| IVOD_ID |
163530 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163530 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-15T14:46:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-15T15:02:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/feafe23bd7168de6212c1b927a403d8818cf3659852ed25088e117da0b2e71516e64d1a1634640805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:46:31 - 15:02:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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黃委員好時間要暫停一下我想請問一下針對現在政府反詐騙的成績您滿意嗎 |
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早上也有相當多的委員詢問過這樣我始終的答案是我知道我跟國人一樣都不會滿意現在的任何成績但是我希望大家給我們第一線的工作人員多一點的鼓勵多一點的時間我們內政部長您認為在內政部的工作打照有收到成效嗎您滿意嗎 |
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報告 報告委員 從來沒有滿意過因為打炸本來就是有很多不同的面向 大家一起合作所以成效仍然不髒我們第一線的同仁確實很努力 非常的努力在處理打炸有成效嗎我認為成效不是太好 不夠好來 我請教我們法務部部長您對法務部打炸的成效 您滿意嗎 |
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我想我們可以再更有努力的一個空間那我想我們檢察官也跟各個機關來做一個合作好 所以成效仍然不夠好對 那個我們有很多的非常好的一個案例那我想對一個兆團這其實也建立一個很好的一個我來請院長和部長其實我剛才點名的幾位部長首長也請你們看一下 |
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行政院一直把打詐作為一個主要的施政的目標但是這幾年行政院變成伏詐王也就是從蔡英文政府時代那個時候從成立所謂的跨部會中心的打詐中心一直到2022年又成立了打詐國家隊2023年蔡政府又成立了行政院的打詐辦公室 |
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可是我們打詐的金額跟數量逐年升高並沒有隨著這些打詐中心打詐辦公室而有所改善而這兩年我們打詐就是被詐騙的金額更是節節升高 |
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以今年一到七月份我們半年被詐騙的金額達到555億元比去年的502年已經超越了而這個是我們行政院又成立新世代打擊詐騙詐欺行動綱領的2.0所以 |
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我們現在每一個首長都說要打詐 預算也編了但是如果我們看被詐騙的數字 尤其金額事實上是越來越讓人觸目驚心所以行政院變成伏詐王 而不是打詐王 |
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那我另外請教在今年我們編列了預算2025年中央政府就是當時因為要打炸所以呢這個有關於打炸的預算由前一年的2024年13億元增加到73億元 |
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增加的數量不算少是倍數5.6倍之多那我想請問一下這麼多的預算的金額其中還是網路課金運用的經濟計劃所以我剛才為什麼去特別去點名像數法部NCC |
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請問一下我們的預算用到哪裡去了為什麼我們編列這麼多的預算給行政院說實在我在司法法治委員會發布說要打仗要編預算我們一毛錢都不敢刪全部給 |
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但是我們打炸的成績剛才看到鴨鴨屋所以我想請問一下這樣子的一個成績所以我剛才請教各位你們滿意嗎如果你們滿意的話我覺得所有的老百姓欲哭無淚你們在報告裡面也講到打炸有幾個是炸這個是主要是內政部的工作 |
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賭詐NCC防詐速發部阻詐金管會懲詐懲戒詐騙法務部所以院長最近也講到行政院要內閣改組如果以現在詐騙這種成績這幾個部會誰應該要下台部長請說一下 |
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謝謝委員打炸當然是國家重要的施政方向但是各部會不是單一做打炸這件工作我當然會要求各位首長專注在打炸這個事情上提出一個更讓國人理解跟接受的成績 |
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但是部會的工作包羅萬象我會用綜合性的考量來看看對整個團隊對政府的施政對人民有沒有提出我們政府的施政終究會有一些目標跟KPI值 |
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那麼有些是財經財經做的好不好那就要看了看我們的經濟成長率看我們的失業率看我們的消費物價是不是有通貨膨脹這都是有數字可以去做一個參考剛才講到這幾個部會沒有錯我也同意他的工作不是完全是在打擊詐騙可是當現在的打詐的工作已經確實做到所有的國人都有感 |
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那種有感是什麼有感的憤怒啊有感的憤怒現在已經到了摩才害命的地步我們最近發生的台中豐原一家五口都我們很難過自殺死亡為了詐騙我們也有看到內湖母女一對母女也為了詐騙 |
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而這個輕生所以當我們看到這麼多的社會事件而我們去看到打炸的成績所以 |
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院長你覺得這幾個部會打詐的成績我不認為你會滿意如果你滿意的話那就代表你們是整個政府的集體麻木所以我想請問未來在內閣改組裡面打詐不力會不會成為內閣改組的一個檢討的其中的一個環節 |
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我早上的報告跟剛剛我們都說過我們不會以現在做的成績做任何的滿意但是我們如果跟去年8月跟今年相比我們在案件數有降低了22%財產損失有降低了37%這當然還是有相當高的金額但至少趨勢有在緩緩下降我們給我們的法律依據法律手段更多的這個意思還要給你們時間 |
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我希望大家給我們更多一點時間我們把現在的機制讓它更完善更強大依照現在所列舉的各種機制來做好各種工作這就是你不了解為什麼你們現在的整個內閣的民調滿意度這麼低 |
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其實老說所有的相關的這些政府施政打詐是民運最高的其中之一同不同意同意好那另外院長跟您請教一下我們再來看下一頁今天在網路上有一個公文因為現在詐騙太多了我要跟院長來求證一下網路上有一個公文就是總統府函文給行政院 |
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這個檢証本府公共事務室會診就是今年7月份民眾關注的重要議題其中一個就是要檢討今年7月26號罷免投票結果檢討罷免失敗的原因而且提供後續的施政建議院長 這個公文是真的還是假的因為我不曉得是不是詐騙 |
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我沒有看過這個公文但是如果文藝看起來他是反映民眾關注重要議題像這樣反映民眾關注議題的文會有相當多這只是很多當中的一件而已當民眾有提出這個時候希望行政院來檢討就會轉到這裡來這只是過程當中所以你就會檢討所以院長我看我想你看到這個公文的時候你會被皮皮剉因為第一個 |
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在整個大罷免當時總統賴清德主席講說這是公民團體的運動但是後來我們看到民進黨中央有很多的發文民進黨直接拿公文要求配合大罷免這個是我們第一次看到來自於總統府提到大罷免所以請問一下這種公文到底是總統的韓文還是黨中央的韓文 |
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報告委員他並不是要我們配合大罷免的任何行動他是民眾來要求我們做這樣的檢討但是我認為行政院重要的工作不在檢討罷免的成敗與否行政院檢討是罷免也好或是8月23的公投也好這個投票的秩序是不是順利這個公文裡面有說檢討罷免失敗原因承認大罷免大失敗所以您承認大罷免大失敗嗎 |
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我們只希望不管是罷免或是公投讓罷免跟公投的投票行為能夠順利這個是行政院的工作中選會跟行政院的工作至於他的結果如何不在我們檢討的範圍另外院長我請教在726之後總統府已經要求你們要去檢討失敗的原因而且提供後續的政績那麼如果823也大罷免繼續大失敗您會因此請辭下台嗎 |
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我們不會去檢討罷免失敗的原因只要罷免的投票順利不順利這才是行政院會檢討的地方希望他能夠順利那麼一個正式工作者隨時對國人負責 |
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这是应该有的态度我刚才特别讲其实你的打仗大失败你们的打仗大失败绝对也是这次大罢免大失败的原因但是其中因为检讨有关于大罢免失败的原因我也要问因为这两天你们行政院传出终于要普发现金一万元因为之前行政院说我们立法院通过的普发现金一万元是违宪 |
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然後又說呢這個呢根本是政府沒有錢那甚至有民進黨立委還說這是配合中共的窮台政策把我們立法院通過的普巴現金一萬元講的不值一文 |
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那可是現在呢行政院也提出要撲發現金一萬元那我請問一下之前你們對於立法院所通過撲發現金一萬元的種種的污衊和抨擊這是不是一個詐騙這不是污衊我們是表達行政的立場我們要舉借這是事實 |
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這次的2350億以上的普發現金其中部分要舉借債務來支應這是事實當時沒有經過徵詢行政院而增加大幅的支出違反了憲法跟預算法的精神這也是事實所以你們現在你們來發就沒有違憲你們來發就沒有財務的問題這個說得通嗎我們是舉債 |
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然後我要跟院長說你們因為政治上的鬥爭一直在延遲整個的我們因應美國貿易戰特別條例我們的特別條例在7月15號就在立法院三讀通過8月1號總統府就公告如果你們不這樣折騰來折騰去一直在東搞西搞現在又搞一個特別條例 |
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搞來特別條例接下來呢就要送特別預算對不對是這時辰有沒有延當 |
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我們在特別條例通過的時候我們這時候談判正到最後的關頭我們也很希望在談判底定的時候是不是對特別條例內容要再做有所調整所以保留了一點彈性即使到現在為止談判的最後決定還沒有出現20%是暫時性關稅所以你自己都發現你站不住腳 |
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因為你們自己說這是暫時性好如果20%暫時性你現在即便通過來的特別條例更不要說你們還沒有告訴我們有多少市場要開放還有美國多少的產品過來關稅要降低甚至是零關稅我們通通不知道一樣啊瞎子摸象啊一樣子啊摸石頭過河啊 |
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那在這個狀況之下你們一直遲延 延遲又把特別條例送過來我再審你特別預算所以啊 院長 |
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我老實說你們是不是多此一舉啊不是 8月1號行政院行政效率之低下就來自8月1號20%的特別的暫時性關稅才宣布出來8月7號開始執行那我們為了說暫時性關稅能夠延續多久還保留一個彈性所以我們在預算特別條例的修正案當中提出了第二期200億的保留我們有做這樣的彈性運用 請委員支持 |
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我們其實有關於產業資源的部分我們都會支持所以我們當時第一時間你們從880億提高到930億我們都說無條件支持你們只是為了一個普巴現金因為這樣卡卡卡我有講過蘇貞昌院長當時普巴現金當時112年2月21號特別條例三讀然後當天總統府就公佈 |
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即使如此特別預算搞了一個月才過來才三讀通過在那個時候特別條例經總統府公告然後特別預算也到一個月才通過但是那時候蘇貞昌院長算是他是有效率的所以我要在這邊講就是因為你們花了 |
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好 謝謝王宏威委員質詢 |