| IVOD_ID |
163523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163523 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-15T11:09:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-15T11:25:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/feafe23bd7168de6d9a6b4a00187f2a918cf3659852ed250fb168977f54a35c25681eeb3af1d310c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:09:50 - 11:25:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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主席有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓委員好院長好在正式進入主題之前我想先說一個減一加二的小故事我在總統府擔任副秘書長期間大概每個月一到兩次 |
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都會陪馬英九總統聽取警政署長的治安報告那這也是馬總統八年執政幾乎每個月都一定會做的事情那每一次治安報告馬總統一定會要警政署長報告一個統計數字就是酒駕肇事致死的統計數字我每次都看著他對著署長講還有辦法再降嗎 |
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到底這個酒駕照試致死的人數要用什麼方法把它減少呢這個月又增加的原因是什麼就這樣子一直陪著他聽這個治安簡報日復一日重複一模一樣的場景可是有一天馬總統在跟警政署長聽報告的時候突然嘆了一口氣說他說署長你知道嗎 |
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這個數字每降個一就代表拯救了兩個家庭的幸福我其實聽了這句話的時候非常感動那時候馬總統可能沒有注意到每降一救的不只是那個可能被害的被害者的家庭他其實也是救了肇事者的家庭一個酒駕肇事致死毀掉是兩個家庭那麼 |
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把總統這麼執著在這件事情上有沒有功效呢我分享給院長事實上根據交通部大安會的統計 |
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酒駕肇事致死的人數最高峰是2008年陳水扁總統他那時候高峰是一年948人到馬總統2016年卸任的時候下降到399人減少549人降幅超過將近60%代表這一連串的反酒駕的措施 |
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拯救了549條生命也就是將近1000個家庭這一加二的體貼就跟韓院長曾經說過莫忘世上苦人多其實是同一個心情我現在就要進入主題了我想請教院長你對民進黨執政9年打詐成績你打幾分 |
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拜託委員不要讓我自己打這樣的分數我剛剛已經說過了數字不代表任何一個滿意的程度我知道院長的原則都不會自己打自己分數但是我告訴你這一題如果你去問陳歐破的話他會跟你講100分 |
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畢竟陳歐珀住處搜索到一個關鍵筆記本裡面標注曾經收受IMB這個吸金高達83億多的詐騙案主嫌曾耀峰800萬元他可能很滿意我們民進黨執政9年的打詐的成績所以這一題如果是由陳歐珀 由詐團來打分數我想應該可以拿到100分 |
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那我再問如果這個問題拿去問2022年台版柬埔寨案當中被詐欺集團集體拘禁關押虐待的61個被害者請問院長你覺得他們會打幾分絕對是非常不好的分數 |
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那我問你好如果是問其中那三位被虐待死亡的38歲的黃姓男子拘禁12天因為被毆打凝月受不了跳樓身亡45歲黃姓婦人被毆打凝月因為肝硬化腹腔積水腫脹發炎出血24天休克死亡 |
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死亡前還跟他同樣被拘禁的受虐人跟他講說拜託你出去跟我的兒子講媽媽對不起你媽媽沒有辦法陪你到最後患慢性病的57歲零性男子被拘禁虐待腿部受傷延誤治療腿部潰爛非常痛哀嚎結果被未讀噤聲最後心肌梗塞死亡 |
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詐團殘暴到令人髮指你認同吧我們都非常痛恨這樣的行為我們也覺得應該有大的利益到能夠來阻止重複發生繼續來打擊這個犯罪那你覺得對這些被活活虐死的黃姓男子 黃姓婦人 林姓男子他們會對政府打詐打幾分我告訴你啦0分 答對了0分啦0分啦 |
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那我再問你喔 上個月喔我用一句話 就是這些個案我都承認 都是事實但討論的時候 我們還是要給很多夥伴們我從來不會否認 也否定我們今天打炸前線的我們的同仁的努力但我要提醒你是 莫忘世上苦人多甚至莫忘世上冤魂多 |
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上個月台中市風源被發現一家五口沉屍屋內屋主妻子大女兒二女兒小兒子全部倒臥房內死亡多日你知道他是怎麼死亡的嗎 |
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這新聞很大喔我想部長知道吧這件事那個台中地刑偵辦中那個主嫌也受壓偵辦了煽盡家財 搗欠五百萬因為遇到投資詐騙 舉家被活活逼死那又請問他們要打幾分呢積蓄權沒了 因為陷投資詐騙損失兩百五十萬 汐止老夫婦輕生 |
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台北市內湖區一對母女被騙一千兩百萬在家輕生情侶慘遭被騙走七百多萬雙雙輕生基隆曲姓女子被騙走畢生積蓄五百五十一萬輕生死亡院長還需要我繼續說下去嗎我知道案件確實很多那這個表格我只強調一點因為2024年我們統計數字改變所以會增加很多案件 |
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我告訴你這個是事實因為你就知道我通常會突襲你我表格要放上去我現在還在講案件數字我待會再告訴你我也聽到前面你們答詢的回答你有什麼話要對這些受害者家屬說受害者說他們在天之靈說 |
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請問他們要打幾分啊我們當然非常不捨但我們覺得政府應該更有所作為全球犯罪行為在台灣我們不能置外於全球這個犯罪行為之外院長 我告訴你零分 零分 零分好了 剛剛院長跟我講不能只看個案所以數字拿給你看這數字我不一一念啦 |
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500.428 |
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如果按照這個內政部警政署的打詐儀表版我只能用觸目驚心來形容當然我也聽到剛剛部長的解釋統計方法不同統計方法不同但是數字總是正確 總是真的吧不是假消息吧數字是正確那我告訴你我也聽到剛剛部長跟院長你們回答的數字 |
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很抱歉 我也不客氣的說讓人民來看看他相信是法務部的數字還是警政署打詐於表白的數字哪個數字更接近我剛剛前面講的這一群因為政府打詐沒有做到好結果被詐騙集團詐騙到走投無路舉家輕生你問問他們他們相信這個數字還是相信法務部你的數字 |
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人民的感受是什麼而且重點 這打造儀標板你們有講說下半年統計嘛對不對 去年 是嗎所以回溯以前的東西嘛 是不是不是回溯 它是用計算方式本來是以犯罪者 炸船來算它算一個案件現在是以受害者來算可能有十個 可能有三十個案件無論如何 我告訴院長跟部長 |
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589.981 |
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當然賴總統上任才一年多了其實說真的這打仗問題我們已經關心很久了民進黨是執政九年了九年了要嘛今天賴清德總統沒做好要嘛蔡英文總統沒做好但不管哪個總統沒做好都是民進黨政府沒做好這一點我希望能夠記在心上那我要問一下我們政府真的百分之百用心在打擊詐騙嗎 |
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613.773 |
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我們很積極在做這個事情我告訴你 也許你很積極那有一個人跟委員報告你要不要讓我講事實上我們是全方位的在做一個處理在一個 全面的在打砸我跟你在時髮法治委會譬如說台北地檢署最近不是有一件那個斬金專案我的質詢時間有效不是刻意要打斷我沒有否定 |
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641.408 |
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我沒有否定今天第一線人員的努力啊我剛剛有否定嗎我沒有否定啊讓我問問題好不好可以嗎 讓我問問題我沒有否定 你不用急著defend啊真的不用急 我也沒有否定辦案人員的辛勞我們都知道 我也肯定啊我要問的只有一個人不是你 也不是卓院長我要問的是賴清德總統 |
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當這些枉死的人期待政府交出詐騙成績單過去一年多賴總統忙什麼你告訴我忙三件事情大罷免大罷免大罷免我跟你講院長聽我講完你再評論 |
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如果他用大罷免十分之一的心思好好打仗也許往死的幽魂可以少一些我要謝謝台灣人民用25比0敲醒執政者敲醒賴總統謝謝他們 我要 院長你跟總統都要謝謝台灣人民 |
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687.791 |
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716.369 |
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為什麼是25比0 你知道嗎我走在路上 每天站在路上早上五點多出門 晚上十一二點回家民眾心心念念 盼望的是政府好好打仗不要搞大鬥爭25比0就是提醒我們的政府把所有的心思 百分之百的心思放來好好打仗 放來做關稅的應變放來去治理國政啦 |
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745.511 |
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我只要一句話去年520之前總統只告訴我強化治安發展經濟是兩項最重要的工作他沒有做其他的交代說到心沒到心不在焉我不敢講說百分之百不在焉但他的心起碼被框了百分之九十在大罷免上並沒有這樣子的你說沒有讓民眾判斷沒有關係因為這個是不可能跟你達成共識我知道 |
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我為什麼在質詢要講馬總統防治酒駕的故事啊當酒駕肇事歷史新高的包袱交到馬總統手上的時候他是用什麼心思在降酒駕肇事啊八年任內降幅60%每個月每個月每個月的丁我拜託 我真的拜託院長 也許總統做不到 拜託你做到 |
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本來是一件不可能完成的任務你知道嗎但是一個有心的總統就可以做到那我告訴你 我也不客氣的說今天 民進黨九年打詐不利還創造另外一個慘不忍睹的成績單你知道是什麼嗎秀出來沒有 有啊 告訴你衛福部六月公布 |
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2024年國人十大死因蓄意自我傷害也就是自殺在14年後重回十大主因十大死因排名第十專家說跟詐騙有關因為很多人人生無望選擇輕生那我告訴你啊 |
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這個自殺防制我要再講一個馬總統莫忘世上苦人多親自督導的故事台灣自殺人數在民國在2006年陳水扁執政的時候是達到高峰的4406人歷史新高也一直在國人十大死因當中馬總統上任後積極推動自殺防制工作在他的任內有效降低死亡人數 |
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2010年自殺終於退出國人十大死因我在當總統府副秘書長那年比2006年少了700人我要講的事情其實一個很簡單的事情總統的用心院長的用心部長的用心你們多一份用心 |
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就少一個家庭破碎你們多一個用心就少一個詐騙去傷害無辜的老百姓至少一件事我相信院長你一定可以跟我達成共識啦現在詐騙真的是國恥沒錯吧是不是啊這也是全球性的犯罪沒錯啊 |
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我們台灣真的是國際也很多在講台灣的詐欺不只台灣 全球性都有這樣的工作院長 拜託 放在心上謝謝你我們要努力 我們會努力謝謝委員好 謝謝羅志強委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 |
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羅委員智強：（11時9分）主席，有請院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員好。 |
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羅委員智強：院長好。在正式進入主題之前，我想先說一個減一加二的小故事，我在總統府擔任副秘書長期間，大概每個月1到2次，都會陪馬英九總統聽取警政署長的治安報告，這也是馬總統8年執政幾乎每個月都一定會做的事情，每一次治安報告中馬總統一定會要警政署長報告一個統計數字，就是酒駕肇事致死的統計數字。我每次都看著他對著署長講，還有辦法再降嗎？到底酒駕肇事致死的人數要用什麼方法把它減少呢？這個月又增加的原因是什麼？就這樣子一直陪著他聽著治安簡報，日復一日，重複一模一樣的場景，可是有一天，馬總統在跟警政署長聽報告的時候，他突然嘆了一口氣說：署長，你知道嗎？這個數字每降個「1」就代表拯救了兩個家庭的幸福。我其實聽了這句話的時候非常感動，那時候馬總統還沒有注意到，每降1可能救的不只是被害者的家庭，其實也是救了肇事者的家庭，一個酒駕肇事致死毀掉是兩個家庭，那麼馬總統這麼執著在這件事情上，有沒有功效呢？我分享給院長，事實上根據交通部道安會的統計，酒駕肇事致死的人數最高峰是2008年陳水扁總統，那時候高峰是一年948人；到馬總統2016年卸任的時候，下降到399人，減少549人，降幅超過將近60%，代表這一連串的反酒駕措施拯救了549條生命，也就是將近1,000個家庭。這一加二的體貼，就跟韓院長曾經說過：「莫忘世上苦人多」，其實是同一個心情。 |
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我現在就要進入主題了，我想請教院長，你對民進黨執政9年打詐成績，你打幾分？ |
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卓院長榮泰：拜託委員，不要讓我自己打這樣的分數，我剛剛已經說過，數字不代表任何一個滿意的程度。 |
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羅委員智強：我知道院長的原則都不會自己打自己分數，但是我告訴你…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這個我更不敢打。 |
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羅委員智強：這一題，如果你去問陳歐珀的話，他會跟你講100分，畢竟陳歐珀住處搜索到一個關鍵筆記本，裡面標註曾經收受im.B吸金高達八十三億多的詐騙案主嫌曾耀鋒800萬元，他可能很滿意我們民進黨執政9年的打詐成績，所以這一題如果是由陳歐珀、由詐團來打分數，我想應該可以拿到100分。我再問，如果這個問題拿去問2022年臺版柬埔寨案當中，被詐欺集團集體拘禁、關押、虐待的61個被害者，請問院長，你覺得他們會打幾分？ |
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卓院長榮泰：絕對是非常不好的分數。 |
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羅委員智強：答對了，非常不好的分數。那我問你，如果是問其中那3位被虐待死亡的38歲黃姓男子拘禁12天，因為被毆打、凌虐，受不了跳樓身亡；45歲黃姓婦人被毆打、凌虐，因為肝硬化腹腔積水、腫脹發炎出血，24天休克死亡，死亡前還跟同樣被拘禁的受虐人說：拜託你出去跟我的兒子講，媽媽對不起你，媽媽沒有辦法陪你到最後；患慢性病57歲林姓男子，被拘禁、虐待，腿部受傷延誤治療，腿部潰爛非常痛地哀嚎，結果被餵毒噤聲，最後心肌梗塞死亡。詐團殘暴到令人髮指，你認同吧？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們都非常痛恨這樣的行為，也覺得應該有大的力道能夠阻止重複發生，繼續來打擊犯罪。 |
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羅委員智強：你覺得對這些被活活虐死的黃姓男子、黃姓婦人、林姓男子，他們對政府打詐會打幾分？ |
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卓院長榮泰：應該完全沒有分數。 |
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羅委員智強：我告訴你啦！答對了，零分，零分啦！我再問你喔…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我只有一句話，這些個案我都承認，都是事實…… |
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羅委員智強：非常好。 |
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卓院長榮泰：但討論的時候，還是要給很多夥伴們多一點的打氣。 |
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羅委員智強：我從來不會否認或否定今天打詐前線同仁的努力。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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羅委員智強：但我要提醒你，莫忘世上苦人多，甚至莫忘世上冤魂多。上個月臺中市豐原發現一家五口陳屍屋內，屋主、妻子、大女兒、二女兒及小兒子，全部倒臥房內死亡多日，您知道他們是怎麼死亡的嗎？這新聞很大喔！我想部長知道吧？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這件事臺中地檢偵辦中，主嫌也收押偵辦…… |
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羅委員智強：散盡家財，倒欠五百萬，因為遇到投資詐騙，舉家被活活逼死，又請問他們會打幾分呢？積蓄全沒了，因為陷投資詐騙損失250萬，汐止老夫婦輕生；臺北市內湖區一對母女被騙1,200萬，在家輕生；情侶慘被騙走七百多萬，雙雙輕生；基隆許姓女子被騙走畢生積蓄551萬，輕生死亡。院長，還需要我繼續說下去嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道案件確實很多，這個表格我只強調一點，因為2024年統計數字改變，所以會增加很多案件，表格是事實、是對的…… |
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羅委員智強：我待會會跟你講表格，院長要知道，我不會突襲你，我表格要放上去。 |
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卓院長榮泰：這是事實，我只是要提醒因為統計的方式改變…… |
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羅委員智強：我現在還在講案件，數字我等等再告訴你，我也聽到前面你答詢的回答，你有什麼話要對這些受害者家屬說？對在天之靈的受害者說？請問他們會打幾分？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們當然非常不捨，政府應該更有所作為，在臺灣，我們不能置於全球犯罪行為之外。 |
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羅委員智強：院長，我告訴你，零分、零分、零分！好，剛剛院長跟我講不能只看個案，所以數字拿給你看，這數字我不一一念，如果按照內政部警政署的打詐儀錶板，我只能用怵目驚心來形容，當然我也聽到剛剛部長的解釋，統計方法不同。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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羅委員智強：統計方法不同，但是數字總是真的吧？不是假消息吧！ |
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卓院長榮泰：數字是正確的，因為統計方式不同，呈現出來不同。 |
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羅委員智強：那我告訴你，我也聽到剛剛部長跟院長回答的數字，很抱歉，我也不客氣地說，來看看人民相信的是法務部的數字，還是警政署打詐儀錶板的數字，哪個數字更接近？我剛剛前面講的這一群，因為政府打詐沒有做到好，結果被詐騙集團詐騙到走投無路、舉家輕生，你問問他們，他們相信這個數字還是相信法務部的數字？人民的感受是什麼？而且重點，這打詐儀錶板，你們有講說下半年統計嘛，對不對？去年，是嗎？所以回溯以前的東西嘛，是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是回溯，是改變計算方式，本來是以犯罪者詐團來算一個案件，現在以受害者來算，可能有10個、可能有30個案件。 |
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羅委員智強：無論如何，我告訴院長跟部長，當然賴總統上任才一年多，其實說真的這打詐問題，我們已經關心很久了，民進黨執政九年了！要嘛今天賴清德總統沒做好，要嘛蔡英文總統沒做好，但不管哪個總統沒做好，都是民進黨政府沒做好，這一點我希望能夠記在心上。我要問一下，政府真的百分之百用心在打擊詐騙嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們很積極在做這個事情…… |
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羅委員智強：我告訴你，也許你很積極，但有一個人…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：跟委員報告，你要不要讓我講？事實上我們是全方位在處理，全方位在打詐…… |
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羅委員智強：部長，我跟你在司法及法制委員會…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：譬如說，臺北地檢署最近不是有一件斬金專案查到五千多人…… |
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羅委員智強：我的質詢時間有限，不是刻意要打斷你，我沒有否定今天第一線人員的努力啊，我剛有否定嗎？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：羈押了五十幾個人，所以我們在懲詐交出一個……我們是全力的溯源來查辦這些詐團。 |
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羅委員智強：部長，我沒有否定，讓我問問題，好不好？讓我問問題，我沒有否定，你不用急著defend，真的不用急，我又沒有否定辦案人員的辛勞，我們都知道，我也肯定啊！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：因為法務部是負責懲詐的這部分。 |
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羅委員智強：我要問的只有一個人，不是你、也不是卓院長，我要問的是賴清德總統，當這些枉死的人，期待政府交出詐騙成績單，過去一年多，賴總統忙什麼，你告訴我！忙三件事情：大罷免、大罷免、大罷免！ |
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卓院長榮泰：總統對於…… |
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羅委員智強：我跟你講，院長，聽我講完，你再評論。如果他用大罷免十分之一的心思，好好打詐，也許枉死的幽魂可以少一些啊！我要謝謝臺灣人民用25比0敲醒執政者、敲醒賴總統，謝謝他們！院長，你跟總統都要謝謝臺灣人民，為什麼是25比0你知道嗎？我走在路上，每天站在路上，早上五點多出門，晚上十一、十二點回家，民眾心心念念，盼望的是政府好好打詐，不要搞大鬥爭，25比0就是提醒我們的政府，把所有的心思、百分之百的心思放來好好打詐、放來做關稅的應變、放來治理國政啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我只要說一句話，去年520之前，總統只告訴我，強化治安、發展經濟是兩項最重要的工作，他沒有做其他的交代，所以我們也在做這樣的工作。 |
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羅委員智強：說到、心沒到，心不在焉啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們是全力在做。 |
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羅委員智強：我不敢講說百分之百不在焉，但他的心起碼被匡了90%在大罷免上。 |
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卓院長榮泰：並沒有這樣子。 |
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羅委員智強：你說沒有，那就讓民眾判斷，沒有關係，因為我講的這件事不可能跟你達成共識，我知道。我為什麼在質詢的時候要講馬總統防制酒駕的故事？當酒駕肇事歷史新高的包袱交到馬總統手上的時候，他是用什麼心思在降酒駕肇事啊？8年任內降幅60%，每個月、每個月、每個月的盯。拜託，我真的拜託院長，也許總統做不到，拜託你做到，這本來是一件不可能完成的任務，你知道嗎？但是一個有心的總統就可以做到。 |
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我告訴你，我也不客氣的說，今天民進黨9年打詐不力，還創造另外一個慘不忍睹的成績單，你知道是什麼嗎？衛福部6月公布2024年國人十大死因，蓄意自我傷害，也就是自殺，在14年後重回十大死因，自殺排名第十，專家說跟詐騙有關，因為很多人的人生無望，選擇輕生。 |
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我告訴你，關於自殺防治，我要再講一個馬總統莫忘世上苦人多、親自督導的故事。臺灣自殺人數在2006年陳水扁執政的時候達到高峰4,406人，歷史新高，也一直在國人十大死因當中；馬總統上任後，積極推動自殺防治工作，在他的任內有效降低死亡人數，2010年自殺終於退出國人十大死因，我在當總統府副秘書長那一年，比2006年少了700人。我要講的事情其實很簡單，總統的用心、院長的用心、部長的用心，你們多一份用心，就少一個家庭破碎，你們多一份用心、就少一個詐騙去傷害無辜的老百姓。至少有一件事，我相信院長，你一定可以跟我達成共識，現在詐騙真的是國恥，沒錯吧？是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這也是全球性的犯罪。 |
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羅委員智強：沒錯啊！我們臺灣真的是……國際上也很多在講臺灣的詐欺啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：不只臺灣，全球性都有這樣的詐騙，我們身在其中，我們要努力…… |
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羅委員智強：院長拜託放在心上，謝謝你。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們會努力，謝謝羅委員。 |
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主席：謝謝羅智強委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢，謝謝。 |
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接下來劉書彬委員質詢之後，我們會休息10分鐘，休息完畢以後，王義川委員請準備。 |
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現在請劉書彬委員質詢。 |
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49 |
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院會-11-3-25 |
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韓國瑜 |
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1 |
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2025-08-15 |
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1147101 |
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1147101_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第3會期第25次會議紀錄 |
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報告事項 |
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1147101_00001 |