| IVOD_ID |
163594 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163594 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-26 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-25T09:23:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-25T09:40:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/40cf74fb6f804adcec940276f531b608c0ac07f6ba1e1b090d65982d227f84af66bd7c4c758768765ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:23 - 09:40:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第26次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案報告並備質詢（8月25日）。二、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日上午）。三、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（8月26日下午）。四、8月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席有請卓院長也請鄭副院長一起請卓院長鄭副院長備詢吳委員好所有的團隊還有我們的談判代表大家都辛苦了 |
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主委員長您知道嗎今天是您這個會期第幾天來到立法院你有算過嗎我是沒有算過我替您算過了每次來都很快樂好 第21天我喜歡你的正能量您是第21天單一會期來到立法院備詢這是前所未有代表行政團隊面對國會監督絕不逃避這是我們的責任就以專案報告 |
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加上明天后天这个会期是七次专案报告也是史上新高这也代表国会关切的议题行政部门也绝对来直求对决而今天更是我们有史以来行政院的副院长第一次站上质询台备询台 |
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因為您要為我們的談判來對國人做更多的說明那首先 真的這是最辛苦的內閣團隊卓院長也是史上最辛苦的行政院長 您同意大家都辛苦了那我自己也常常自嘲啊我是民進黨團有史以來最苦命的阿信幹事長 |
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這段時間我們面臨了挫敗所以說內閣快速的要進行改組而我也認為行政立法一體立法院黨團也不可自外於這一次我們重整隊形 |
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的這一個階段跟這一個陣容當中所以說我個人認為我也呼籲當行政部門來進行改組要反守為攻要主導議題同樣的立法院黨團我們也在重整隊形要擴大參與我們共同的目標就是一樣的 |
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對內要強化整合在內閣是強化各部會的整合在立院黨團是強化五一戰隊之間意見的包容跟討論但是我們一致的對外 |
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對在野黨我們要增進溝通對外面對中國面對世界變局我們都要勇敢前進首先我先給你們莫大的期許因為您也多次的請辭受到總統要求您繼續承擔的慰留 |
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這也是我對五一戰隊的自我鞭策我們首先先用這樣的正能量跟彼此的鼓舞來開啟今天的質詢 |
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那我上面下了一個標喔Never let a good crisis go to waste是我在4月11號那時候也針對關稅的談判我做的質詢的題目我今天依舊沿用因為它依舊是重要的前提面對關稅的談判我們要化險為夷佈局未來我們要轉為維安 |
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如果看在失敗主義者的眼中這一次美國開啟的全球關稅大作戰恐怕會是大災難但是如果看在做好準備的人的身上我們不當犧牲者我們要當獲利者在國際的 |
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全新經貿的新秩序當中台灣要能夠搶得先機創造無可取代的地位首先這是我看待這一次國際談判非常重要的一個目標不是指因應眼前的談判的輸贏更是對準長城國家經貿發展的願景副院長您都同意您也是抱持這樣子的態度在進行談判的過程是不是 |
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是謝謝委員我想首先感謝大院讓我個人今日能夠除了陪同院長也能夠上台來備詢來向大院來說明談判的情形那如剛剛卓院長所報告的目前我國取得談判的是一個階段性的結果 |
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也就是原稅率加上對等關稅20%那談判團隊還在持續努力當中那我回國之後我們8月7號8月8號二度跟美方持續的視訊那就在上週五8月22號我們在進行第三次的視訊 |
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所以這也表示台美雙方還在持續的談判當中那我們後續談判的目標如院長所宣示的我們要爭取更好更合理的對等關稅希望把20%的對等關稅再往下降 |
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並且也要爭取不疊加原來的MFN原有的稅率另外因為我們的出口結構裡面超過七成是半導體及ICT產品美方正在232的調查當中所以美方也希望南美雙方持續就232一併協商需要多一點時間討論所以我們一併爭取232關稅後續可能的優惠方案 |
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這是我們後續談判的三大目標我們一定全力以赴好 謝謝副院長的說明所以您的談判您領導的團隊就如同賴總統一再的定謀的不只是因應眼前的關稅談判長城的國際經貿市 |
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新秩序台灣無可取代的地位我們要搶得先機下一頁我回顧這145天以來當川普對全球開了這一槍其實no one is outsider180多個國家同受衝擊 |
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當時的在野黨一直說這是國難下一頁但事實證明這是全球都在承受衝擊而什麼是國難如果台灣的社會經貿的實力沒有底氣如果台灣的政府沒有充足的準備如果台灣的在野勢力並不忠誠恐怕才是真正的國難 |
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但是可操之在我的部分我們全力以赴不可操之在我的部分我們強化溝通下一頁這145天以來我當時4月11號也是第一位朝野立委站上質詢台的立委代表 |
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我感同身受我們談判團隊內外交迫先講在台灣的內部我們充斥著非常多在野勢力的唱衰我們承受著非常多不明就裡的謠言我們更面對著在野黨不斷的惡意的貼上黑箱的標籤我們來講唱衰好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
454.119 |
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478.934 |
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大家還記得四月份嗎當川普公布了這個關稅的這個衝擊的時候在野黨第一時間講的是什麼他們要罷免川普對美國報復要申請釋憲要停止一切對美國的投資更集中火力要求政府要強化開放對中國市場的投資 |
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如果當時聽從藍白立委的意見我看適用中國不管從145%的對等關稅或是現在55%的對等關稅如果聽從藍白擁抱中國市場的老路這才是國難這才是災難這是4月份下一頁 |
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501.556 |
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我們來看看七八月份當暫時性關稅開始揭露了在野黨的委員們這些政治領袖們又開始說32%是嚴重的挫敗暫時性的關稅是一場騙局甚至民眾黨一再的操作這是黑箱資訊不公開但是事實證明下一頁 |
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造謠謠言並不成立上週末的這個新聞報導居然能夠很鉅細靡遺的來說明現在談判的進程台灣將取消農產品汽車藥品的關稅全開放半導體ICT對美國投資2500億採購能源國防農產品高達3000億請問你們已經明確的澄清這是謠言嗎對不對副院長 |
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是 我們在當天我們行政院經貿辦公室以及相關部會都有對社會來說明有關媒體所述的相關數字跟項目其實跟我們談判情形有所出入而且最重要是未經向經貿辦以及部會來查證 |
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那我們也速度跟國人來說明現在談判還在持續進行當中一旦台灣和美方達成協議我們的協議一定會送國會審議也會向社會充分的說明所以這個謠言被打臉了下一個謠言呢美國要求台積電入股 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
594.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
622.234 |
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郝离家在魏哲嘉董事长亲自出面证实美国政府并没有也不会要求入股台积电不要担心台积电变美积电当然我知道我们谨守奋计我们不替台积电民间的企业来发言但是就以魏哲嘉董事长的发言再一次打脸了这些恶意操作的谣言所以讲完唱晖讲完谣言我们来讲讲黑箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
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事實上我同意執政團隊必須竭盡一切的所能把所有的資訊一講再講多講都沒有關係當時我們被在野黨貼上談判黑箱是說我們並沒有對外說明關稅計算是疊加的我認為我們對社會的說明可以再加強但是我要對於在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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二代風向提出我很大的挑戰為什麼呢除了4月4號行政院團隊的關稅因應記者會上已經清楚說明這是疊加之外卓院長特別慎重4月7號邀請了朝野各個黨團的黨編進行政院再次說明我們的所有因應作為對不對也是在那場會議上您提出我們希望爭取在野委員來 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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合作推動我們的任性條例以及特別預算其實在4月7號當我們就在行政院的那個會議室裡頭我們的副院長也好院長也好楊珍妮代表也好再一次說明關稅的計算方式疊加就再一次的說明如果連在野黨的委員親自在場親自聆聽對外他還是要說這是黑箱我萬萬不可接受 |
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738.178 |
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所以我們看看台經院的張院長說的關稅疊加這個產業界跟學術界早就知道但我們都同意對社會擴大說明也包括中經院的連銘賢院長也說了關稅疊加這是原則台灣當然適用原則而不是適用例外所以我在這裡要說下一頁我們不只沒有黑箱我們做到史上前所未有的透明公開甚至是全球警戒 |
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8月7號我們主動向國會揭露了關稅談判的保密協議院長這是全球警見吧世界各國副院長沒有任何一個國家國會要求國家出示這個保密協議但是我們我們主動揭露透明向國會說明是感謝大院用機密會議的方式所以說這是全球警見的透明公開連保密協議都公開了 |
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8月11號我們的專屬線上的網站上線了第一時間及時對於國會跟產業來揭露我們所有的政策因應以及今天8月25號即便談判中我們負責任向國會報告目前可以說明的部分而最終如果談判結束 |
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國會保留我們一切資訊都會向國會公開而且要通過國會的審查跟監督所以這是史上沒有的透明公開更是全球沒有人做到的台灣做到了我請在野黨不要再用黑箱這種惡質的標籤貼在我們辛苦的談判團隊的身上下一頁 |
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回到談判本身有很多不可操之在我的部分當然就是川普為了美國利益的優先美國的再工業化美國的解決他的貿易逆差當然也要解決他對中戰略的競爭下一頁而可操之在我的部分就是台灣的ICT產業全球稱霸的地位我們能夠爭取讓談判的戰線延長 |
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所以說談得好跟談得快我們選擇談得好只要能夠繼續談就是一個好事代表我們能夠持續爭取這也是我執政黨團支持我們談判團隊不要設定所謂快談快好這種目標我們的目標是談得好讓全國產業都受惠下一頁但是國會不要成為談判的不利因素啊 |
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剛剛院長所說的為了全球的投資安全為了全球的公平貿易為了全球打擊洗產地川普這一次是重中之重要不要再一次呼籲在野黨的委員應當撤回離島建設條例這種洗產地的條例因為這會造成我們談判的不利因素來院長 |
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針對這個條例剛剛委員所說的行政院完全支持委員剛剛所說的我認為我們現在要展現國內團結一致就是我們對於這樣息產地違規轉運的房子我們是有能力有責任做好的這個雖然不直接對談判有利但展現一個保護我國產業也讓世界覺得這個區域的經濟安全我們是有責任的 |
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所以博會切莫不只沒幫忙還幫到忙我再一次呼籲離島建設條例不要強硬的來推動我用這個來做結論當全球都在擴大對美投資台灣就應當勇敢迎向國際經貿的新秩序抗拒不如早去 |
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我支持你們用一個更長程的經貿共同的面向跟目標來看待這一次的關稅的談判旅行旅行被外界扭曲歪樓成為我們捧的大錢去揍美國我們要向社會呈現我們不是白白的捧錢去投資美國 |
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987.835 |
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好 謝謝吳委員 |
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997.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
998.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 謝謝吳委員我們時間到了謝謝吳委員 |