| IVOD_ID |
163595 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163595 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T09:40:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T10:26:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:46:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adc5778f0b0f5cbb4a0c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84aff0a2f51fd5bd8c715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:15 - 10:26:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席請卓院長請卓院長備詢部委員 學委員 林委員 三位委員好卓院長好經過了整整將近一年的時間整個國家空轉 |
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不斷地衝刺從總統 院長 部會首長執政者的國會議員到執政者的所有的宣傳工具一連當中不斷地攻擊在野黨所謂中共同路人 所謂共匪立委讓台灣不斷地撕裂 撕裂再撕裂 |
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要弱化在野監督的力量在昨天在前天兩天前人民已經做出了一個完整的一個決定左院長對於報載所有媒體報導去年1月13號總統大選結束以後1月14號賴總統跟您還有柯總召決定一年後 |
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要推動大罷免希望能夠一黨專政然後現在終於所有的事情人民已經很清楚的告訴執政者並沒有這樣的事情哪一件事情沒有這樣的事1月13號 1月14號之後 |
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總統或是跟任何人要推動大罷免這件事情並沒有這樣的事情但是當時媒體報宅的時候你們並沒有否認啊當時說的是對立法會跟兩院互動關係當時就應該要像現在告訴全國國人沒有這件事嘛對不對那當時為什麼不來否認好沒有關係現在講也可以 |
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但是對於整個國家的空轉包括不斷的誣陷攻擊 再也立委現在人民已經做出了決定不管是有民進黨在台灣的獨裁專政亦或者是民進黨的國家能源政策人民已經給出了很清楚的答案對於內閣是不是要總辭 |
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所以你講什麼看法總統已經說過7月26號之後我已經數次跟總統談論到這樣的話題我認為不是因為罷免不罷免的問題而是整個在政策推動上 |
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過去那段時間的不順暢跟未來有沒有辦法順暢的推動這才是行政院該檢討的行政院不只是檢討過去那一段是未來我們要做什麼責任政治在哪裡責任政治在哪裡我希望總統 如您剛剛所說過去政策推動不順利政策推動不順利包括政策是否適當 |
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第二個是否有完整的溝通第三個是否獨裁專段這三件事情你認為你做到了嗎第一個沒有獨裁專段第二個溝通必須加強第三個政策推動不順利是因為有些政策 行政院因為違憲之前我們有示愛難行再野黨 |
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什麼時候溝通過了我們曾經到行政院裡面來談過話幾次至少有兩次以上所以卓院長在這一年多當中跟在野黨的溝通是兩次行政院透過執政黨團跟在野黨團的溝通那是每天都在進行的過去一年我們只衝刺看到 |
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執政黨團不斷的造謠不斷的申飛有什麼時候來溝通每個黨團都很努力 不斷的攻擊不斷的對在野立委的監督不斷用各種不堪入耳的方式的攻擊就光講今天的專案報告就好了4月2號發生美國川普總統對全世界 |
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無差別的要求加碼關稅對全世界的經濟衝擊國民黨團立刻要求 沈院長要到院報告到今天幾個月了 四個月 五個月執政黨團還在這裡護航 您來這裡報告多少次 |
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我們當時就希望你來說清楚講明白我們得到的答案是什麼執政黨民進黨團堅決反對我們要再一次的表達不管心不甘情不願也好主動跟國人說明也好卓院長本來就應該在第一時間到國會來跟國人做一個報告即便是有很多內容是不能透露的 |
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我們都可以尊重那要通過溝通大家了解以後相忍為國而不是在發生這麼大的事情以後五個月後才來報告所以總院長您對這一次全國國人民意就誠如賴總統所說更大的民意最新的民意已經出來了總院長 |
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內閣要不要總辭內閣的重要人士會做 |
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主要人事的一個調整那我跟總統提出過必須負起政治責任總統認為在這個時候局勢要穩定下來很多已經在推動的事情以及明年總預算的編列都要同時進行那其實我認為在8月23總預算也已經編列完成了全國性的投票秩序良好那應該是一個時間但總統還是認為持續把工作做下去在總統的整個治國的理念之下他認為是最好 |
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那麼我在這個原則底下我們就展開主要人事的調整第一個這一年多的執政以及國會以及國家以及台灣整體的內耗空轉已經非常的清楚人民已經做了這樣的一個決定卓院長本席不是針對您這是一個民主國家最基本的風骨 |
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在禮拜六晚上 卓院長就必須公開開記者會來表示內閣總詞這是最基本的至於總統要不要留要不要公開留什麼理由來留 我們都尊重 |
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但是你最基本的表態 必須讓全國國人看見這不是表態的問題 我已經向總統提出了這不是表態不表態 這是真實認為 責任正是國家不是您跟賴總統兩個人的國家是全民的 態度必須要出來我們政治的考量跟政治的互動 這是一種選擇世界所有媒體的報導 |
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跟我們最寧靜的關係也最深厚的日本獨賣新聞對於企圖罷免在野黨台灣人民否決 再來東洋經濟 台灣政治今天一陷入嚴重的兩極化這是誰造成的沒有溝通 從來不溝通 霸道 |
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就是執政者的標章再來學者日本小立委員表示賴清德也失去日本媒體的信任從獨賣到朝日都不樂見罷免對台灣不樂觀好 再來美國外交政策期刊呼籲川普 |
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要約束台灣再來BBC針對執政黨說所謂在野立委是親中的大罷免如何撕裂了台灣再來黃柏台灣選民否決這次的大罷免卓院長 |
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北溪講過很多次在這裡再一次的呼籲您身為國家的葛魁一年多來有多少的衝突但是你只有兩次兩次的溝通 |
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不要為難國會議長禮拜六本席看到賴總統對全國人民以及媒體的發問跟回答本席非常的意外 |
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當民進黨立法院黨團再三的要求韓國瑜韓院長議事要中立不得介入任何的黨務賴總統竟然說要請卓院長跟韓院長溝通不要又把責任推到韓院長身上來包括我跟韓院長溝通不是黨務啊是兩院互動模式是必須 |
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必須讓各個政黨各個黨團包括貴黨黨團在內有很多人都有不同對您的施政很多人都有不同的意見我虛心接受不是你接不接受的問題你要去溝通的問題我們全面改進但是我有一句話今天我們在這裡對話應該是針對今天的主題如果是韓院長在的話大概會制止你這樣的發言希望要盡快的來溝通 |
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如果韓院長再會制止你今天的發言為什麼不針對今天的主題啊這都是整個國家的互動最關鍵的一環卓院長啊 不要再閃避問題我沒有聽到任何問題 今天的主題 |
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剛剛講的都是台灣現在發生最嚴重的問題我們都了解 怎麼不是問題呢各位怎麼可以經過民意 用婆鳥心來嬰兒盜鈴呢經過民意我們都充分了解我們也面對民意的改變了解了你的做法是什麼嘛所以本席剛剛在這裡苦口婆心請卓院長不要再把責任推到國會議長身上 |
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你們對各黨的溝通是什麼賴總統到現在為止既沒有跟國民黨主席民眾黨主席坐下來談行政院長也沒有針對每一件國家重大的事情跟在野黨保持暢旺的溝通本席希望如果正如你所說 |
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蔡總統堅持要留任 左院長我們尊重但未來的溝通請拿出誠意用常態性的溝通對每一件事情能夠有一個清楚 完整讓在野黨能夠了解大家可以共體時間但是我們不能瞎子摸象內容完全不了解我們要怎麼樣來支持 |
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要更何況要怎麼樣來背書我希望卓榮泰卓院長希望你改變過去一年多的戰鬥模式現在必須真正成為中華民國的行政院長而不是民進黨的行政院長我們曾經說過要做四項調整調整國家財政體質調整施政的先後順序調整兩院互動以及調整內閣人事我們逐步展開 |
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本黨團拭目以待今天不是個人的施政總諮詢今天是專案報告我們三位包括徐議貞委員 林倩琦委員都是代表國民黨團來就教於卓榮泰卓院長好我們看一下這個 |
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昨天的聯合報跟中國時報報頭我們就不再提這個事情本期現在要請教一下現在對美關稅地板是20%還要加上WTO相關的這些稅率 |
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再加上台幣升值大幅升值對外銷產業的重創基本上來說這個就是莫衷一事在野黨完全看不懂執政者今天的談判如此的失敗日本 韓國 台灣最大的競爭者都是15%的上限 |
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天花板因為他們已經達成協議我們20%是地板我們還在努力爭取更合理的稅率同一個時間從4月2號開始各國開始跟美國溝通我們並不是在不是在同一個起跑點上大家都在同一個時間面對這個問題 |
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如果日本韓國已經達成協議台灣還沒有達成協議這個基本上就已經失職就已經失職因為新版關稅已經實施已經實施由不得時不待人 |
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台灣產業已經面對這樣的衝擊我剛剛已經說過了因為我們的密差比較大而且232對我們的產業是比較影響多我們居於這樣關鍵性的領先地位這兩個部分都是像現在請告訴國人什麼時候可以談好談判是雙方2月1號到現在已經快一個月了我們國內的產業已經忍受到將近一個月的高關稅 |
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對產業支持我們先用以緩計及方式在特別預算出來之前我們用以緩計及的方式先向 進行產業的支持 您所提出的881加51 931立法院也支持啊現在但是我們不能永無止境的等待我們尊重 左院長你的說法 感謝很多都在談判過程中都還在保密好 |
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請問什麼時候可以Data是什麼時候什麼時候可以做最後的確認要不要請談判代表來說一下現在努力的進行你不瞭解狀況嗎我當然知道 談判代表就請你直接回答本席好不好我跟委員來做一個報告從8月1號以來我們跟美方有繼續進行三次的視訊會議請教先回答本席的問題什麼時候可以談完 |
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我們當然希望越快越好那談判取決於希望是代表什麼意思回溯我們在8月1號前沒能達成協議最重要的一個因素就是因為我國出口七成是半導體及ICT尤其占逆差的九成 |
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那美方也表示這個項目在美方232的調查底下那也連動美方232關稅的政策方向所以台美需要一些時間持續就對等跟232一併對談 一併並談所以我們持續在這個談判中那我們希望越快越好那美國財政部長所以今天到立法院正式專案報告是給 |
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有夢最美 希望相隨希望 希望產業都絕望了 你們還在希望我們全力以赴 越快越好那關於產業現在受到的衝擊我家什麼叫全力以赴你把外交辭令帶到這裡來人民快要活不下去了報告委員 我們上禮拜五還在視訊會議 |
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這本來就該做的事情 不需告訴我嘛你們本來就該做的事情嘛 你說 談判什麼時候進行上禮拜五還在談 表示這個談判一直在進行當中有需要 談判代表會指揮美國去談判為什麼有一個這麼無能的政府嘛什麼叫希望嘛 |
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不是 我們現在報告委員已經在進行的事情談判小組我們正在全力的進行談判當中那由於台美雙方在232的議題有關半導體跟ICT產業是相對於其他國家232的項目相對於複雜跟變動性我們全力佈陣在談判經濟努力當中如果你帶來的只是希望兩個字 請回 |
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1189.912 |
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1194.737 |
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不會 我們會用結果來證明我們的努力主席 兩位請回 |
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1195.97 |
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1219.216 |
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告訴我們就是希望 兩位請回我們全力以赴 繼續努力爭取最好的結果 爭取更好的合理的稅率我們也必須要向大院做以上的報告報告委員 我剛剛說過國際談判難上加難最後的時間就是雙方條件多你們能力不足嘛 講白了就是這樣嘛那本席在這裡 |
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1223.12 |
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1239.169 |
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一定要很強烈的讓院長了解台積電我們一分鐘來回顧一下中華民國政府在1974年民國63年當時的經濟部長我再強調一次經濟部長孫運璿 |
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1247.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1268.383 |
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帶了七人小組在豆漿店裡面開啟了台灣的科技奇蹟在65年跟RCA簽約派了一批優秀的科技人才到美國去學習 再來 |
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1271.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1299.518 |
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在民國74年成立了台灣集體電路公司台積電並邀請張忠謀來擔任負責人卓院長這是我們台灣的手心我們的心骨肉台灣人民的心骨肉我們的政府跟全民所培養出來的 |
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1300.376 |
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1316.288 |
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給了各種的優惠前面來留住人才這個台積電在民國76年1987年台積電公司成立請問一下周院長當時的李國鼎經濟部長跟現在的經濟部長 |
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1330.279 |
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1351.267 |
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剛剛請辭的郭志輝面臨這4月2號到現在為止四五六七八五個月請問台積電當時去美國跟美國總統川普在白宮開記者會的時候郭志輝部長說他不知道 |
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1355.814 |
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1361.78 |
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那再請問我們所有對美關稅談判過程當中經濟部長有沒有參與 |
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1363.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1387.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我們提出的對產業支持都是經濟部所提出來的我們對工業的出口進口對產業支持經濟部我說對美談判他有沒有參加嗎回答我問題有這麼困難嗎我們對工業出口的稅率 進口的稅率等等我們都是經濟部所提出來我們用這個稅率去進行談判的怎麼會沒有談判呢那你就告訴本席他有參與就好了嘛 |
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1388.827 |
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1391.673 |
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對不對 當時的經濟部長是製造台灣奇蹟的人現在的經濟部長 一問三不知 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1398.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1412.289 |
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報告委員 每個時代的經濟部長都要面對不同的挑戰現在時代的經濟部長比較不重要了可以不用參與就對了當時一個李國鼎 孫運璿可以造成台灣的奇蹟我到工業區的時候我都會感謝當時李國鼎當時孫運璿院長 李國鼎部長當時帶領那批年輕工程師締造台灣目前的高科技產業我都這樣講過 |
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1426.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1449.125 |
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六時代的經濟部長不一樣啦 本席瞭解現在是廁所裡的花瓶啦完全不是核心 也沒有參與任何所以第一時間所有全國媒體問他他都不知道這個事情再問他說川普說要投資台積電要投資兩千億 三千億他說這是假新聞這就是現在執政團隊的經濟部長淪為國際的笑話 |
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1453.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1480.749 |
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我對郭志輝部長抱屈啊完全排除在外的核心 排除核心之外的人並非如此何必讓他當經濟部長委員你這樣子講真的我也要替他抱屈 並非如此再來 本席請教一下國家安全法第三條國家的核心關鍵技術之營業秘密台積電是不是是不是 |
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1481.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1508.885 |
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是不是適用國安法第三條是國家核心關鍵技術台積電不僅對國家重要對世界重要它當然是國家的核心關鍵技術好 謝謝所以再來我們公司對外投資處理辦法第六條不與核准影響國家安全對國家經濟發展有不利的影響 |
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1510.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1539.411 |
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請問台積電是不是對外投資如果核心技術移走是不是對台灣會造成相當大的影響下一頁不管依照國家安全法第三條的第一項第三項還是公司國外投資處理辦法第五條請問一下 |
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1541.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1545.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
卓院長台積電什麼時候要送神 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1546.735 |
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1574.509 |
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台積電要送審由台積電台積公司他們提出來要送審的時間由他們提出但是我們依據的就是包括委員剛剛所說的原則在內我們希望他在台灣搶但他經過他審慎頭思考要世界佈局的時候只要合乎我們的條件政府並不會阻擋但是我們要求跟留台灣我們要求台灣加一我們台灣要求關鍵技術要留在台灣核心的研發留在台灣這個原則不變 |
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1603.587 |
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對美有N-1嗎有N-1嗎我們對台灣N-1在台灣要外國投資的台灣不能減少對國外投資有沒有N-1美國的政策我不瞭解美國是不是N-1台灣對外的投資生產技術關鍵要關鍵技術有沒有前一代出去投資有沒有台灣一定要保持最領先的位置所以對外國的投資都不應該把核心技術往外所以對外投資 |
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1605.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1634.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
有確實執行恩檢運嗎在審查投審的審查過程當中一定是嚴格要求這關係到台灣的經濟命脈跟國家販產跟國家安全台灣日本美國更不要說三座晶圓廠兩座先進封裝廠主要研發團隊都搬過去來我們看一下台日韓關稅對美投資承諾的比較我們看一下日本 |
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1635.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1663.154 |
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五千五百億美金韓國三千五百億美金台灣大概多少億美金雙方都有提出一些方案還沒有達成協議所以現在沒有做任何實質承諾卓院長 您還是用你的老辦法再次在國會告訴國人說還沒有達成協議好 那本席給你一個強烈的建議日本 |
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1664.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1680.785 |
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承諾的5500億美金是因為日本的GDP 4.1兆美元他大概是用國家GDP的13%承諾投資韓國 南韓1.87兆美元的GDP投資18.7到美國台灣只要是2500億美金就32%我們的GDP |
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1694.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1699.908 |
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3000億美金是38%4000億美金是51%我們台灣的GDP本席絕對不同意你們最後談這個協議是喪權辱國讓台灣世代都無法承受的這樣的財政壓力 |
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1718.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1741.429 |
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好的 謝謝委員這一段我記住我請談判代表特別把副委員所提的這一段詳細記錄出來我們在談判的時候要用這樣的數據對外去做說明這個副委員教談判代表的一個內容那如果談判有成我們一起為這樣的結果大家一起來享受這個成果如果談判遇到困難我們也希望大家共同來承擔這是當然雖然是民進黨在執政但是現在發生問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1748.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1772.522 |
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全民都要承擔在野黨當然願意給我們的政府當靠山不過我跟委員講這一句要談出最好的條件這一些數據跟依據各國GDP的比較我們在談判代表都生計在心都生計在心也都用這樣來做依據的不管對美投資2500億 3000億 4000億美金 |
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1774.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1797.015 |
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有沒有包括台積電的兩千億 有沒有台積電我知道它是實際精準一點數字是1650億目前1650嘛 川普大定義宣布兩千了嘛那他應該把它沒有關係 1650還是兩千億都可以請問有沒有包括在對美投資裡面 |
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1797.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1813.551 |
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中華民國最美投資的這整個區塊有沒有就我政府立場任何一家國家的產業去投資都當作是我們國家出去的投資就我政府的立場是我們的立場是希望談判上一定要堅持這是包含在內另外我們中油採購的阿拉斯加600萬噸的天然氣有沒有包含在內 |
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1820.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1845.816 |
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目前這個還在初步的整個開發計畫還沒有完全成熟是在找一些合作投資的對象國家而已我們是表示基於能源安全我們願意購買更多安全的能源總院長 希望購買更多安全的能源 謝謝本席在這裡 希望您確認一個事情 |
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1848.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1874.144 |
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在你承諾美國要簽署協議之前我希望你承諾在對美簽署協議之前要把完整的協議內容不是協議內容而已對國內產業所有的衝擊還有民生的影響這份報告送到立法院會的再過來 |
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1874.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1903.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我們談判過程絕對不能降低我們食安的標準還有標示等等我不能降標國人健康跟糧食安全是四大原則裡面重要兩項另外兩個就是維持國家的利益跟產業的利益對於現在20%疊加關稅往上架往上架我們政府所有紓困的方式清單 |
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1905.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1915.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
要盡快送到立法院到時要一併送來立法院在修正條例當中原來的條例以及預算當中對國內產業解放是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1916.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1944.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
要必須很完整送到立法院來在任性條例以及修正案當中以及未來的特別預算裡面我們會強烈的來說明那當然如果委員提出任何的詢問我們各部會一定加強說明不僅讓國會瞭解也讓各產業瞭解這才是重點我們看一下齁當時影響台灣非常非常大的改變台灣政治方向也讓民進黨能夠順利執政當時台南化的訴求我們看一下 |
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1945 |
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1973.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
這邊我們還要重申兩岸協議監督條例的堅持的五大立法原則包括公民參與包括國會監督 人權保障資訊公開以及政府負責第二點我們的成果 我們的訴求是先立法再審查推推 黑小福報推推 黑小福報推推好 主席院長過去是先立法再審查 |
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1975.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1997.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
現在我們完完全全都不知道它的內容是什麼那是立監督兩岸的法 兩岸監督條例對外只要把台灣的核心辦出去通通是一樣影響到台灣的生存發展 卓院長 |
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1998.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2026.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
不要迴避這些台灣核心關鍵技術建設技術不會往外移我們至少保持最領先的這個世代這個是政府跟業界共通有的共識大家也會遵守要給您一個非常大的一個建議對美的談判總院長要加油給鄭麗君副院長我知道你談判很辛苦但是要盡快有結果 不能讓人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2027.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2056.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
永遠在空等苦等本席在這裡強烈的建議當川普大帝要我們投資美國我們的政府如果是投資一千億美金舉例我們希望美國附帶的條件給台灣的條件必須要提供華爾街的融資舉例來講阿拉斯加我們要投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2059.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2067.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
不管是他的建設建構阿拉斯加輸氣管線整個設備440億美金如果我們要投資的話還是預購未來的600萬噸請美國提供融資我們投資1000億請他融資900億或是800億美金 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2089.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2116.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
就是一個方式同時也希望這家公司能夠美國要求我們投資的公司跟項目請他們用公司債的方式發CP有保證投報率我們來購買他的CP一切的建設由他自行操作但是投報率必須高於 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2118.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2126.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
他們給我們的貸款的利息這才能確保台灣的經濟不會被損耗掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2129.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2153.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
學長可以嗎阿拉斯天然氣的投資案不是美國單獨或是美國跟台灣兩國是一個國際性世界性現在都在討論的也多數國家提出興趣國際性更應該要這麼做我認為會有一道標準我認為會有一個標準是各國可以通用或是可以大體通用的一個方式那我們當然站在國家立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2154.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2182.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
委員所提的 我們都曾經這樣的設想過許多的方案但還不到那個時候 還不到那個時候本席跟你強烈建議 要這麼做這個才不會拖垮台灣的財政跟台灣的產業就談判的方式來講 我們現在還沒有到那個程度我們不會輕易提出 既然是一個多國成立的公司更應該讓美國政府用國家的力量讓這家公司能夠盡快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2184.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2212.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
在美國上市在美國IPO發行公司在有保障的投報必須高於華爾街所提供的銀行利息才能讓我們國家的經濟立於不敗之地左院長請你慎思再來我們現在AI產業要代表我們整個國家在未來世界的科技發展裡面還在領先群 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2214.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2240.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
要用多少的電力啊所以你講 電力就是國力 就是戰力我們如果沒有電的話我們現在的配比 80%火力發電氣 火力發電大家用廢發電本期希望齁給您建議啊 這一次對美的投資 |
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2245.592 |
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前天希望重啟河山台灣人民跟不希望 不同意重啟河山是三倍的民意 三倍的民意因為大家不希望用昂貴的電讓國家沒有競爭力很希望您這次對美談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2271.826 |
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2294.882 |
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把最先進最安全全世界都期待的小型核能也把它列入投資或是政府必須購買的項目裡面可以讓台灣的電力不予匱乏讓全世界最先進的產業科技產業能夠走進台灣讓台灣能夠吸收更多的 |
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2296.356 |
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2321.983 |
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這個國際的投資能夠走進來第一個 他們就問有沒有電力卓院長可以把它納入嗎我們說過新的核能技術總統也講過先進的核能技術都是未來我們可以開放討論接受學習的目標它如果真的可以解決安全的問題沒有核廢料的問題而我們共同都有社會高度的共識這個就會成為未來台灣能源政策一種新的思考模式卓院長 |
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2324.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2348.789 |
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台灣不是世界最先進的國家先進的國家他的能源是怎麼使用怎麼配比這是台灣政府要好好來學習的不要一味的用教條式的話術這個人民已經投完票了請尊重民意做政策的調整 |
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2353.868 |
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2371.426 |
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做政策的調整我們尊重結果 相信科學我們願意來共同討論直接拆穿這個世紀謊言什麼風電 太陽能我們希望先進國家的思維是什麼 |
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2373.868 |
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2396.207 |
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這個標題不對 他是對他國內講他沒有拆穿民進黨的謊言民進黨的政策我們會知道要跟國家與時俱進我們會做相同的討論他在講他國內的風電太陽能是世紀謊言嘛那跟我們這邊 你們的堅持不是一樣嗎你們堅持要風電太陽能嘛他講的世紀謊言那不是戳破大家講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2398.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2427.5 |
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本席你尊重你的 不要再那個嘛 對不對不要再背離民意嘛 也不要背離產業嘛要把台北的產業都趕出去嘛 對不對我們看一下一下價格外購風電6.59元 台電公布太陽能光電4.87元 太陽能發電1.38元院長 希望這一張啊 已經貼在床頭啊每天睡覺前看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2428.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2451.543 |
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臺灣要怎麼發展人民怎麼生存請重視一下再看看我們現在用廢發電我們排行連續9年破9000萬噸要臺灣人民用廢發電人民已經做出了選擇請政府適可而止 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2452.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2461.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我們的碳排量逐年在下降台電提出過多次精準的數據可以提供給委員做參考國防預算9495億 創新高 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2468.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2492.88 |
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這當然包括這次對美的包裹這有沒有包括這次對美的包裹所有這些軍工採購都在裡面有沒有這個是明年的總預算加上部分過去的這個特別預算為數不多那就是總預算但是我們採行的是北約的通案的算法把海巡 退府都加進來才達到這個數字現在GDP是3.3% |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2496.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2505.537 |
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我們明天是佔3.3%本席在這裡給你建議代表國民黨團2001年阿扁執政當時2377億的國防預算現在9495億國防預算剛好4倍剛好4倍當時的人均 |
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2525.697 |
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2542.93 |
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GDP是13400美元現在是34000美元我們的經濟成長只有2.5倍但是我們的國防預算增加了4倍還不包括我不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2544.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2556.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
9月份會不會又送了一個大禮包來報告委員 我說過了我們現在的算法是採取北約模式把退府 把海巡等等加進來把資安加進來才達到這個9000多億請問卓院長你把這個加進來2001年阿扁執政這些沒有加進來嗎那時候沒有採北約模式是我們原來的數字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2569.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2597.851 |
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當時 請問一下 當時沒有退幅嗎但是沒有加進來 算國防預算沒有關係 本席現在在提醒您的是我們經濟成長只有2.5倍不管你現在是4倍的國防預算增加還是3.5倍的國防預算增加 還是3倍也好都趕不上經濟成長的腳步周院長 本席要特別提醒您一下 |
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2600.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2619.755 |
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1960年到1990年美國跟蘇聯的爭霸美國用圍堵的政策讓蘇聯軍備競賽經濟被圍堵用一樣的軍費大家火拼到最後經濟跟不上30年時間蘇聯因為經濟崩潰而解體 |
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2625.16 |
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2649.803 |
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如果我們今天沒有足夠的經濟實力來充實我們的國防卓院長卓院長這不只對我們國家的財政是沉重的負擔更對我們所有民生所有的這些知識都會遭到排擠卓院長本席在這裡啊要特別啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2678.528 |
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這個故事北溪要再講一次我們是基於國家的主權安全的維護考量到我們的財政能力所以我們有很多包括不對稱戰爭的因素我們採取國家對國防的需求所以總統現在二月就提出了所以國軍將士加急兩萬塊還是不給總統在今年是已經核定了國軍的加急各類的加急我們希望能夠 |
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2683.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2692.23 |
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這兩萬塊 國軍加起的從一萬到三萬本席希望在預算書送到立法院來的時候本席要看見沒有強健的國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2694.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2720.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
因為為國犧牲奮戰買再多的武器都是恍然很抱歉 這個在預算沒有編列但是我們說過 我們提出釋憲釋憲結果之後對不起我們公告你需要實施你實施的同時 你可以去釋憲請依法 不要違法在釋憲結果之後 釋憲是你的權利我們可以 但是要依法先實施編或不編 如果編會同時補足 要依法先實施本席在這裡 最後苦口婆心 |
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2724.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2750.867 |
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50年前東南亞經濟最強盛的國家叫做菲律賓但是出到一個馬可思總統他的腐敗讓菲律賓人三代為奴台灣三代人的努力我們一定要守住一定要守住希望卓院長 腰桿挺直跟美國人談判 好不好我們堅持國家立場另外徐委員跟林委員有任何的指教 |
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2753.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2755.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
好 謝謝副委員 徐委員還有林委員的質詢 |