| IVOD_ID |
163557 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163557 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T16:01:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T16:16:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f112a7eb8d48735a86618ad07c9952a2a5359ecb5ed36d7499549826321c0b4a3205ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
盧縣一 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:01:11 - 16:16:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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院長尤其左院長麻煩請左院長備詢 |
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這幾天又有颱風上個禮拜我有參加當時颱風特別條例的協調會我有私立校友詢問主委說主委我們大概可以分到多少錢他大概有跟我說很像是四十幾億的樣子 |
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我想就今天的問題來說基本是維持費它當初是沒有刪減可是在今年的2月7號的時候原民會有發一個文就是說凍結50%所以讓各地方的我們原住民區的鄉公所 區公所都感覺非常的辛苦這方面可以解釋一下嗎 |
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來 請主委跟委員報告我們是沒有動就是沒有刪減就是凍結50%那麼我們在2月27號也已經播了第一期了那麼在6月24號我們也是核定了第二期那目前跟委員報告就是說第一期的部分55個鄉那麼剩下10個鄉還沒有提報那第二期的部分也只有8個鄉來提報 |
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雖然是這樣我知道因為碰到很多的這個災害那公所也真的是很忙但是我們主動的就是說來協助他們趕快來提報6.4億大概什麼時候可以到位 6.4億 |
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都合訂了他們要一程序他們要先報縣市政府然後報到我們這邊來然後我們再把錢我先謝謝就是我剛看到就是我們已經有我們原住民進發補償有新增了23.6億還有我們提升國軍待遇這個部分首先我們肯定行政院的作為那我們這邊我們會努力的來配合 |
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在這之前我先說一下最近我去看的一些地方的一些看見讓主委知道然後我昨天去了騰芝騰芝它一個大概0到19K的一個範圍的損害那其實我就問說這個是誰在圍管他說是林保署 |
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那我就說你一年大概花多少錢大概8億左右他說8億還是不夠那我就想到我們訪聊的那個春日的大漢領導這領導16K我們不知道開了多少次的協調會那互相踢來踢去像縣政府說不是他的林保史說不是他的國防部說不是他的可是這些機關都是使用人 |
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所以我非常當然現在騰訊那邊是非常的辛苦可是按照這個林保署他在那邊每年花的八億我對春日那邊的完全沒有單位要去接管這個事情讓他覺得替他們報不平所以希望主委還有院長能夠去了解這個事情當然林道上面有個國軍的單位然後他 |
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它所下也有零班地不過它的大概有十幾K的路段是屬於原保地這個這條道路0到16K沒有經費可以挹注去來修理或者是說維管這個道路可是我昨天去了騰芝0到19K是有零保署全額支付一年的費用大概是8億以上 |
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我們在這之前我們再看一下我最近在看一些原住民族的年度預算我們再做一下比較 等一下我們再提道路的問題大家看範圍文獻看到澳洲對原住民的年度預算兩年是1034億台幣他們按照人口比例的話他們的人口比例大概是3.8我們原住民是台灣原住民是2.6 |
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他們的整個國家對原住民的預算的分配是0.77換算我們現在原民會的經費是123.81的話在我們三兆裡面的0.11就是千分之四所以我是覺得政府還是做得不夠雖然我知道大家都很努力也都很辛苦在找經費可是這個部分我們就是做得不夠而且還不包括 |
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澳洲為了彌平他們所謂的歷史上的傷痕我們就像我們之前的轉型正義的時候我們只有類似像蔡英文總統那個轉型正義委員會可是沒有實際的一個所謂的經濟的一個彌平 |
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他曾經花了23.3億billion也就是4600億台幣來彌平這個所謂的歷史傷痕所以這是我要跟院長跟主委在報告就是說他們目前他們要努力的方向就是說要縮短跟主流社會的差距 |
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在2021跟2022這兩年也花了1132億台幣其實他們大部分的重點都是放在他們的居家生活的安全教育跟醫療還有一些經濟發展我來看一下我們目前的各業務項目來做比較 |
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我們園民會的業務項目非常多然後單位他們細項也非常繁雜大概看了做了一些比較澳洲原住民的話大概就做這六項居住環境安全社區健康經濟參與小朋友的還有其他的那我看一下大概我們他是我們的五倍左右四倍左右那我們平均可以分到的時候 |
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兩萬多塊那可是在澳洲原住民的話一個人是可以分到如果預算來平均的話是87萬塊所以這個是顯然是非常大的差距然後就當地的原住民跟非原住民的比較原住民的收到的政府的支出是一般人的兩倍 |
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所以如果說就我們的一個經濟水準如果用一般人的兩倍來來照顧原住民的話應該才是這個真正澳洲在呈現這個所有的照顧的一個所謂的一個邏輯跟他所呈現的一個正義所以我又看了一些一下原民會的那個 |
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今年預算成長的狀況從105年是76億那現在呢到現在是123.8億我們也肯定政府也謝謝政府努力就是說至少有逐年增加大概現在是大概增加到47.18甚至到將近快一倍的一個程度從105年來開始算的話可是呢我們雖然看起來是這樣很好可是看加拿大 |
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加拿大在2015年的時候是11個billion現在是32個billion是三倍所以我的意思是說對我們台灣很覺得很像我們是一個很像以小小多數的國家自居然後感覺是原住民是我們文化的瑰寶又是我們對世界文化有很大的貢獻可是人家的付出就是這麼多我們要檢討就是說我們的預算是不是應該要多一點給我們原住民跟委員報告 |
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看政府怎麼照顧原住民不是只有看延民會的預算因為不管是教育的農業的這個還有其他其他的社會福利的勞工的都分散在各個部會不是只有我們延民會這一百二十幾億所以我想這點一定要跟委員做說明沒有錯那其實這個加拿大這個分數這張是很重要的雖然說他這個花費增加了三倍可是他的所謂的 |
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他的這個成績其實是沒有增加很多所以就要知道說他這個預算有沒有用對地方其實他從10年前是58.4分現在花了這麼多錢還才62.4分所以他們的主要這個評定的項目是教育程度啊就業狀況收入跟家庭狀況可是他們像把有一些費用是完全是用在小朋友比如說 |
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印度安人可能生了比較多的孩子可能費用是比較多花在那邊也就是說其實我們應該要去檢討這幾年以後我們是不是應該把我們的經費的運用的項目不是永遠都是這樣而是應該有些項目要做調整不要像看到他們加拿大雖然花了這麼多錢可是幸福感還是沒有那麼大 |
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所以我是希望主委跟院長能夠把這件事情放在心裡面最近我到原鄉做會刊去了阿里山到了納瑪西亞到了茂林可是我要跟主委抱怨的地方就是說你們幾乎都不派員與會那我是說水保署的人也會來然後我們林保署的人 |
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也會到然後縣市政府的承辦人也會到可是園民會就是一個人都沒有來那你們要怎麼知道地方的需求呢我跟委員報告你講的這個南麻夏還有桃園還有茂林這個我們都有去而且我親自去我非常清楚像南麻夏的部分在這個主要 |
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主要道路這個聯絡道當然這個是由這個農委會還有我們這個水利署來做那我們要做的地方是在做部落的一些道路還有它的邊坡的一些這個部分還有一個很重要的就是他們目前 |
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產業推不出去因為他們芒果也沒有辦法出來那現在就是說我們來解決就是說他們現在正在採竹筍那麼需要一點錢就是希望只要有路能夠上去把他們的產品弄下來這個我們也在協助 |
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甚至我們希望就是買他們的這個特別的產品像茂林的油芒我們希望買他們的產品直接給我們災區的文化健康站來使用也讓我們部落的這些族人能夠活得下去我們也希望幫他們更多的忙這個在其他部會就沒有辦法做我們這個部分我們來做因為難得我還是要跟院長報告就是說 |
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本來期盼說當當是條例可能有一些遷村的經費可是在這邊可能這個我看了這次的那個費用的規劃裡面並沒有這個遷村的費用所以我希望這個居住環境居住安全這邊可以把它正式編為我們園民會的每年的預算因為現在遷村的需求大概或者說居家安全的這個需求大概有幾個部落我跟主委說有馬市大社這幾戶還有我們滿洲的分水嶺山下分水嶺 |
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紅葉的第二林還有藤枝他希望原本的消失的藤枝能夠富裕在那個現在我們桃園區的這個叫38甲的一個地名也就是他們現在櫻花公園的旁邊所以有這麼多地區我已經盤點完我是希望原民會能夠去認真的看待從莫拉克到現在這些居住需求的這些族人不然他們連最基本的房子都沒有我們還要去怎麼講其他的呢 |
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跟委員報告像滿桌的簽署計畫因為這個特別條例重建特別條例它有一個時間性我們是要趕快做一些部落的有一些聯絡道路的橋樑也好邊坡的崩塌也好甚至以更多的部落裡面的一些巷道的一些排水我們要先做這個馬上做馬上挖坡讓部落趕快來復原趕快來重建 |
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那自己簽住計畫他不是一下子就能做的他還要找到土地我們還要下去協調這個部分就是說還要提辦這個新辦事業計畫等等需要其他的部會一起來協調當然在困難我們也會來協調也謝謝委員的協助啦我是希望說能夠逐年編列預算讓他的預算到達一個程度的時候就可以解決他們的問題不然一直都擺在那裡 |
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還有這次他們也有提到說他們看到當時颱風有對各個屋島的房屋有些補助可是原住民的地區很多都是鐵皮屋被吹掉然後你也知道很多原住民的房子是沒有實用執照的也就是說他們並沒有可以有申請到這個補助的一個所謂的條件裡面所以這個部分能不能放寬讓我們族人他明明就是有確實有房屋倒塌可是卻沒有經費可以補償他的損失 |
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跟委員報告我們是有就是說房子倒塌或者是房子就是說被流失掉的我們有這樣的一個補助但是相關的這個標準我們現在在彙整那到時候我想我也會來跟委員做報告我想我們都很清楚部落的狀況回到騰芝的我剛才說的18K的地方我去看了以後真的是慘不忍睹那個柔和橋大概在兩年前 |
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落成的花了幾千萬結果現在是完全沒有了等於是四千萬又不見了所以他們當昨天在跟我說的時候就希望說當地的施工單位可以去詢問一下當地住在那裡的族人他的工法所以他們不是建築師他們並不是什麼專業的什麼可是他們對知道那邊的地形地貌哪裡土質鬆軟哪裡應該是往哪裡走 |
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如果說他們有一些部落會議或者怎麼樣他們應該要參與然後參與工程的時候比如說路線往山上然後再下去他們說一而再再而三從現在這個地方結果就造成水又一樣橋又不見了的狀況發生 |
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就像我們那個霧台谷川那個橋就做得很好如果橋是這樣做的話我想一次就解決了很多年的問題很多你剛剛講的很多一些橋的從一開始就不是那麼堅固所以就是說我們想再利用這次重建條例這樣的一個機會我們好好來檢視 |
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最後一個問題就是最近有人分享一個LINE給我看就是說他發現有一個行政不中立的問題那我就仔細看了一下這個所謂的邀請函結果邀請函我仔細看了一下那名稱是誰就是大家都應該要去關心的問題比如說原住民立委 原住民的議員 |
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無論是藍綠或執政在野都應該要關心的問題他名稱是這樣原住民保留地歸屬濟南回思鄉鎮永續發展公聽會我們看到了您的名字也看到立法委員的名字兩個他們都是我們執政黨的委員然後台東縣議會議員金鋒香鄉長你看就獨立我跟高經委或者是說我們其他全部的原住民的委員我會覺得說 |
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所以看也沒有看到主辦單位是誰啊就是說也不知道是相關所辦的還是園民會辦的是縣政府辦的我不會這樣子你也知道那我們也經常不管在活動的場合我們在地方上也經常碰面不可能說只邀請什麼的不是啦不會這樣子請委員放心啦 |