| IVOD_ID |
163599 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163599 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T10:42:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T10:58:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adcb52f217d3013b01ac0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84af3729683f6b16f89a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:36 - 10:58:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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黃委員 質詢完畢後我們休息十分鐘謝謝副院長 麻煩院長請左院長備詢另外鄭麗君副院長也請正副院長備詢一定要刑控 |
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國務委員好 國務委員謝謝 大家都辛苦政府院長也是 因為談判的事情很繁重你還欠我一次約定 但是國事為重我現在請教幾個大家比較關心的議題 |
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那我覺得在努力的談判過程當中我們常常因為保密或者是還在過程當中不便透露因為這樣導致被誤解我覺得這個是最為冤枉的所以在可以透明的情形下盡量透明讓民眾了解現在遇到什麼狀況我第一題要問的比較簡單大家一直在傳聞說美國希望台灣開放整車的市場全車的市場 |
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那有關美國整車免稅來到台灣這件事情到底在談判有沒有觸及它在未來有沒有可能發生你方便回答到什麼程度我都尊重了是不是請政府院長回答一下謝謝委員我想整個談判過程我們每一次的實體談判其實有向社會來說明我們談判的進程那我們也說明說我們談判的議題觸及關稅非關稅貿易障礙 |
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貿易便捷化 經濟安全數位貿易以及投資採購等商業機會我們也有向社會來說明相關的範疇 |
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那这里面当然随着谈判的进展那美方会持续性的提出他的期待那尤其美方在各国谈判的过程当中那一如大家也会要求美方也会期待各国要提供这个市场开放所以就有关关税非关税贸易障碍部分的确我方也会磋商不过我们都会我把命题说精准因为时间有限 |
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因為賴總統也曾經宣示過我們願意在某一些產業上把我們市場開放那對消費者是加惠的坦白講台灣我們主要的產業是在做汽車零組件整車的那一家公司扶植了那麼多年該成材找成材了現在還在進口中國車所以對消費者或台灣民眾來講 |
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整車零關稅我可以降低我的採購的負擔啊對美方來講日本也有要求對韓國也有要求日本是汽車大國 |
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他還是要開放所以我覺得這個命題太明顯了那我該問的就是說因為我發現這兩天有一些有一些在評論這個事情的人因為這個點有一些誤會那產生了一些怨言我的題目很簡單針對美國整車免稅來台就是開放市場 |
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我們在談判當中這一點到底有沒有觸及未來的可能性是大還是小向委員報告美方的確會期待市場開放那當然我們也會基於產業利益然後國民健康糧食安全來均與討論所以我們也會就這個部分來研商那這當中美車的部分其實除了關稅也有非關稅貿易障礙 |
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因為每規車要進來也會涉及相關的安全 空無造影等相相關的標準雙方的制度性的如何的對接所以這個都在談判的範圍裡面在談判的範圍裡面可以跟委員說在談判的範圍裡面那等到我們所有談判抵定之後我們所有的細節一定會向國會跟社會完整的來說明所以這個是有在談判的範圍內 |
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因為這先到測案的規範 驗證的標準等等那個是技術問題所以如果有在談判的範圍內也就在總結談判結論出來的時候它就會出現了目前因為我們都在技術性磋商過程大致因為技術性磋商我們才能夠堆疊出最後整個談判的結論總結談判大致上我們在這些範疇都有進行研商但我方還沒達成協議最重要是還沒有進行總結性的會議總結性的會議 |
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有沒有預計什麼時候要開目前從8月1號回來之後我們經過三次視訊那我們這個視訊現在接下來談判目標第一個再降對等關稅第二爭取不疊加第三因為台灣我們有九成的逆差來自ICT跟半導體這個聯動美方現在正在制定的232關稅的政策所以一併戳傷232 |
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那我們這個三次達成一定的共識之後 美方會安排總結性會議所以從8月1號 台灣被放在NXI在NX1裡面之後你們開過三次視訊會議所以這個三次視訊會議就是在朝著總結性會議的進度邁進然後把對等關稅跟232相關的項目有關不疊加以及把對等關稅往下降 |
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目前有没有方向我们已经表达了争取但是因为要到这个总结性会议在协商最终的税率的时候才会有一个定案那通常我们在视讯会议是give and take我们表达这样的期望那他一定会提出条件来要怎么样子才能往那个方向迈进谈判是这样因为我们的对口有贸易代表署然后我们会就刚刚我所提的这些范畴 |
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還有未來可能雙方要達成協議的這個框架協議逐條逐項的討論那我們也同步的跟商務部來持續就供應鏈的合作因為你是談判的總負責所有的議題都談判完了之後就會來進行總結的會議總結會議就會來議定最後的這個稅率跟所有的條件一併成立所以我在請教你議際這個總結會議 |
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会落在九月份吗我们当然希望越快越好就是落在这些你不赶快越快越好那个暂时性的20%冲击就会越大你这边越快不管是232不管是我们的对等关税或者什么东西开放市场要进到台湾你越早厘清我们离圣诞节那个季节很近了他很多东西在这个时候pending在那里其实是对中小企业我想跟委员报告第一个当然 |
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我們積極推進談判但談判取決於雙方但我們仍然全力努力希望越快越好那我們希望說能夠爭取稅率再降那第二點是因為談判裡面相關的細節我現在無法逐一的回應也是因為為了維繫最好的談判的結果 |
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因為如果說過度揭露相關的條件在最後整體在進行溝通的時候我們國會在監督我國會在監督我都尊重談判的節奏但我現在要問的是我要請教副院長的是你們現在已經從8月1號以後有三次的視訊會議那接下來還會有視訊會議還是接下來就是把各自的文件擬妥準備到下個階段的會議 |
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我們三次視訊會是有一定的進度我可以跟委員講那還會再有多的視訊會議嗎然後我們隨時有在聯繫那我們也希望能夠盡快的來進行進入最關鍵的總結會議的階段目前都在持續的延長中那我們也跟美方表達了我們三項的談判的這個目標 |
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我們能期望在九月份看到更進一步的訊息嗎時程的確取決於雙方不過美國財政部長Besant他也曾經有對外表達說希望尚未完成談判的國家在十月底前可以完成但是我方希望能夠在此之前越快越好對 因為Besant提十月底嘛 |
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那我們希望早一點 只剩9月份嘛因為這個談判還是要花時間的所以從這個時間的落點來看不管這個暫停我們暫時的這個稅率要維持90天或多少天從8月1號開始你們有做了一些進度了那10月份Basin希望都達到結論那大概落點在9月份這個預測 |
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希望啦 我只能講期望啦我們希望越快越好我剛才講到整車這塊我覺得這個牽涉到市場秩序如果這一個日本已經是零韓國是零那台灣如果有預計要往這邊邁進的話我覺得要讓消費者當然整個談判過程我們都會參考社會各界的意見 |
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然後我們相關部會也有跟相關的產業進行溝通觀望跟期待心理是總體經濟裡面有這兩個變數其實影響很大我希望行政要注意這一點那我也要提醒院長這裡比亞迪或中國其他的電動車輛是不可能讓他來這邊洗產地或者傾銷因為他賣不出去了他倉庫堆了一堆 |
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不管是經由泰國或任何第三國要洗進來台灣這個是萬萬不可這個不僅是會影響到談判因為洗產地也會影響到我們國家的國安跟治安我希望經濟部或者我們行政院這一點要很明確的態度我比亞迪不管你要改成任何名字從哪裡來或者其他中國電車你中國的倉庫堆滿碼頭銷不出去台灣絕對不讓你請銷我們基於國安治安也不讓你進來我更不容許你來這邊洗產地 |
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這個席產地是川普這一次對等關稅裡面主要的目標之一嘛所以我不曉得我們院長跟經濟部這邊有沒有明確的態度經濟部答覆之前兩個原則第一個在台灣生產的一定要符合我們逐年加嚴的在本地化的這個製造率 自治率本地化的是逐年加嚴 |
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第二個無論他中國的產品如何繞道貼牌換牌過來我們都嚴格的管制我們希望這維持的是台灣的產業經濟的安全以及我們在這整個供應鏈上能夠維持現在的地位來經濟部是不是簡單說明一下跟委員報告就是說中國的品牌車不管是從哪一個地方其實我們就是 |
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全力的防堵他進到台灣來所以我們是不准他進來的是是是因為人家以前特洛伊木馬還要放一些香檳美酒拐你拖進去我們沒有到你自己花錢買了一堆小木馬進來啦這一點要守住所以我也希望公開呼籲很多的業者現在還在做一些廣告 |
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對社會會產生不實的狀況還在置入啦我已經要求經濟部能夠跟業者之談不要做這些誤導性的廣告甚至於有些在遊說在搞置入行銷置入新聞的 揭露來讓社會大眾知道誰在收錢辦事幫忙做遊說我覺得這個透明化 |
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大家看得清楚那到底是廣告還是新聞到底是廣告還是遊說背後的力量我覺得行政院這一塊可以印起來把它做揭露資訊的透明揭露嚴格執行我接下來請教院長其他可以請回有關這一次對等關稅談判的農業開放的議題我只提一點 |
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我們現在台灣的公糧收購其實我們在立法院常常提到公糧收購都講到本土農業一公斤9塊多或幾塊那這個在農業的議題上公糧收購的價格定太高會影響到自由市場反而對農業不利啦這個我今天不討論這一塊我今天要講的是就我們了解我們的公糧收購除了像台灣的農民收購以外 |
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我們也有跟國外買有跟泰國跟美國買是不是農業部部長這邊可以說明我跟委員報告就是在稻米部分當初在加入WTO以後有所謂的配額制那配額是一年是144,720噸 |
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這個配額裡面又分一個是政府配額 一個是民間的那政府的部分就是由政府來採購就是您剛才講的由公糧進來我現在講說我們都以前大家國外人都以為公糧收購就是我們這裡正在檢查的稍微放在倉庫裡面都以為是買本產的米其實我們有一塊是因為當年世貿組織加入之後要求是對國外買那我們看到川普總統要求日本開放他的米 |
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讓美國米可以賣過去對日本來講米雖然產值不大可是他們本來說是神聖不可侵犯的領域他也開放了就我們現在看起來台灣的公糧收購有買美國米嗎我們一年買幾噸大概一年大概是六萬四千噸左右我現在要問的是如果我們在去美國談判的我們有關公糧收購本來就一定要買公糧一定的配比就要買外國米的話我能不能乾脆就多買美國米 |
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不過我跟委員報告就是稻米因為是我們糧食安全非常重要的產品而且我們國內是小農制影響的農民數大概22萬所以在稻米我們還是盡量跟美國溝通就是說稻米是我們糧食安全一個非常重要的那您剛才說的日本的部分是用配額的方式去處理 |
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他用配額去買他也是用配額的方式處理但是日本跟台灣不一樣我們能不能在不影響我們本土米本土公糧收購的狀況下在配額上做調整我多買一點美國米把關稅降下來對生產製造業有幫助我也沒影響到容業可是我把配額米 |
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多買一點美國這樣會不會違反WTO的規定WTO規定只有下限的部分上限的部分沒有我還是跟委員報告我們還是積極去跟美國溝通但是我們也同時也想了非常多的因應的方法最主要是不會影響到不會衝擊到我們的農民是第一要件的當然 農民是根本那個要保護他 |
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我們本來公糧收購就在買外國米在那個比例上我們讓談判代表有至少有個工具可以去談因為公糧收購如果全部買本產米那另外一回事長年來我們都買泰國米 |
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897.439 |
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有大概一年大概兩萬八千噸左右還有其他國家還有越南米越南米還有日本米這兩塊對我們不太好我的意思是說我們現在談判的時候我不好意思講一些話但我的意思是說在對外採購米的時候有時候美國要求的是一個公平那個產值其實不大我們在配合上調整一下在意識上順了讓我們關稅談判多一點武器其實不壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
898.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
913.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
不轉動維持嗎對 我知道但是政府配額裡面的國家配額是固定的它是比較難調整那剛才說的就是說用其他的方式這一題讓農業部去思考不影響本產米怎麼樣在幫助談判上 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
915.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
935.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
又符合我們世界貿易組織的規範上去處理然後我最後10秒鐘提醒行政院就是說如果我們對美軍事採購的金額這麼高他們容許商售方式列入貿易赤字的額度計算的話那我們就應該好好精算累一點把它拆開來買一樣的東西但是列入貿易赤字的底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
943.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
945.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長 |