| IVOD_ID |
163532 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163532 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-15T15:19:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-15T15:35:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/feafe23bd7168de68d95b7e5bda7242018cf3659852ed25088e117da0b2e7151581072cc072802035ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:19:30 - 15:35:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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謝謝主席 韓院長 我們有請我們的卓院長以及內政部的部長麻煩請卓院長內政部備詢院長好 兩位長官好我不知道你今天的報告這個是哪一位的幕僚幫你寫的 |
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這個報告叫做睜眼說瞎話你知道吧你看到第四頁我也截了一段你們寫了說損失金額每月減少五億元但是從今年的二月 |
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3月4月一路攀升一路攀升你怎麼好小意思講說每月減少5億這是睜眼說瞎話我們也要你回答你先不要回答不要急那麼我們來看按照這個來推估不是推估事實上是如此一年我們的被詐騙的金額高達1000億高達1000億是多我為了這個事情開過兩次公聽會 |
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我幾乎我的辦公室啊幾乎每個禮拜一定有好幾件被炸的有老師 退休的老師有退休的公務員來一邊講一邊哭啊哎呀我這個開公聽會的時候找那個當事人來他講講就哭起來了七十幾歲他的所有的積蓄一千萬都沒了 |
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都不去啊然後呢 那時候我找了內政部的警政署相關的長官來那個長官非常的認真跟他說這個 報告這個老師你這個錢大概要不回來了欸 多殘酷啊我們找長官來欸警政署長官來就告訴他沒有希望 為什麼平均如果真的能破 不一定能破能破大概一年拿回來多少 十把 |
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拿回來這是最樂觀的最樂觀的就是一年能夠破案因為他立案就要一個月到三個月的時間然後再開始調查什麼之類的 |
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真的 台灣很可憐的啦我們的打詐金額 預算越變越多打詐指揮中心 人員也都給你們愛人給你們 愛錢給你們結果我們的結果是這樣就是我每一次人家跟我講的時候我心裡都好難過 我說我能做什麼我跟立法委能做什麼好了 最近又看到一個 也是要跟我們澄清 |
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錢沒有很多 可是我心裡也很痛他說 通知他 你電費少交了請你補49塊錢 台幣49點進去 49 進去以後就進去了好了 扣款扣多少 3萬8這是千真萬確的事實我的鄉民服務案 如果你要我都可以給你看 |
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怎麼會這個樣子他叫我說我少交了四十幾塊錢結果一扣扣三萬八這就是詐騙集團這就是我們各自全部都洩露院長你知道嗎台灣的我們所有的人包括你我在內包括韓院長包括所有的部委首長 |
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每一個人的個資通通在網上可以被交易總共多少錢你知道嗎全台灣2300萬人金額多少錢2300萬人的個資賣5000塊美金賣5000塊美金這是我們目前的狀況目前的狀況是這個樣子我們裡面有寫到院長 院長 |
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你們今天說這本報告多少賭多少我們也不要在這裡口舌我當然我知道你回答很多你也不滿意 這個態度對這個態度對 可是我們希望要進取預計 針對問題我們來看比較客觀給你打分數 check GPT他幫你打分數 |
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落實性給你5分25分裡面給5分等於100分的話就是給多少?給20分而已可衡量性10分而已創新性15分 條理完整作文比賽 你們25分得滿分 你看到你這切的GPT對你不錯說你很好作文 你很好作文但是你看 |
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報告委員 我不會以60分為滿意我要更高 我們要努力我不會以60分為滿意 我要更高我要更高 不會以60分為滿意希望我們一起努力 |
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好 這個兩位長官你們真的我是在第一線的我第一線的明帶這種案子實在太多了幾乎每個禮拜都有有時候這個禮拜多一點有時候這個禮拜少一點幾乎都有 心裡很痛啊因為來的幾乎都是退休的幾乎都是退休的他說 有的參加投資投資 現在投資最多啊 |
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都跟這件事情有關係 洩露個資來我們來看喔我們那個書發部的長官也可以一起來齁這是審計部的報告 請看這個page審計部的報告我們打詐是不是應該有一個統一的窗口你現在看喔書發部編113年編了網路詐騙通報查詢網 |
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通報查詢網這幾個APP系統開發跟維護維運的預算1350萬114年平台維運5800多萬 |
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我們165大家都知道啊 打電話詐騙了165打165165這個警政署這邊編了110萬可是呢 舉報的功能反詐騙平台編了1210萬老實講 這兩個是重組的報告委員 你聽不聽得懂不要急 不要急喔 不要急喔部長是說這數據有誤5月15號 蘇華部的正式上線結果通報只有7筆你知道嗎 4000筆 |
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四千筆 絕對不值 我就查了這個是審計部的報告審計部的報告 |
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我以上的資料都是審計部的審計部跟你查的 這很有公信力的什麼都不知 你不能夠以你的那種感覺來 我就請教院長 索巴部的黃部長先不要讓你講話來 院長你這個能不能整合一下能不能整合一下 你不要 這兩個都一樣啊有什麼不一樣 重複的啊重複啊 我預算裡面 所以你這個錢這樣子亂花一通 |
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我們今年才上線 審計部應該沒有最新的資料 |
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審計部的資料就114年這是我家進來的113年是審計部的資料114年是我的那審計部就是審計部的重點所以這兩個應該要結合我就告訴你這一點審計部的報告 |
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報告委員我們現在下架的數目超過3萬就是說下架的數目所以這個數字是有嚴重錯誤他原來一上去5月15號我現在跟你講5月15號我不是講現在我跟你講5月15號5月15號我要跟你強調現在老實講老百姓習慣165老百姓習慣165 |
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所以我覺得這次是稽開的我們蘇華部的黃部長請你回去我們再請衛福部的長官時間請暫停一下請衛福部備詢邱部長內政部的劉部長要可以先請回 |
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今天啦 我特別講一個東西啊資料外洩 我們有民安 有網暗網 有社群通訊軟體然後呢 馬街醫院2002年的 今年的3月 他的資料外洩那時候我就去問給你們喔給你們喔 給衛福部喔 立法委員 賴司法辦公室去問給你 |
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你們給我回答的是什麼你們給我回答的是說這是暗網 這不是暗網 這是明網這是明網 這不是暗網 OK然後今天最新的 今天剛出來的台灣阿比侯頭頸外科醫學會各自全部結論那個院長啊 你知道吧我們每一個人 很多人 |
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以我為例 我就常常接到這個電話 也不是電話 簡訊簡訊就告訴我什麼地方可以投資你要投資嗎 什麼投資平台 加入什麼社 什麼投資社好了 那我就想 他怎麼有我的電話他怎麼有我的電話 我隨便一問 每一個人都有類似這樣的遭遇 |
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我們的個資洩漏的非常的嚴重所以今天來講的話可以這麼講我今天要打砸怎麼樣防止個資的外洩是非常重要的我剛才一開始我就講了我們五千塊美金可以把台灣所有每一個人的個資都拿到這個是昨天晚上我看到的資料那個邱部長 |
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這個B喉外科醫學會這裡面就是每一個大醫生他的姓名他的電話他的住址通在裡面請部長回答 說明一下好 包委 |
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從今年3月我們開始發現醫院有相關的資安的一個資料的一個外線以後我們衛福部的資訊是馬上就召集我們所有的關鍵就是也就是急重症的醫院就是那個關鍵的醫院大概有二三十家我們就馬上來整個資安的一個部的一個檢視然後給他們一個SOP那除了這樣以後所以他們以後就 |
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不會再發生這種情況那另外因為這樣的SOP台灣的醫院有幾百家所以也後來比較小型的醫院也希望他們也能夠有這樣的一個SOP所以我們也都布置下去了今天是鎖定衛福部鎖管的好多醫院都各自外洩的不會不會現在都已經我們都已經有給他們SOP新光也有啊對不對沒有我現在問你喔 |
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那醫學會來講會比較因為醫學會還沒有列管到我們的這個好像醫療機構一樣他只是會員的資料不是病人的資料所以這個部分我們會來瞭解你對於現在醫院的治安有沒有做一些輔導 |
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對醫院的治安我們有進行輔導當然我們從三月以後就我們已經給非常嚴格的用最高規格的來對三十家這種大型的醫院我們已經給他最嚴格的治安的指導然後接下來又把這個SOP做法給所有的醫院去遵照因為有些醫院沒辦法有那麼多資源來建造來建構這樣的一個治安網你要指導怎麼樣去 |
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我有一句話 我們對醫院 對銀行 對電信公司 對護證所我們都展開這樣的 因為掌握了這個趨勢了各自的保護 針對這幾個機關你們要不要要求醫院設資安長這樣的一個做法 我想各個醫院都一定有資安的一個體系 一個主任銀行有資安長 但是醫院沒有 |
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我們公立的各部會以及我們機關我們都設有資安長醫院沒有資安長如果沒有的話我們會請他能夠補上因為資安長確實在保護個資上面是需要的一定有資訊室主任但是資安長他的一個設立跟定位我們趕快來研議看看能不能配合整個政府的組織來一同步那個蘇華部的長官可以再一起來 |
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這個最後一小題麻煩再請速發部備選那個邱部長可以請回謝謝我們都知道現在的詐騙變成是跨國性的那麼連結國際打擊假帳號我們跟Meta或者Google Line合作阻斷詐騙的廣告具體的規範跟KPI有沒有來 請教 |
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自從炸房條例通過之後我們是定期密集的跟這四大平台網路廣告平台商有開會後來我們要求兩個基本要做到一個就是實名制一個就是他們收到所謂的下架的公文要在24小時內廣告下架這個他們 |
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我們就執行一段時間以後發現Meta沒有做到所以我們已經罰過他兩次1600萬什麼時候可以全部做到我們現在就邀請現在就要全部做到但是現在沒有全部做到現在我們就是定期在查驗什麼時候可以 |
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他們只要沒有做到我們馬上開罰所以現在我們還在檢查所以目前是這樣子現在其實對於那個詐騙的廣告其實可以RPG不是可以封嗎RPG是那種一頁式網站一頁式網站就是說如果是那種一頁式網站我們如果查到的話我們會進行所謂RPG把它遮蔽但是對LINE 對FACEBOOK |
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對Google這種公司你不可能把它全部遮蔽所以你只能要求它下架某些有問題的廣告所以對這次公司我們做法是用發文去要求它下降有問題的網頁有問題的廣告這是我們目前的目的好 謝謝賴思寶委員的資訊謝謝 |