| IVOD_ID |
163573 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163573 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-20T10:15:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-20T10:27:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3feaef107a98f0c970e1364e2fd08a8a0ed9bbdce0c549623ec43f272543ec19f0a2f51fd5bd8c715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:24 - 10:27:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「協助中小企業災後復原辦理情況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請郭部長 |
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部長 災情非常慘重 下去南部10趟這不是重點 重點要解決問題那首先 本席要先請教部長就是在7月6號當那是颱風過境跟7月28號的豪大雨 |
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我們台電的電線桿將近有3500支被吹倒了所以台電人員非常的辛苦我們非常的不捨但是在7月15號在嘉義的役族發生了搶修的公安意外最後他是被電擊而離世了所以在這一點我們來討論一下這個質案的問題 |
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那最重要的時候他們一定是電線都在地上那他們要上去的時候一定是安全措施都要完備才會升上去做修復在修復過程中怎麼修復的話台電的員工一定會注意到個人本身的安全但是有一個非常重要的就是有沒有斷電 |
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他會觸電就已經壞那個整個電線桿倒塌都沒有電了為什麼會觸電所以你們整個職安公安的這個報告出來了沒有他是觸電 |
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所以你們修好的時候一定要通報通報你們之後你們才可以把它通電送電是不是這樣子那所以也發生了一件事情嘉義那邊的那個豬舍裡面也是他還沒修好那個電線在地上還在這個淹水地方的電線在地上你們送電了整個豬都被電死了所以你們公安是怎麼做的 |
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這個SOP是很重要的從2022年到現在就有15位我們台電員工因為這個問題而離世我們非常不捨這個一再的檢討你們報告出來檢討就要把這個公安做好來為什麼沒有做到請副總說 |
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是 剛剛委員其實有提到其實所有的公安 其實所有的事故都就會檢討那很多確實都是沒有按照標準程序我一直在強調不管是部長下南部幾趟或者你們一再的檢討檢討要有結果啊你們所有的公安職安的SOP的過程怎麼做的 都要通報啊都要有安全的措施設置才會升上去的啊 |
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所以為什麼會被電擊你在修理的時候就是沒有電嘛修好通報你才可以送電嘛跟委員報告因為修復的電廠其實台電有可能是沒電但是附近有可能有一些自備的發電機他有可能會逆送電所以我們在SOP裡面才要求所有的員工在做這個現場的修復的時候必須要先減電我不是要責難你們我是不捨離世的員工好不好所以 |
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這次的檢討一定要把這SOP在我們教育訓練裡面一定要完備所有怎麼樣通報 斷電 送電這是最關鍵的問題 好嗎好 接下來我想請教 |
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不涨的还是台风的问题也是因为丹纳斯的状况在我们的太阳能板这是台风的强风跟豪雨的关系屋顶 农地 余温这整个太阳能板在全台被吹垮的大概有14.5万片的太阳能板受损总重量有2800公吨 |
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在發生在嘉義跟台南卓院長特別講說在8月19號環境部在8月19號整理出來那部長院長都有講到說在8月16號有講說要好好的來檢討評估一下這整個太陽能板的這個整個規範那我們有在檢討嗎檢討什麼時候會出來是報告委員我們都有在檢討檢討什麼時候出來 |
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所有的應該是 |
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我是不是請那個能源署跟你報那我主要要提的就是說自社會被吹垮這麼多就是因為我們這個整個耐震 耐風的這個耐風的這個能力這個結構都是用計時來做決定各區域去做決定的沒有統一的標準那是不是未來要統一的標準還是說有統一的規範不要說全部推給這個計時工會啊 |
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是不是是 報告委員我想這一部分我們跟環境部這個彭部長都有在進行討論我們要進行一次全國的總體檢就像您剛剛所指定的我們在總體檢中我們就要跟人家講一下加固怎麼樣固定這個有時候搖晃的或者是太細的或太要加粗的這個固定的部分有在做總體檢嗎我們現在會 |
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開始 因為這個要跨部門要快 颱風發生的時間就在夏天當然要快快點總體檢好不好謝謝委員這些都要做好評估要安全那接下來想問的就是說因為說我們在上個禮拜三有三讀通過說當然是颱風跟728豪雨災後的復原重建的特別條例那有講到強韌電網的問題 |
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那我請問強振電網就是地下化嗎地下化的話現在也要評估全台地下化的狀況有在評估嗎這報告會出來嗎這個我是不是請台電跟你回答是副總在111年的時候我記得我們在做召委的時候特別有編了強振電網5645億給你們10年的計畫現在做到現在有4年的成效如何我們其實有針對主要比較迫切的地區已經都大概都做好了 |
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那現在全國的電地下化的情形呢委員所指的5600多位當時是主要是針對比較大的電壓輸電等級的部分那最近其實包括院長提到的昨天院長提到的其實是針對這次災情比較屬於配電的電壓的部分所以他就必須我們台電現在目前在做一個全面的評估 |
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那因為要地下化它必須要有一些條件啦因為淹水的地區你們怕潮濕啦還有電路的問題啦還有管線的問題這都有好 那我就直接請教一下比如說我的選區龍潭這是特別的龍心路到楊桐路這邊它就高壓電塔這整條路為什麼我們要趕快把這個電路 |
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電路來穩定 強韌電網就是因為我們龍刻山崎在這邊還有我們的桃竹苗大溪谷在這邊所以用電量會非常非常大所以我們大概將近這個5公里的這個道路上我們將近有8至10支的高壓電塔但是我們整個路線上我們希望做電纜地下因為那個地方算是空曠空曠的話 |
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風的阻力 耐風力 又是個問題所以可以做電纜地下 為什麼不做電纜地下你們說只做 只做有些地方做電纜地下有些時候還高壓電塔 為什麼這問題我問了工程師 他說是管線滿線這附近是很空曠的地方 管線滿線管線滿線 還是可以協調 相關單位從不叫來 |
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在我們最近這幾年來我們處理的過程都可以看到對不對管線有150公分啊你有台電有自來水要在最上面台電的話還有你們要占管線所以你們還有很多空管所以我就可以直接處理不要說一下一推就是電纜地下不可以一定要電一定要做高壓電塔好不好 |
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是 我剛才講到重點了其實我地下化其實設備還是要出來啦所以還是要地方的配合我們地方都在配合是你們台電一推推得遠遠的就沒辦法管線滿線沒有滿線的問題啦台電不會推啦這個線路我們會再去檢討看看所以把相關單位找來我們管線的話都有150公分這麼寬怎麼安排中華電信天然氣或者自來水管 |
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通通都可以大家配置 可以讓道啊 |
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可以讓到啊可以調整路管線這個都一定要注意到就是說常常會被挖台電的管線會被挖壞掉為什麼被挖壞掉他道路施工都會挖到你的台電都是台電被挖到所以這個你都要把監討進去好不好道路施工其實要先套會所以很多工程的話大家一起解決不要把德政推掉好不好接下來我想問一下就是部長 |
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因為對等關稅從32%降到20%在20%當中的話最重要的就是日本跟韓國他們是15%而且沒有疊加我們是疊加的所以我們的競爭力相對的我們的產業受到衝擊非常非常大所以我們也特別調力要來協助補助我們的產業那現在有一個產業叫工具機的產業 |
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部長你了解嗎 工具機的競爭對象就是韓國跟日本我們原來的話我們都是出口大部分都是出口大陸後來的話美國變成我們第二個出口的地方但是現在因為關稅的競爭我們又被美國來放棄未來我們工具機這個產業的話 何去何從 |
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要往哪裡去為他們避開這些風險我們要如何幫他們佈局全球呢首先跟委員報告如果是地區就是做出口的部分除了美國以外那未來市場比較大的包括印度包括歐洲包括東南亞 |
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这些都是美国以外会成长的地区我们会协助这些厂商加强在对这几个地区的拓展这是第一个在出口国家的部分的转换第二个我们会强化工具机对市场选择的时候对客户的选择我们会协助他做所谓telemed |
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不要去做一般的这个一般的是consumer的这个产品要做这个所谓特制化的产品也就是要量身特制因为日本跟韩国大部分他们的厂商都是透过大贸易商商社去洽接这些生意商社跟大贸易公司他们有一高的成本所以他们不会去 |
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接这个所谓的特制化客制化的这个商品这个是另外一个所谓做商品选择客户的原则我们会帮助他先做这两个第三个我们会在制造成本上面协助他来降低他的成本我知道你都给这个产业给他们贷款是 |
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贷款还是回归到成本的问题现在我们桃园经过我们经发局的统计我们的制造业对美国出口的大概有75亿的美元厂商就有6800家从业人员将近28万现在发生什么他们要坐视修山在我的选区里面隆泽科技公司他就已经决定了坐视修山修三天了这怎么办 |
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眼前的問題要先解決啊你現在講的都是未來的整個程序佈局全球避開風險但是眼前的問題請部長你們來關心好不好龍澤科技現在我剛剛跟你們講的這數據6800家28萬的從業人員何去何從我去拜訪他們一下他們的就業他們的工作他們的薪資這才是最重要的我去拜訪他們一下了解他們的困難在哪裡眼前最重要的做事修善 |
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是 這個我會來處理好 謝謝部長是 謝謝委員好 |