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那真的就不要告訴人家說我們在你聯合聲明了啦 |
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的確有聯合聲明那如果我們達成協議那因為各國達成協議的模式那你們都談完了我希望剛剛講那些時辰全部公佈給大家聽那時候你的聯合聲明長什麼樣如果可以的話到時候都一起公佈把所有時辰講出來那是不是我跟委員來報告美方達成協議的模式有公佈聯合聲明的有公佈白宮事實文件很少啦只有很重要的很大的國家才有正式公佈最開心的還有日本韓國還跟川普一起照相呢 |
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像前幾天就公布了歐盟的聯合聲明但歐盟是在這個8月1號以前就先宣布達成共識所以他達成共識的方式有多遠我想過程我剛剛講了no surprise就好了前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程第二個我要問的是有多少影響剛剛院長報告的是已經有說了多少廠商現在無薪假可能還有多少的影響 |
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我想問說對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道什麼時候會知道現在正在發生的20加N現在的衝擊評估有了嗎 |
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我們衝擊評估在4月9號我們已經有公布過了而且有各項產品的這個衝擊評估那包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機 機械那個報告裡面都有了副院長不要浪費我的時間好嗎下一個我想問一下你們的談判代表 |
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我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普我們的談判代表到底現在在跟誰談啊 |
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我们过去几个月我们的谈判对口是美国贸易代表署以及商务部那的确美方我们在谈判最终必须进行总结会议但美方的总结会议的形式也有它不同的设定美方总结会议的形式美方会提出它的一个建议方案会做考量我方也会就这个形式来现在的问题就是可能还有下一个 |
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我們現在USDR給我們一直以來的所謂的貿易障礙也就剛剛院長說的他們一直要台灣放寬的叫做相關實案的標準以及開放市場最重要要投資美國這個是USDR長期以來對台灣的所謂的 |
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貿易障礙就是他們美方長期每一年會定期公佈各國的貿易障礙這些我要問的是台灣的談判紅線在哪裡我們看到日本講得很清楚汽車就是他的談判紅線 |
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韓國牛肉食安就是他的談判紅線我想問一下國民健康我們的談判紅線是良食安全國民健康就是我們的原則是所以具體的內容呢具體跟美方來談判但是一個基改食品校園會不會放委員我們在現在在談判過程當中那我就念給大家聽吧30月齡以上的美牛進口 |
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黃牛政的疑慮我們相關的牛血產品跟牛脂違反國際標準這是他們說我們的但我們長期以來不讓這些進入所謂的校園跟軍隊另外就是馬鈴薯還有所謂的萊劑這些都是我們長期以來被美國認為的貿易障礙這一次他有沒有要求把這些放寬 |
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跟委員報告的確各國都會面對美國希望關稅非關稅貿易障礙的這些談判的範圍那美國每年都會 我要說的是齁院長食品安全這件事情就是讓人民知道 委員是不是讓我可以回答 |
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因為這些範圍的確是會在談但是我方一定是以這個糧食安全 國民健康為原則然後依據科學的依據然後國民健康 糧食安全 |
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是我們的原則那我們希望我們在既有的既有的報告委員你剛說的那幾項都是 |
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美方跟我國以及其他各國重新來一些公開的貿易障礙只是委員我說一句良心話我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行但是我要說的是這是人民會關心的事 |
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這是人民最關心的為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙就是因為台灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明我們不知道我們吃了什麼所以我們只要做清楚的標示這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制這其實是你要去爭取的國民健康 管理制度 糧食安全這些都是我們談判的原則它會長期成為貿易障礙就是因為國內有這樣的壓力 |
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我要說的是 蘇院長你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力而不是一味的把這個東西當成說我要拿去交換的東西我要說的是 這應該是你談判的助力這是國內民眾對這件食品安全最基本的要求如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼我們要知道我們換到了什麼 |
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謝謝委員的建議我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則那所有談判的結果我們最後一定送大院來審議現在美中貿易談判延到了90天所以我們會不會是因為這樣美國要先跟中國談然後再來跟台灣談美中談判延到11月初我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了 |
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美方的考量我沒有辦法來代表美方說明你覺得他會不會像WTO一樣就是中國先台灣再來理台灣 |
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我們就是全力以赴院長這是我很擔心的地方美國人可能會拿台灣作為所謂的美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子第二個部分是他可能拿著我們跟中國談不管是軍事或經濟貿易另外也可能用我們去犧牲掉讓他去換取中國的讓步這一點在台灣我們身為民意代表立場我們必須要很鄭重的跟 |
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825.636 |
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兩位說我覺得國人非常在意這件事我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判美國多方的考量他考慮其他的因素這並非我們能夠去主導去影響的但我是希望說對台灣能夠有更合理更好的一個稅率沒錯最後一個問題是在8月23號我們看到一個瘋傳媒的獨家報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
827.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
855.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
說台灣的關稅籌碼出爐了而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出來說我們保證市場全面開放台灣企業四年要投資兩千五百億然後我們採購四年之內要投資一千三百億然後還有十年要三千億然後最後我們還要給他四千億的金融服務支持所以院長我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認這個消息空穴來風還是確有其事 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
856.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
863.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
這些消息未向經紀部查證也未向行政院經貿辦公室查證但是有沒有全面開放市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
864.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
893.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那裡面也有一些資訊跟談判情形有所出入不過因為現在談判還在繼續進行當中那是不是請容我們無法一一的向大院做非常詳細的報告我們也是為了維護最後談判的好的一個結果院長投資美國是不可擋我看全世界不管是日本韓國歐盟都一樣所以投資美國有兩種方法一個是民間一個是國家國家對美採購增加我相信這個也大家都支持軍購的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
894.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
907.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
另外一個是剛剛講不管買美國米買什麼能夠增加你談判的籌碼我相信大部分的國人也可以接受現在的重點是如果我們要大幅投資美國你們接下來上次說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
908.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
908.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
謝謝黃委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
937.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
939.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
謝謝卓院長下一位我們請羅美玲委員 |