| IVOD_ID |
163549 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163549 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T11:51:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T12:07:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f1137d9572e3f702fc418ad07c9952a2a537cb2166e5cf3615cdea26643c0888b925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:28 - 12:07:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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登記發言的楊瓊英委員請質詢謝謝院會主席韓院長行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊來自日本的好朋友以及各位同仁兄弟的朋友楊瓊英發言院長首先邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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兩位好 院長好 院長我們今天針對於行政院對地方政府的一般性補助款來做討論那首先我要請教院長古人有說過一句話叫做政通人和你知道這個意思嗎這是政治上追求一個相當高的境界 |
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政治上追求相當高的境界也算是內容其中之一那我解讀的是正式通達百姓和人心都要非常的和順這是我解讀的正同仁和你認為你上任到現在你覺得你有做到正同仁和嗎我一直很努力 |
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您一直努力 請繼續努力因為我們看到的是是沒有達到正同人和所以基本上我們更認為是反其道而行為什麼呢我們來討論行政院在5月16號突發式的一個公文要刪全國地方政府的一般性補助款請問 請問院長你事先有跟立法院跟地方政府有做過溝通嗎 |
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主祭總署主祭長應該跟各地方的主祭人員都有談過這個事情主祭長有跟地方政府通過這個事情應該他們都知道要刪減濁山濁山就你一直一直令下來啊5月16號啊之前我們有說過我們有討論過各種的方式我告訴各縣市政府說我要刪你多少錢嗎 |
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我們有做過各種的方式跟推估有跟立法院跟地方政府有做過溝通嗎我們在合訂8月30的時候在合訂一般性補助款的時候就告知如果立法院這邊有刪減那就要搭配刪減哇 那這個更偉大了 |
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可以如此嗎不要說藍營的首長都不知情連綠營的首長立委他們也都是被動告知被動告知所以本席定調你沒有正通人和所以本席要再跟你討論的是 |
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為什麼會在事後來開槍呢為什麼還要地方政府去舉債呢為什麼還要說要看地方政府還說是一個輪迴呢輪迴之說這到底怎麼回事請教院長這個源頭就是行政院的預算被大院刪減那麼多之後我們的源頭沒有了我們源頭沒有了這個水如何下去凡事要正通人和 |
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大家要求的是地方跟中央我們要有一些可以辦事的預算如果中央被刪除了我們怎麼去酌補地方請你仔細看立法院今天刪除通過送請總統府總統府公告之在這個公告之當中他是怎麼說的我們繼續來討論 |
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也就是說你說你刪了這個地方這個一般就補助款 您知道嗎以台中市為主 刪了32億這些錢是什麼低收入戶 兒童 生長 |
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中低收入戶的一個補助育兒津貼就學補助倒撂橋樑以及公園等基礎設施這些都是救命錢的院長這都是院長如果你願意犧牲孩子身障者長輩的權益來達到政治的一個算計那這有道理嗎如果台中市政府真的這麼做那是台中市政府自己的選擇 |
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院長 請你注意聽你說是台中市政府的選擇台中市政府不會犧牲這些人 |
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就像在權益所以本身要告訴你你再怎麼砍你也不能違法但是告訴你行政院一般性補助款您的公文你就要去超越法制請你注意聽這是明顯的違法首先根據3月21號總統令華總一經制定1140026191號公布的 |
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這個內容非常明文的規定說明一般性補助款2501億1279億元照列院長照列是什麼意思照列應該不用不用再解釋了吧照列這是總總府公告之 |
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那麼預算經過了立法院審議之後總統府公布之即成為法定的預算 |
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同時它的形式跟法律是相當法定的預算具有法律規範的效力行政機關你必須要依照法定的預算去執行之你是不得違法的這是總統府公告之連這樣都敢看不是違法 什麼叫違法行政院編列預算也請立法院依法審議預算 |
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當立法院在審議預算違背了整個精神跟原則的時候行政院已經沒有預算可以去對地方政府做任何酌情的補助了所以我們做這個事情可以不得已的解決請你回答提問的時候你要審思啊 |
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你要省時啊總統府公告之都已經是照列兩個字你還這麼樣的一個違法亂看我再告訴你3月21號總統府公布的才化法的一個修正我們看到規定你政府對於地方政府的一般性補助款的金額你不得少於修正前一年度的預算編列數 |
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你这样砍就等于又违反了明年度的预算编制的原则你这样砍又违反了好你就说了这个明年度最好的你告诉人家说明年度财务法修改了之后你可以用财务法你现在取债你可以用财务法去还债资赵烈的预算里头我们砍的预算 |
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明列出11項中央各項目並沒有將中央政府中央這個地方政府的這個補助款一般性補助款是一毛錢也沒有刪而是總統府公佈之是照列兩個字那是因為在通案通案刪減中通案刪減要399億但照那幾項只能刪掉303億很清楚 |
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在哪裡 你很清楚在不動的在使用不好的刪減這個看緊荷包但是本席再次跟你強調一般性補助款是一毛也沒刪而且是總統府公告之公佈之是照列 非常清楚所以本席要再告訴你本席要再告訴你你砍了地方補助 |
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你事前沒有溝通你事後又開降地方政府跟人民要大家自己去舉債還有輪回縮這是一個公然違法的事情請問有這麼糟蹋人民的政府嗎有這樣嗆人民的政府嗎所以本席要告訴你政府本席已經告訴你了 |
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一般性補助款我第三次告訴你一般性補助款一毛錢也沒刪總統府公布之所以你當政府的權利他已經凌駕到法律的時候我相信 |
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當政府的權力已經凌駕到這樣子的一個權力的時候凌駕到法律面裡頭我相信人民都是雪亮的人民不會沉默的所以本校要告訴院長 |
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法定的預算的刪減它不是鬥爭的工具它必須要循著嚴格的法定程序我們依照預算法第71條的規定預算的執行是當國家有發生特殊重大災難的時候你要必須要刪減的時候你還要經過你的行政院院會通過送請總統府以令發布執行詞 |
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今天有什麼這樣的情勢呢所以院長你還違規到中央對直轄市以及縣市政府的政府的補助辦法一般性的補助辦法的一個停波的一個減少減劣以及扣減都有明文的法律規定 |
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怎麼可能你想要刪 你要調 就調呢怎麼可以如此呢是行政院的錢被你們刪掉了行政院不得不這麼做而已第四次強調 一般性補助款總統府公告之 一毛錢都不要刪我再一次回答 是要我們自行調整我再一次回答 是要我們自行調整所以 院長 |
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我们刚刚的讨论我相信人民看得到人民希望安定的生活我们不希望如此的一个违反所以你现在提了这个方案进来我们审慎的在审查支持我们地方预算要能够全额一般性的补助预算要能够全额来回补资会不会 |
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會不會全數如期的回復中央不會對地方的補助任何的苛扣 |
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你有一个善意的回应你也听到地方的痛苦所以本席要告诉你本席要告诉你你这一次删了台中市32亿的一般性补助款违法影响了65万人 |
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您知道嗎包括了我們的生活補助費我們的國中小學以及高中大專孩子的教育補貼所以本席要告訴你這一些錢都是法定總統府照列公告資所以本席還是要告訴你低收入戶 |
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這些的生活津貼 警消的設備以及基礎建設 這些都是命脈不容許如此當整政治惡鬥的工具來違法地砍除地方的補助款國防外交教育被大院刪除多少影響中央執政 您在乎一點點嗎本期再次第五次告訴你 一般性補助款 |
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我們的總統府公告之是照列立法院一毛錢都沒有刪立法院要請政院自行刪除 自行調整本席要跟你討論的 |
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因為政治的惡鬥我相信你也不願意政治的惡鬥如果是凌駕在我們孩子的餐桌老人家的藥袋消防員的設備這絕對是不容許的這絕對是不容許的你現在本席要跟你討論的是我們最近碰到了關稅議題在這一次你也下鄉來聽 |
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本席從一開始就一直建議率先提出行政院必須要提出我們的預算協助所有的產業 |
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我們現在所得到的關稅20%累加關稅平均全國累加的關稅2.4%台中市是我們所有的工具機 手工具機我們的機械 自行車所有零組件重中之重 |
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本席一頓 一直吶喊 880億你們出估提出來 本席說不夠再拜託你們 絕對不夠光光880億在我台中就不夠了更何況全國所以你們第二次提出再增加50億 930億本席仍舊不管在經濟委員會 在大院一再強調 絕對是不夠 |
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因為目前關稅我們最受害的是什麼人是傳統產業也就是在你點頭也就是在我們台中地區這些重中之重他不只是影響到我們的傳統產業現在目前院長你知道嗎他們不敢接待 |
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他們倉庫到期不敢續約他們不知道要怎麼佈建未來而且影響到相應對的是勞工他們的工作權現在已經有做四天休三天甚至有放無薪假 |
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所以本席也歡喜看到你們再提出增加這450億裡頭有200億是要給我們產業但是你告訴我們這200億是預留怎麼評估啊你告訴我需要的時候你就提出請問現在已經是急救時什麼情況叫做可以提出這200億協助我們的產業請說明 |
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這是行政院尊重立法院需要的時候向理事長提出你需要的評估依據是什麼我已經告訴你已經在急救了委員有意見的話可以把它改成5900億一次編組我沒有意見 |
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你是行政院長今天是你今天送到立法院來我告訴你產業需求請你將200億編進來我們全力支持產業可不可以我們是尊重立法院你尊重立法院我們要支持產業200億編進來全力支持好你可以把它恢復成5900億支持我們的產業好不好委員可以把它提議如果大院都同意我當然沒有意見你要不要送進來 |
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好 |