| IVOD_ID |
163547 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163547 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-19T10:04:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-19T10:21:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/906c3280ae286f11c5f074f29c700a8518ad07c9952a2a536736ce1c3e94b6c6b4272b109c97fcf25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:04:57 - 10:21:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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好接下來我們請黃國昌委員質詢質詢之後我們將會休息也跟院會報告一下今天是黃國昌委員生日我們掌聲祝他生日快樂謝謝院長來有請行政院院長卓榮泰麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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黃元豪 祝您天天快樂左院長 您是中華民國憲政史上手握最高年度總預算的行政院院長我必須要反映實際的人民的聲音給你拿了史上最高的預算 |
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到目前為止執政的成績慘不忍睹繳不出像樣的成績單過去這麼長的一段時間從行政院的團隊到民進黨立法院黨團全體台灣人民聽到的只有六個字大罷免大成功 |
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1月26號的結果讓賴清德總統的臉丟到國際社會上日本獨賣新聞說排除在野勢力顯現獨裁心態這不是我說的這是向來對台灣友好對民進黨也相當友好的獨賣新聞社論說的今天關鍵的主題在於 |
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你拿了史上最高的預算結果開始哭求說錢不夠沒有辦法做事 |
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結果自己該刪的預算不刪把腦筋動到地方政府去違法苛扣應該給地方政府的一般補助款636億我先請教一下卓榮泰院長2024年中央政府總預算統刪了多少錢 |
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趙委員的提案要求統三939億2024年中央政府總預算我講的不是2025年現在我們今天在討論的是2025年的預算我請教你的是2024年中央政府總預算統三了多少錢 |
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金額我再跟委員報告 但那一定要經過一定的程序最後要行政院自行調整 並非不可但一定要跟行政院做協商你什麼時候開始當行政院院長的去年5月20號對嗎2024年中央政府總預算有一半以上是你就任以後花的你手上的中央政府總預算去年被捅殺了多少錢 你不清楚 |
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我很驚訝數字我可以查給委員我很驚訝第二個問題去年去年中央政府總預算執行完了以後沒有執行的金額有多少錢我今天來報告的是114年的預算來我直接跟你講為什麼這個數字有關係孔三啊不是今年的總預算才開始啊 |
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每一年的總預算都有啊去年的總預算捧山了299億第二個 去年的總預算給了你們兩兆8518億結果沒有執行的金額672億我們可以把執行的意義的分析出來跟委員報告沒有關係啊 人民在意的是什麼錢夠不夠用嘛 |
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錢夠不夠用嘛 你被刪了 統刪299億有672億沒有執行 加起來多少錢委員不代表去年因任何事情 任何原因 院長請你針對問題回答可以嗎加起來多少錢 還是現在連加法都有問題了加起來是971億970億代表了什麼 |
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我即使在討論去年的預算啊不是今年最高史上的預算啊我以為你這種邏輯 刪掉了299億你還有672億沒有執行啊結果呢 我們可以把未執行可以把未執行的預報去委員 939億以後你手上還有兩兆九千多億開始在哭窮啊 |
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說我們的政府沒有錢可以執政沒有辦法施政說把腦筋違法動到地方政府的頭上童子權董事長前幾天講的很好啊不會持家就死透了啊 贊不贊成委員的邏輯跟你的推論都有問題 |
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去沒有執行的請你針對問題回答好不好總執行董事長說不會施加就洗頭囉 這樣不贊成這句話啊你自己啊你有什麼事情要去駁斥你自己回去開記者會今天是總執行今天是專案報告的執行就請你針對問題回答可以嗎我只說委員剛剛提出的邏輯上有問題 |
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該年度未執行的我們可以把未執行的原因告訴委員不代表該年度未執行的以後連執行的機會都沒有我們在看政府施政的時候行政部門提出預算國會審預算依照國會通過的金額去執政任何民主國家都是這樣的哪一個民主國家的行政部門針對國會已經通過的預算 |
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指手畫腳 還自己去違法挪我們要給地方政府的一般補助款哪一個國家的行政部門是這樣胡搞瞎搞的我為什麼提去年執行的狀況 |
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三個兩百九十九億你還有六百多億根本沒執行我們可以把六百多億告訴各位為什麼沒有執行公布在網站上面的報告 |
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給你兩兆多億 八千多億你根本執行不利嘛你根本執行不完嘛你沒有執行然後結果現在在哭窮說喊錢不夠 沒有關係啦我直接請教你在114年中央政府總預算我就問一個最簡單的問題有三地方補助款嗎 |
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有沒有 立法院要行政院自行調整來 我們來看嘛113年中央政府總預算有沒有三地方補助款113年 立法院要求行政院自行調整對不起啊 113年113年是去年去年立法院在三總預算的時候有沒有三地方補助款你去年520就開始當行政院院長了 |
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那要經過兩院協調你去年有多少錢 可以花多少錢錢從哪裡來你今天站在這邊似乎不是很清楚啊有跟立法院有跟行政院協調過嗎協商過事情調整的內容嗎對不起啊 我現在請教你的是113年我們在審預算的時候有沒有三地方補助款 |
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有還是沒有因為沒有要行政院刪減630例這麼高的數額我們從其他地方來自行調整我們行政院可以吸收我是針對問題啊113年請你看著螢幕好了你把113年114年全部都搞混了113年讓一屆的國會在審113年的預算有沒有刪除地方補助款因為沒有像114年刪減 |
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這樣的1630例這麼高的三減數我們可以自行調整113年在3的時候有3地方補助款排除一般補助款3的4%為什麼要提113年因為你才有一個best line可以比較114年嘛113年上一屆的國會喔有3億 |
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給地方政府的補助款喔 刪了4%喔但是排除了一般補助款請問114年中央政府總預算案有刪給地方政府的補助款嗎 有還是沒有沒有嘛立法院要行政院自行調整就沒有啊自行調整對啊 但是自行調整的項目是什麼請你看一下 提案單好不好 |
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你這樣子齁連白紙黑字的東西連白紙黑字的東西你都可以在這邊硬凹都可以在這邊裝著看不見請你看著你螢幕上面的文字中央各機關級所屬你有沒有看到中央各機關級所屬委員所寫的白紙黑字刪不到939億 |
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後面不是有統三嗎所以我們自行調整所以去年有沒有統三 去年也有統三本院向來在審查預算的慣例就是這個樣子從來沒有這樣審查過你從去年開始當行政院院長從來沒有這樣審查過連立法院在審預算基本的規則都不懂 |
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來我們113年我們為什麼上一屆的國會在刪地方補助款的時候他不刪一般性的補助一般性的補助是不是法律義務支出是還是不是他是一般性的補助跟 |
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這個計劃型補助兩項所以地方的補助一般型補助裡面的內容一般性補助款是不是法律義務支出一般性補助的內容是對法律上應有的支出比方對社福對教育對基本設施所以一般性的補助款是不是法定義務支出 |
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但是行政院基於補助的原則 我們是自行調整自行調整是應立法院之要求奇怪 我再問A 你不敢回答A 再答B我直接告訴你答案啦你的秘書長在面對我質詢的時候說就他了解一般性補助款不是法律義務支出我一個字都沒扭曲喔 |
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我一個字都沒扭曲喔從立法院公報截下來的我們再往下看奇怪了行政院去年的時候發函一般性的補助款是法律義務支出不得刪除奇怪了怎麼你們去年行政院的發函跟今年狗明星講的話完全不一樣 |
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這個法律義務支出不就是你們行政院的函列出來的嗎來看一下紅框框起來的字我黃國昌問政向來有所本的啦框起來的字來看一下114年度中央政府總預算案編列依法律義務支出明細表清楚的框了出來對地方政府的一般性補助款 |
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你們行政院老早就知道這是法律義務支出結果即使是法律義務支出明明知道國會沒有刪減你還是自己決定國會要求中央政府機關及其所屬通案刪減的項目 |
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我用三句話 第一個當天我們當天還有一句話說如果立法院審議結果有所刪減如果依照立法院審議結果有所刪減所以我剛剛才請教你嘛今年中央政府總預算有刪給地方政府的補助款嗎 答案就是沒有嘛跟去年比 公案刪減的項目一模一樣第二個 我現在在問你 |
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給地方的一般性補助款是不是法律義務支出你繞來繞去耶這麼簡單這麼直率這麼明確的問題不敢回答為什麼不敢回答因為你知道這是法律義務支出嘛對其中的教育社福跟基本設施我們可以保留我們再繼續往下看 爭域裁員的部分我們考量可以調整 三不勝下的法律行政院要不要遵守 |
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三讀生效的法律行政院要不要遵守這是針對明年 116年這是針對116年 來您的螢幕前面有白紙黑字我們要給國人一個好的示範我們在談法律的時候就談法律一個字一個字的談法律不是你在答詢台上面捏造出來的法律條文來看著條文念 |
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中央政府給予地方政府的一般性補助款不得少於修正施行前一年預算編列數寫得很清楚嘛寫得非常清楚嘛所以嘛就法律條文就清楚的看法律條文結果你們的發言人說 |
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這個是新版的財化法只對青年3月23號以後要編的明年度總預算發生效力看著把立條文來看一下中央政府給予地方政府的一般性補助款他的動詞是什麼是給予 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
855.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
883.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
他的動詞是給予我簡單問一個問題財政收支劃分法什麼時候生效這個已經在今年送到立法院財政收支劃分法什麼時候生效什麼時候生效12月多少3月的時候生效後來我們有經過事件比較晚沒有啦你們後來所有的程序都搞完了以後這些複製全部都搞完總統才會公告嘛那你怎麼連複製的程序都搞不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
884.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
905.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
在復議以前 總統總會公告 就是公告才會生效嘛他是公告生效 對嘛 所以3月生效對不對明年的中央政府總會生效3月生效對不對好 我們進一步來看 請問你們什麼時候重新核定給地方政府的補助款什麼時候重新核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
906.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
925.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
重新核定對啊 你給地方政府的一般性補助款去年8月的時候核定嘛今年你苛扣了636億嘛你重新核定的金額嘛你重新核定的金額是什麼時候我們不是苛扣 我們是自行調整沒有關係啊 隨便你要用什麼形容詞什麼時候做這件事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
926.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
945.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我們那個韓在今年五六月五月份的時候吧我記得 說得很好那不是苛扣 那是沒有關係啊我隨便你用什麼形容詞啊五月十六號核定的三月法律生效你五月還敢幹這件事喔那是對明年的法律我就說你要看法律聊我嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
970.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
970.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好 謝謝好 謝謝 |