| IVOD_ID |
163561 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163561 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T17:04:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T17:20:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f11ac834821076f15d618ad07c9952a2a5359ecb5ed36d749953c4597e45d0cb6bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:04:52 - 17:20:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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謝謝主席韓院長以及各位先進有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢院長你好辛苦了我是最後一位希望你可以心情放輕鬆一點不過一開始我要跟你講韓院長的話你要多聽 |
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謝謝賴委員韓院長之間有很多故事只有我們兩個人知道 |
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這樣子喔 你們秘密不能講得對喔Just between you and him來 我們來看喔 追加預算 還要講咖哩一波你們的處計長來找我 我會跟他這樣講結果後來你就不要 因為大半門來啊開始燒了 開始抹黑喔來 但是那個都翻篇了啦 翻篇了啦 |
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我們看到,追加預算不要等於趁火打劫啦!左院長啊,你跨界金事務部怎麼會做這種事呢?我們總共散減2075億扣掉台電的1070億,那個不算那個要另外轉換來處理,1000億不算我們就總的來講的話,就算多少?1075億 |
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這一次追加預算 如果通通給你 百分之百都給你 878給你我們只剩下197億喔197億是什麼概念 你編的預算3.1兆所以三減的幅度是0.63%過去五年來 過去十年來 最少1%起跳還是跟老柯 大家是在那裡談 bargain |
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大家談說太寬一個大概數字就是1%左右山簡的弧度他1%左右結果你這樣來講你可不可以拍誰我們山里這樣子你把你拿回來更多來我們來看哪幾個部門臉皮厚的第一個行政院 |
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你們多拿回來就追加的比3減的還多31億外交部多了7億1000萬海洋委員會多了4.2億海洋委員會或許有他說我要增加什麼海防我覺得可以另外考慮說不定但是你增加31億議員長啊 |
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趁火打劫啊 院長報告委員 下週有正式的議程 我們會一一詳列那今天我們只針對這個部分來做回答沒有 我先跟你講啊 你現在來講0.63來我們再看第二頁齁這裡面打灌水的 |
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現在喔 我是用最寬鬆的角度跟你講的其實我們不同 不少委員還反對636給你喔那我是站在 我還是引用韓院長問政啊 用愛心問政愛心來問政啊你現在這個事情啊 你砍636是非常不對的 |
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因為前面多少委員跟你講這是法律之初法定之初三讀通過你要砍他哪裡有道理但是因為我看韓院長說愛心這個我勉強我個人我不代表 |
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一句話 7878或者733 我們願意跟大院合理的來討論來來來 我先跟你講喔 進法補償將近24億 這個應該給你再來人事費 因為加薪了 這段時間要加薪 軍人加薪了 62億給你公投11億要給 |
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老實講你們已經用第二億北京了罷罷免的四億為什麼罷免 那是公民團體發起的第二億北京這個公投是立法院發起的我們應該是以公民為大吧那十億也不要沒關係 如果你不要十億也沒關係所以你灌水的145億我現在就正式跟你說我聽到的消息是什麼 |
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行政院 拜託各部會 他沒有需要你拜託給你點 給你點 給你點你要求他們 大家來搶這個預算趁機卡有啊哪一個部會跟委員這麼講如果委員敢講出來 我馬上處分我當然有 我當然不要講 我怎麼可以講就是為什麼灌水 你灌水145億你灌水145億 |
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除了這幾個我已經用最寬鬆的 因為剛才那個委員問中完了就告訴我說630億 6億不能給因為630億不能給因為你砍的地方的錢沒有道理我說我們寧願寬鬆一點大家爭取這個我個人 我代表個人 不代表黨黨 |
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我覺得這可以給那請委員支持 讓你去影響其他的委員但是你的145億不能給總統我們增加幾千萬幹什麼我就說是878億或是733億我們都可以合理的來討論我們願意就是再創造一個我是說我們願意創造一個合理討論的空間跟時機不要討價還價 來來來我們就看下一頁 |
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你這裡面更扯的是什麼媒體廣宣還要增加4.3億 |
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幹扯啊 沒有最扯就更扯啊你增加4.3億啊 這幹什麼呢過去我們都沒有啦不是過去我們沒有做什麼事這半年以來我們完全沒有行政院沒有媒體政策宣導的會員我們完全沒有啦行政院的部分我們的發言系統完全沒有相關的經費除了人事費之外都沒有經費 |
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那不是發言系統出來罵人那是我們回應媒體的詢問 |
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你回應來講對在野黨就是罵人啊 這樣啊所以 被罵是應該的因為你權力 當然啦你權力大啊 當然要虛心接受你權力怎麼大 當然要接受監督啊接受批評啊你權力這麼大 當然要接受監督啊我告訴你喔 不不不 等一下等一下 |
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我現在告訴你我們最佳預算我們算已經盡力了財委會我下禮拜會排最佳預算我會排進來可是真的到最後通過要到什麼時候10月底11月左右才能夠最後三度這個預算要這麼長的時間因為 |
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我相信韓院長有安排議程的時間跟他的安排的方向韓院長也要經過我們這裡啦 一樣啦我們委員會還是要走一下啦這個救災的我們會安排很快的 讓他到下禮拜去三讀但是追加錢 追加預算沒辦法這麼快我希望就災後 旦那是颱風的以及任性的產業支持這兩部分這兩個一定要趕快救災的 只有救災的我講捏底捏底 |
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產業支持也很重要委員你對產業界那麼了解是是是關於後關稅時代的產業支持非常重要你要跟立法院要錢要趕快送來這個你要講任性你現在把它插出去講任性我就跟你講任性我們通過了4500億你為什麼不執行呢你執行趕快預算送來就給你過了你要趕快修正修正來我們看下一頁 |
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就是你要跟修正到5900億修正到5900億不知道為什麼要修正差了多少 差了450億為什麼要搞這個東西然後把他們拖 我研究很久因為我們對弱勢要加強而且如果真的是發1萬塊 2350億是不夠所以要加10億 |
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另外有對台電那麼辛苦的修復很多的電網韌性已經超乎原來的計畫之外的損這麼多所以希望加強這部分200億另外編列第二期200億你需要的時候我們再送來你不要扯那麼遠啦我來跟你講一個比較 我想要談的軍公教的挑釁你們態度怎麼樣 |
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軍公教調薪他都有固定的時間像最近我知道最近有在開一些相關的會議我們要考慮到說現在這個時機軍公教調薪對產業界會發生什麼影響我們希望民間也調薪嘛對不對軍公教調薪最重要希望民間也調薪民間調薪的結果對現在的中小微企業會不會造成在 |
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632.5 |
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後關稅時代更多的壓力我們正在探尋這方面的反應我們還在徵詢當中我們在徵詢當中 我們已經連續兩年都調薪了我跟你講喔 因為你已經回答前面的委員明年度的總預算是根據新的財務法通過了大概就中央撥3700多億給地方政府所以調薪你只要補責166億 |
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地方政府自己負擔116億這個很清楚這個漲將算的總共200多億這個漲將一算來講這個卓院長人家都說你大師兄你善於溝通但是我很客觀的老實講我非常客觀的觀察你這一年多來你這個吵架內閣啊 |
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你不是溝通內閣啊 吵架然後呢 釋憲然後呢 呼籲我們立法院代表百分之百的民意通過了法案 三路通過法案啪 一個巴掌打過來不夠 釋憲啪 又一個巴掌打過去兩院怎麼會好呢 |
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所以難怪人家說要把你換掉一句話而已 通過之前我們如何請立法院重新考量立法院也從來沒有一次在通過這樣的法律之前重新考量過就直接表決我們復譽是被動的而且是依照憲法賦予行政院責任跟權利沒有啦 你們到最後復譽就是為了要累積大罷免的籌碼啦不要忘了我就給你執行倒帶老柯 柯建民 |
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我多年來好朋友來來 聽我講不要急大院通過職權刑事法的時候我們根本還沒有到立法院到行政院來你不要急 你不要急喔老柯在去年1月13號選完1月15號他就說了要推動大罷免要改變他差六席要把他贏過來 差六席所有的行政院配合他配合他 所以這個東西老實講 你一實現兩岸的關係就不好 兩院的關係就不好越來越糟 越來越糟 這叫噁心螺旋 |
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大家如果彼此諒解對方那就不一樣了這個來講很多事情是可以溝通的你們也不溝通我隨便講總預算的時候我們都知道每次從歷年來協商 院長組織的協商我在這裡二十幾年每一次就跟老柯大家獨宅 |
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說來說去 都要協商但是你看 行業長這麼辛苦我都替他捨不得被老柯這樣糟蹋老柯盤古開天開始講起不要跟你協商啊 那就拖時間為什麼 他要累積這個錯分子 |
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累積全民累積然後你們開始洗腦透過你們所支持的側翼還有這個剛才有幾個委員提到的給這個給那個來開始修理在內黨累積這個啊今天如果你回來回過來回來你原來大師兄的本分所以不要講話你給我講話一句話就好委員不要一句話來回到你我希望你回到原來大師兄回來善於溝通 |
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像你協調的著龍胎而不是受老柯的影響為了要推動大罷免讓你們要一黨獨大 獨採這樣子的話 今天的局面不一樣韓院長早就跟你講了 要追加預算你到今天才提出來委員那你是不是支持我以後我說我們要調整財政支出結構在財化法之後我要調整財政支出結構委員同意嗎 |
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這個你看怎麼調整啊第二個我要調整兩院互動模式我真要提的一個案子我本來要審下禮拜 我當召委我要審結果禮拜一要給運匯了沒辦法審就是地方補助款不可以刪所以我第二個我希望調整兩院互動模式委員同意嗎你覺得現在不好是吧 |
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兩院互動模式因為你剛剛講了那麼多所以我們不溝通我們吵架所以我們以後來調整兩院互動模式那怎麼調整好不好當然好啊好啊那我們就照這個方向像這兩週韓院長所主持的草野協商進度都非常好方向都是我們共同希望的就照這個兩院互動模式來走下去 |
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少一點的全模就可以調整為了國家我沒有用任何全模大家打開天窗說亮話啦823之後會更明顯那個 卓院長啊823對我來講我只負責把公投辦好其他都不是我們 |
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投票秩序辦好任何的投票秩序辦好我希望823之後還能看到你來立法院我還希望你能看到你來立法院但是呢 我更希望有一個超然的人來接你的位置823有公投 有罷免我的責任是把秩序辦好結論都不在行政院的考量當中你換一個 兩個 三個 五個 那個不夠 |
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你最該被換掉你卓院長應該換掉應該STEP DOWN讓新的人來接我覺得氣溫可以更好謝謝 |