| IVOD_ID |
163521 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163521 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-15T10:38:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-15T10:53:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/feafe23bd7168de6c4643f889672f07418cf3659852ed250fb168977f54a35c2f0509819ccb48bc75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:38:02 - 10:53:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第25次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出「新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效」專案報告並備質詢（8月15日）。二、行政院院長提出「全額撥付114年度對地方政府之一般性補助款及原住民族地區基本設施維持費等相關事宜」專案報告並備質詢（8月19日）。） |
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黃國雲好 |
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院長早我想今天打詐專報其實國人都非常的關心尤其是我認為詐騙正在傷害台灣您同意嗎這是一個全球性的犯罪行為台灣在這個工作上面我們還要持續的還要更加油院長上任之後有所謂的打詐惡典禮的政策從試詐賭詐阻詐懲詐 |
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那您剛剛說了很多數字我想剛剛大家也都看到了數字現在的問題在於成詐一年前院長記得嗎我們在這裡在立法院通過了打詐專法這個專法通過了整整一年這一年來您覺得成效怎麼樣 |
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我們在市詐跟防詐阻詐方面前面做很多懲詐呢但是懲詐可能還需要在刑事訴訟法懲詐的部分院長知道刑事法庭跟我們法務部還有我們立法院甚至跟行政院的立場完全不一樣我們通過的專法被司法院打臉院長知道嗎 |
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我覺得針點在於如何把犯罪的金額能夠把它取回以及被害人如何加強我們去年7月通過了打詐專法經過一年到今年的1月份 |
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最高法院開一個所謂的刑事大法去解釋我們當時為什麼立這個法立這個法的目的是什麼所以我們的立法意旨講得很清楚要如果你自白或自首繳回你的犯罪所得的話你可以減刑但是法院用所謂的繳回犯罪所得是他得到的酬勞所以一個車手繳回三千塊五千塊他就減刑了 |
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今天這個法條已經被最高法院大法庭解釋成就是這樣了所以打臉行政院打臉法務部打臉立法院法務部長去年今年五月我問你你說你會修法有 |
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法案立法院委員都已經提了案了法務部的草案有不敢拿出來院長你知道為什麼這個跟委員報告不敢拿出來為什麼這個法案現在在那個因為還在行政院審查所以院長在你桌上了沒因為還要再請司法院來一起來做一個討論我要問院長院長你看到了沒他要修法你知道嗎 |
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布裡面送出來草案通常程序上還有經過政委他一個月之後就修了我們6月21號對政委會已經排了他也拿出他的草案了但到今天8月15號沒有任何影子 |
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院長這叫做打架打一半啦對修法的方向是應該是明確而且可以進行是什麼時候要送來這個立法一直這麼清楚這個司法院完全不聯絡院長我再告訴你更可笑的當天6月21號內政部排審法案的時候法務部把他的草案拿出來司法院的代表告訴我們他第一次看到 |
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你們事先不聯絡了嗎你們在立這個法之前沒有告訴司法院你們的態度嗎這部分是在行政院的委員會討論這是在行政院審查中一定會請司法院來表示意見院長我現在說的是一個行政院一個法務部如果我們的法案不跟司法院討論你再送過來就白搭所以現在行政院審查中有請司法院來表示意見嗎你做的事情你都做了我知道可是我們司法院不理你啦 |
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國務院長 你要不要去協調一下司法院跟行政院是不是不聯絡這件事情呢我們這個有修法 我們是修法的方向我們要參考德國的立法例來做一個處理我要問院長報告委員 我們包括這個保護被害人我要說的是 行政院跟司法院要不要聯絡要不要溝通再來修 立法院再幫你通過 然後司法院照樣不判 |
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我都還沒講完保護被害人以及陳少共犯幾個案子當中你要不要跟司法院溝通我說我們這個都會積極跟司法院在判當中會積極跟司法院溝通就不會發生這種事我給你個時間現在是8月5號下個會期開議前你可以把法案審過來嗎審查完之後我們就會送到司法院要什麼時候送到立法院來 |
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審查他必須 打詐要打真的啦 今天這個專報完了之後你法院還是這樣子辦 你撐什麼詐下個會期送過來可以嗎 當然是要打真的 你我都可能受害我們旁邊的記者都可能受害 下個會期可以送來吧 |
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我們現在已經在 九月份可以送來吧九月份 下個會期我覺得應該是 一定可以送來院長這很重要你的懲詐就在這裡面我現在給你看的影片喔時間暫定我要放影片 前一頁我現在要給院長看影片喔 謝謝二十六個備案 |
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他是一個車手他交保了他出來教人家怎麼詐騙他在假釋 |
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他說拿著他的判決書去在騙集團又會百分之百被錄取真的假的你看你這個判決書這麼多 |
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好 請切掉院長 這是詐騙犯詐騙犯這麼囂張出來之後在假釋期間還可以拍這種影片然後告訴大家說他的判決書就是他的履歷表這在台灣 看到這個人也很年輕現在台灣的年輕人可能認為詐騙集團很光榮啊 |
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現在才是這個問題我想這個是很可惡的一個行為很可怕很可惡這個假釋犯你查出來好不好這個沒要求具體這個個案查出來有沒有這樣的事情這個個案查出來這個在假釋的人請部長把這個個案要找出來這樣的行為如果還放在社會上讓他犯罪不應該這個先處理吧我們未來針對被害人的保護以及 |
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具體的酋刑乃至於考慮到未來這些人的禁舍令我們都是在修法的概念當中趕快進來吧我們趕快幫你修法不要再等了吧一年了成效如果只有這樣的話還有這麼一個影片的話我是覺得成效真的很不好下一個接下來是這是第一個今天大家都在談數字大家就看一下 |
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這個數字剛剛部長一直說這是統計方法的問題我同意統計方法有問題不過這叫做之前都在當遮羞布遮羞布掀開之後所有的金額出來就不一樣這個原來統計數字是以警方做初步調查之後才裁的一個數字現在是一個報案的一個數字我同意本來就應該這樣 |
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之前就是在那邊遮羞吃案所以這個不能講說遮羞吃案這個反正就是我的意思是說之前就是故意不報現在就是按照被害人說的算不是這樣的接下來院長你看到這個數字還是觸目驚心第一個你們的數字我不知道我這個是我們從打債儀表板8月份的統計數字2024年到502億12.2萬件現在2025年1到7月就566億 |
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你剛剛說的下降我同意可能他逐步在下降但是統計起來還是很可怕而且我跟委員報告因為整個一個詐團的一個詐欺的形態的一個改變以前是電話詐欺所以那個金額比較現在的件數其實是有在下降的件數小這也是一個投資的一個詐欺所以他那個數額會比較高 |
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所以不要再自有感覺良好它是在增加所以我現在在跟院長說我們要有數字概念沒有錯我同意大家努力的用距離8月的數字這裡是新年7月下降的幅度當然緩慢但趨勢是有的我們會再努力你如果做這麼多事還沒有下降真的是 |
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請尊重一下執勳的委員好嗎 |
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所以这个数字我希望看到的是它逐步的下降不管任何统计方式都不应该有这么大的偏差最严重的是诈骗里面投资诈骗占了多数投资诈骗我看到你们报告是说占了所有诈骗里面23%财产占了64%也就是说金额很高件数不见得最多 |
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但是投資詐騙裡面很多都是所謂的六個月才發現九成五三十天之內一半數所以意思就是說養套殺的狀況很嚴重養套殺是因為他對金融不了解或者是他對現在的金融商品不清楚很容易受到所謂的社群很容易受到所謂的廣告他就受到的影響 |
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所以這個剛剛講了很多的社區軟體要管理第二個我們現在有一大的最大的問題是虛擬資產虛擬資產是金管會的管轄虛擬資產在113年度審計部的總決算的審核報告針對所謂的虛擬資產的管理其實院長虛擬資產你知道現在的進度到哪裡了嗎 |
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我們要用工會來管理所以虛擬資產它有一個專法也一樣送進去行政院了請問什麼時候要送來立法院是我們6月27號送進院院裡面由政務委員已經開始在審查已經開過會議院長你可以去催啊 快一點啊 |
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為什麼大家都不知道在台灣買哪些業者是合法的搞不清楚狀況每天都被人家騙可以趕快讓專法進來讓所有願意在台灣落地合法的業者能夠盡快的讓他們納入管理讓所有的民眾知道我要去哪裡買虛擬資產不是現在到處被人家亂騙一通啊 |
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金管會六月就進來了所以院長下個會期送來吧快吧快馬加鞭案子都在我就在等院長講了在你桌上你就趕快和啊只要趕快送到你桌上你來吹啊現在已經在那個審查中了他們都送了啦就是你們行政院我不知道啦動作慢半拍還是怎樣打詐是所有你的施政裡面我認為最急要的 |
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而且都有法案只是還沒有送到院長桌上接下來是剛剛講的打詐成效神器部院長你覺得我們接下來還可以改善什麼打詐的成效神器部其實有講過你覺得現在還可以改善的是哪些 |
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我覺得還是要從剛剛委員有提到懲詐後端就被害人的保護這方面應該再加強是第二個我剛才說審計部他其實說過了他說其實最嚴重的是我們165人力不穩定 |
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第二個沒有建立打炸成效的量化指標現在好像建立了第三個是165的量能不足去每年仍然有將近5萬通電話就被漏接了所以院長165可能是一個需要改進的地方 |
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那我會跟內政部跟165專線來檢討是 人力不足漏接電話造成了後端沒有辦法懲詐我們用AI的方式來盡量能不能技術的導入這個可能要快再接下來一個是院長剛剛也看到大家都說了我們發生台中豐原的五口的命案不管他們的原因是什麼他最嚴重的是他們求助我們走投無路 家破人亡 |
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這是台灣人最深切的悲哀為什麼他們沒有辦法得到幫助找不到人協助甚至好走上絕路我想這個是一個很嚴重的另外一個就是他們碰到了更嚴重的是剛剛講你剛講地震拿房子去抵押炸團還幫他介紹金主去貸款在借永無止盡的借今天另外一個問題叫做融資公司 |
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融資公司已經成為詐騙集團的共犯甚至有一些當鋪有一些相關的人他都變成跟詐騙集團說你們來借他錢繼續被我騙然後因為你是善良的第三人你借他錢你沒事啊 |
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所以現在的融資公司一樣經管會我們在立法院也提了融資公司專法然後監察院在114年的4月就告訴大家監察院認為說現在公股銀行融資給這些所謂的民營的註定公司是有問題的第二個是 接下去是行政院應該要有專法院長 這件事情你知道嗎 |
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是 我們也在往這個方向在做經管會一直努力 也時常跟我做說明現在經管會只管大不管小啦當然 主委很幫忙已經納入經保法我們是逐步納管啦接下來主委我還是要講院長這件事情可能也是跟打詐有關如果融資公司我要先講馬來西亞在7月份通過了他們的轉法馬來西亞針對非銀行的借貸業者全部納入管理而且有監管條例 |
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這是臺灣可以學習可以接近的可以嗎要納入你的打詐的長期的目標我們不僅跨境打擊合作我們也希望吸取更多的國際好的經驗最後我覺得政府的資訊公開是人民比較不會受到詐騙的重要的關鍵包括一萬塊包括這些資訊都要完整的揭露好嗎 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝黃珊珊委員之間謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |