| IVOD_ID |
163503 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163503 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-14T11:29:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-14T11:46:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ced7f9f61571ec9784c6ea33fa3b95260cbfb79a6da4e5ccad52e77be0dc9cf52f4ff4b236371f65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:38 - 11:46:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、經濟部次長、財政部次長、農業部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表報告「因應台美關稅及國際局勢變化台美關係互動情形，暨俄烏戰事與以哈衝突外交援助概況」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請外交部部長請假是不是OK 好 那就請市長吧然後經貿談判辦公室委員好市長 |
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全體國人都非常支持我們的政府對外拼外交拼到現在這個樣子我發現賴清德政府非常的會做大內宣但是在國際媒體上面最近這段時間是一而再再而三非常不好的消息賴清德是我們的總統 |
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我們支持他 反對他他都是中華民國對外的代表當他受到日本獨賣新聞這麼延遲的批評的時候大家擔心的是台日的關係林全忠我相信他在台灣小有名氣東大非常有名的教授 |
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他直接講什麼他直接講說為什麼獨賣新聞痛批大罷免是要排除在野勢力激進指其為獨裁打壓這不是國內的在野黨批評這已經上了日本獨賣新聞的社論林全中老師也做這樣的批評在國內 |
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我們對於執政黨不負責任去搞大罷免去搞獨裁我們非常的憤怒但問題是現在連丟到國際社會上丟到國際社會上對台灣自由民主的形象造成很大的傷害不是只有獨賣這樣講日本偏左偏右大的媒體全部都這樣說 |
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對我國民主的形象造成重挫這不是你的責任這是賴清德的責任這是賴清德的責任這是賴清德的責任我持續身為在野黨的黨主席我持續等著我們執政黨的主席要怎麼處理這個問題但跟外交部有關係的就是下面這件事 |
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我們的行政官員是覺得台灣的外交處境一片順遂嗎我們的行政官員是覺得台灣外交處境一片順遂嗎跟人家約會結果約了前一天晚上突然不去放人家鴿子人家公開發文痛批啊直接痛批 |
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碰踢完了以後來看看我們行政院官員是什麼嘴臉什麼態度啊他的態度是說啊我那一天之前已經有信件表達歉意了啦然後幾天後他對社群媒體做出截然不同的反應他感到詫異啊外交部認同林明星這樣的態度嗎 |
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我想委員說得很好我們在外交的處境上他們充滿了這個挑戰所以在很多的問題處理上面會非常的一個小心你覺得林明星有處理得很小心嗎我覺得是說就這個我們第一線外交的同仁辛苦的打拼結果從台灣出訪的大使從台灣出訪的政委在放火在放火 |
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很大嗎在台灣耍官威耍習慣了耍到韓國去丟台灣人的臉啊外交部的同仁這麼辛苦在第一線打拼在台北的大官跑去韓國放火外交部覺得林明星這樣子的態度是對的嗎 |
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我們盡力的說明 但是那天的確是發生了這個因為林明星委員 林明星政委必須在這個APEC他主要去韓國是因為APEC這個會議我知道啊 但我覺得很訝異啊自己出國什麼時候要幹什麼事情自己不知道自己出國什麼時候要幹什麼事情自己不知道 |
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臨時更改行程這符合外交部我們在一般出訪作業上面應該有的太樣嗎那我就要檢討啦之前出訪行程在排的時候事前的作業是太輕忽了 太草率了他是以為自己去韓國去觀光旅遊喔 |
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哇 政委應該沒有這樣的一個意圖喔我在跟委員解釋人家都已經公開發文批判了結果他在臉書上 他在講什麼發新聞稿是跟人家對嗆欸欸你們不是說沒關係了哇 現在又在臉書上面罵我我感到詫異這個 你覺得是我們在做外交的時候應該有的態度嗎應該有這種態度嗎 |
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這所有的這個相關的牽涉到外交活動的人員那我們都會外交部本於職責都會做一個相關的這個提醒所以你們有提醒林明鑫是不是對於這個事情的話我們對不起喔請你回答問題我不是聽你來演講的剛剛你說對於所有從事外交的同仁你們都會去提醒嗎所以外交部有沒有提醒林明鑫 |
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有提醒李明鑫嗎我們還是尊重這個政委他的對於這個東西的你們尊重他是他有尊重台灣人民嗎我想這個台灣人的臉丟到國際社會上去啦我想這個對於個案我們有盡力去做溝通對嘛這個就是我下一頁要跟你講的嘛我們的職業外交官邱高偉大使幫民進黨傲慢無禮的政客出去插屁股 |
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大使很辛苦 我知道柔子不是他捅的他去盜竊去擦屁股結果那個韓國的委員長後來講後來講什麼來 我帶次長看國際關係就是這樣 |
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不只是國與國的事私人之間也是如此履行約定是理所當然的事做錯了事不論對象是誰都應該盡快道歉才是正常如果不道歉反而持續反覆的重蹈錯誤還用藉口或謊言來合理化那無論公司都會導致個人人格遭受否定與崩壞 |
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接受了道歉 還做了這樣的發言從外交關係上面來講 次長你覺得嚴不嚴重 |
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我們盡力的維持我們台韓之間的良好的友誼那我們也看到說其實台灣跟韓國之間的關係最近有一些好的正向的一個發展那我們這個在外交部裡面所有的同仁都會珍惜這樣得來不易的這樣的一個外交的關係所以在每一件事情的處理上面我們都會一百二十分的努力讓他能夠外交部的同仁啊 很辛苦 |
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我都知道這是因為我知道外交部的同仁很辛苦所以我今天才會提這個質詢台灣傲慢無禮的政客跑去韓國殺野我們的職業外交官在幫忙擦屁股結果人家接受的道歉是接受看在我們派去那邊代表的份上不關他的事還是他來道歉 |
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結果接受了我們那邊大使的道歉以後人家寫的這段話在講誰你知道嗎任何的嗜讀能力的人都知道不道歉還持續反覆的重蹈錯誤還用藉口或謊言來合理化講的不就是李明欣嗎另外一個嚴重的事情韓國的民族日報 |
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說前情報司令官緊急戒嚴前來台灣尋求支持我們總統府馬上駁斥無中生有要求更正 更正了嗎那我們會努力讓韓國對於這樣的一個不實消息能夠有比較正確的一個認識第一個 我們大使館有沒有表達抗議 |
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有去說明啦 那但是說對於這個不是說明啦 抗議啊假訊息啊亂寫啊我們台灣怎麼可能會支持戒嚴當初他宣布戒嚴的時候 民進黨立法院黨團發的那個是小編的錯誤啊不代表民進黨的立場啊推給小編啊在國內很會啊那問題是人家的 |
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民族日報寫的這個東西怎麼會去說明軟趴趴的直接抗議假訊息台灣怎麼會挺戒嚴有去抗議嗎我們已經跟韓國的相關媒體有做溝通了他們也同意在他們的相對應的版面上面有嗎我們請我們的亞太司的司長來做回答 |
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報告委員 這個第一時間我們就已經把總統府發言人的這個聲明發送到駐韓國 請駐韓國代表處是 民族日報有更正嗎民族日報有答應說要在這個相關的媒體上會再露出那我們還在繼續民族日報他自己就是媒體啊什麼叫做相關的媒體要露出我聽不懂啊他說他有承諾說會在媒體上再露出那他已經接到我們的訊息什麼時候出來 |
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這個我們還會再請助書這邊再去了解沒關係喔 拜託大家要注意密切注意 一定民族日報一出更正的消息馬上把他更正的消息 副本到我辦公室可以嗎 沒問題好 接下來我們現在還是台美關係最好的年代嗎 |
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這個是林佳龍講的啊 來來來看著PPT看著PPT我質詢都是由左本的這不是我說的2024年的時候林佳龍說現在是台美關係最好的年代嘛你們認為現在還是最好的年代嗎 |
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我們在外交部的立場是說其實我們一直維持台美關係的平順的運作那麼就現在到目前為止不會啊 你們當初的大內宣不是這樣寫的啊你們當初的大內宣寫現在是台美關係最好的年代啊但是這是去年寫的嘛那今年2025年了嘛從2024年到2025年從外交部的立場現在是台美關係最好的年代嗎 |
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我能夠跟委員報告現在台美關係堅若磐石是嗎 堅若磐石最好的年代因為這些形容詞我從你們外交部官方的報告跟指令我通通都看過了是 委員明察秋毫 |
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現在我跟委員報告說台美的關係仍然非常的融洽但是我們的確要思考到一個事情就是說因為川普總統1月20號就任以來那麼他以這個打消美國的這個貿易赤字為首要的一個任務 |
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雖然上面一定會有一些hard bargain但是我們的了解是說我們客戶個人管道其實在其他的議題上沒有關係啊 關稅是一回事牽涉到利益啦我們開始也慢慢理解到了啦有的時候你抽象的談價值人家在意的是價格國際社會的現實大家都了解那但是現在問題是什麼問題是賴清德總統從去年520上任 |
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出訪有過境過美國本土嗎沒有哪一個總統出訪哪一個總統就任一年多都還沒有過境美國本土的經歷有嗎有嗎過去歷任總統哪一個就任一年多都還竟然有沒有過境美國本土的 |
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第一年的時候第一年蔡英文就有啦不是嗎馬總統的馬先總統的時代我們還在查一下這個陳前總統的時代我這樣講啦在國內啊討論這些事情心情是很沉重心情很沉重啊希望你們加油啊有一些啊我們美國的友人這篇文章你應該看過了是 |
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當然有一些我們美國的友人覺得他的批評太hush有一些人的確是這樣認為但是他的確點出了我們在進行外交工作的時候該注意的一些盲點因為我查過這個人的背景他一直支持台灣從過去到現在一直支持台灣當一個一直支持台灣的美國友人提出這麼嚴厲的批評的時候 |
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我們真的要冷靜的好好想一想過去這段時間到底做錯了哪些事啊主席站起來啦 我其實後面還有很多問題啊 |
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但是今天部長也不在你次長也難為我不要為難你我剩的問題等到下一次你交通的時候來再請教他好 謝謝請容我一分鐘回答那麼當然這是一個台灣的非常好的一個友人他的一個建議我們把它看成是正有然後我們一定會相關他第二篇文章裡面對於台灣提的很多的這個建議那我只能夠跟委員報告 |
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跟在座的這個主席報告我們一定都聽進去一定會既然你要延續下去那我就問最後一個問題就好了我們還是每個月六萬塊請那家顧問公司現在還持續嗎六萬塊請哪一家顧問公司我上面就寫啦BALA PARTNER 對對BALA這個現在還持續嗎委員都可以看得到是現在還持續嗎我們現在還持續啊你覺得是找他是對的嗎 |
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這個我們會在年度的時候再做重新檢討喔所以你們當初跟他簽約簽多久我們簽約簽多久6個月簽6個月嘛所以不管怎麼樣6個月要跑完嘛對我們36萬美金丟了就算丟了嘛人家是我們的好友跟我們講啦要拍馬屁拍到馬腿上啦 |
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我講的比較直白是這樣啦我也沒怪你們說當初怎麼會這樣找資訊蒐集不夠共和黨內部的狀況沒有掌握清楚找到這一家結果拍馬屁拍到馬腿上最起碼我們在美國的友人是這樣善意提醒我們嘛好 謝謝謝謝我們委員都會綜合考量再重新謝謝王國昌的 |
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黃委員國昌：（11時29分）謝謝主席，有請外交部。部長請假是不是？ |
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主席：對，10點半之後。 |
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陳次長明祺：委員好。 |
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黃委員國昌：次長好。全體國人都非常支持我們的政府對外拼外交，拼到現在這個樣子，我發現賴清德政府非常會做大內宣，但是在國際媒體上面，最近這段時間一而再、再而三地出現非常不好的消息。賴清德是我們的總統，我們支持他、反對他，他都是中華民國對外的代表。 |
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陳次長明祺：是！ |
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黃委員國昌：當他受到日本讀賣新聞這麼嚴詞批評的時候，大家擔心的是臺日的關係，我相信林泉忠在臺灣小有名氣，他是東大非常有名的教授，可是他直接講什麼？他直接說為什麼讀賣新聞痛批大罷免是要排除在野勢力，幾近指其為獨裁打壓。這不是國內的在野黨批評的，這已經上了日本讀賣新聞的社論。林泉忠老師也做了這樣的批評。 |
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在國內，我們對於執政黨不負責任去搞大罷免、去搞獨裁感到非常憤怒，但問題是，現在臉丟到國際社會上，對臺灣自由民主的形象造成很大的傷害。不是只有讀賣新聞這樣講，日本偏左、偏右大的媒體全部都這樣說，對我國民主的形象造成重挫。這不是你的責任，這是賴清德的責任！這是賴清德的責任！這是賴清德的責任！我身為在野黨的黨主席，我持續等著執政黨的主席要怎麼處理這個問題。 |
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但跟外交部有關係的就是下面這件事：我們的行政官員是覺得臺灣的外交處境一片順遂嗎？我們的行政官員是覺得臺灣的外交處境一片順遂嗎？跟人家約會，約好了，結果前一天晚上突然不去，放人家鴿子，人家公開發文直接痛批，痛批完了以後，來看看我們行政院官員是什麼嘴臉、什麼態度啊？他的態度是：之前已經有以信件表達諒解，然後幾天後，委員長又在社群媒體做出截然不同的反應，他感到詫異。外交部認同林明昕這樣的態度嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：委員說得很好，我們在外交處境上，當然是充滿了挑戰，所以在很多問題的處理上會非常小心，但也跟委員…… |
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黃委員國昌：你覺得林明昕有處理得很小心嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我覺得就林政委…… |
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黃委員國昌：第一線的外交同仁辛苦打拚，結果從臺灣出訪的政委在放火，官很大嗎？在臺灣耍官威耍習慣了，耍到韓國去，丟臺灣人的臉啊！外交部同仁這麼辛苦，在第一線打拚，在臺北的大官跑去韓國放火，外交部覺得林明昕這樣的態度是對的嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們盡力的說明，但那天的確發生了這個……因為林明昕政委主要去韓國是因為APEC會議…… |
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黃委員國昌：我知道啊！但我覺得很訝異啊！自己出國什麼時候要幹什麼事情，自己不知道？自己出國什麼時候要幹什麼事情，自己不知道？臨時更改行程，這符合外交部一般出訪作業上應該有的態樣嗎？如果是這樣，就要檢討出訪行程的安排上，事前的作業太輕忽、太草率了！他是以為自己去韓國觀光旅遊喔？ |
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陳次長明祺：政委應該沒有這樣的意圖，我再跟委員解釋…… |
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黃委員國昌：人家都已經公開發文批判了，結果他在臉書上講什麼？發新聞稿跟人家對嗆，說什麼：你們不是說沒關係了，現在又在臉書上罵我，我感到詫異！這個你覺得是我們在做外交時應該有的態度嗎？應該有這種態度嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：所有牽涉到外交活動的相關人員，外交部本於職責，都會做一個相關的提醒，那麼這個…… |
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黃委員國昌：所以你們有提醒林明昕，是不是？ |
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陳次長明祺：對於這個事情，我們…… |
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黃委員國昌：對不起，請你回答問題，我不是來聽你演講的，剛剛你說對於所有從事外交的同仁，你們都會去提醒，所以外交部有沒有提醒林明昕？ |
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陳次長明祺：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：有提醒林明昕嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們還是尊重政委對於這個東西的…… |
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黃委員國昌：你們尊重他？ |
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陳次長明祺：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：他有尊重臺灣人民嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我想這個政委…… |
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黃委員國昌：他把臺灣人的臉丟到國際社會上去啦！ |
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陳次長明祺：對於個案我們有盡力去做溝通。 |
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黃委員國昌：對嘛！這就是下一頁我要跟你講的嘛！我們的職業外交官丘高偉大使幫民進黨傲慢無禮的政客擦屁股，大使很辛苦我知道，簍子不是他捅的，他去道歉、去擦屁股，結果那個韓國的委員長後來講什麼？來！我帶次長看：「國際關係就是這樣。不只是國與國之間，私人之間也是如此。履行約定是理所當然的事，做錯了事，不論對象是誰，都應該儘快道歉才是正常。如果不道歉，反而持續、反覆地重蹈錯誤，還用藉口或謊言來合理化，那麼無論公私，都會導致人格遭受否定與崩壞。」接受了道歉，還做了這樣的發言，從外交關係上來講，次長，你覺得嚴不嚴重？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們盡力維持臺、韓之間的良好友誼，我們也看到其實臺灣跟韓國之間的關係最近有一些好的、正向的發展，我們外交部所有同仁都會珍惜這樣得來不易的外交關係，所以在每一件事情的處理上，我們都會盡一百二十分的努力，讓它能夠…… |
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黃委員國昌：外交部同仁很辛苦，我都知道，就是因為我知道外交部同仁很辛苦…… |
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陳次長明祺：謝謝委員。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以我今天才會提這個質詢…… |
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陳次長明祺：謝謝。 |
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黃委員國昌：臺灣傲慢無禮的政客跑去韓國撒野，我們的職業外交官要幫忙擦屁股，結果人家接受了道歉，是看在我們派去那邊的代表的分上，不關他的事，他還來道歉，結果接受了我們那邊大使的道歉以後，人家寫了這段話來講誰，你知道嗎？任何有識讀能力的人都知道，「不道歉，反而持續、反覆地重蹈錯誤，還用藉口或謊言來合理化」，講的不就是林明昕嗎？ |
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另外一個嚴重的事情，韓國民族日報報導，前情報司令官緊急戒嚴前來臺灣尋求支持。我們的總統府馬上駁斥：無中生有，要求更正。請問更正了嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們會努力讓韓國對於這樣一個不實的消息，可以有一個比較正確的認識。 |
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黃委員國昌：來，第一個，我們大使館有表達抗議嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：有去說明，但是對於這個…… |
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黃委員國昌：不是說明啦！要抗議啊！假訊息啊！亂寫啊！我們臺灣怎麼可能會支持戒嚴？當初他宣布戒嚴的時候，民進黨立法院黨團發的文，那個是小編的錯誤，不代表民進黨的立場，推給小編，這國內很會啊！問題是人家的民族日報寫了這個東西，怎麼會去說明？軟趴趴的，直接抗議啊！假訊息啊！臺灣怎麼會挺戒嚴？有去抗議嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們已經跟韓國相關媒體做過溝通，他們也同意在他們相對應的版面上呈現出我方的…… |
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黃委員國昌：有嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：有。我請亞太司副司長回答。 |
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林副司長宏勳：報告委員，第一時間我們就已經把總統府發言人的聲明發送到韓國，請駐韓國代表處…… |
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黃委員國昌：不是，民族日報有更正嗎？ |
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林副司長宏勳：韓國民族日報有答應要在相關媒體上再露出，我們還再繼續追蹤…… |
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黃委員國昌：民族日報自己就是媒體啊！什麼叫做相關媒體要露出？我聽不懂。 |
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林副司長宏勳：他有承諾會在媒體上再露出…… |
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黃委員國昌：什麼時候？ |
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林副司長宏勳：他已經接到我們的訊息。 |
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黃委員國昌：什麼時候會出來？ |
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林副司長宏勳：這個我們還會請駐處再去了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：沒關係啦！拜託外交部密切注意…… |
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陳次長明祺：是，一定。 |
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黃委員國昌：民族日報一出更正消息，馬上把他們更正的消息副本送到我辦公室，可以嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：沒問題。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，接下來，請問我們現在還是台美關係最好的年代嗎？這是林佳龍講的，來！來！看著PPT，我質詢都是有所本的，這不是我說的，2024年的時候，林佳龍說現在是台美關係最好的年代，你們認為現在還是最好的年代嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：外交部的立場，其實一直是維持台美關係的平順運作，到目前為止…… |
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黃委員國昌：不會啊！你們當初的大內宣不是這樣寫的啊！你們當初的大內宣寫說現在是台美關係最好的年代，但這是去年寫的，今年2025年了，從2024年到2025年，就外交部的立場，現在是台美關係最好的年代嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我能夠跟委員報告的是，現在台美關係…… |
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黃委員國昌：堅若磐石，是嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：嗯？ |
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黃委員國昌：堅若磐石、最好的年代，這些形容詞，我從你們外交部官方的報告跟辭令通通都看過了。 |
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陳次長明祺：是，委員明察秋毫，現在我跟委員報告，台美關係仍然非常融洽，但是我們的確要思考到一個事情，因為川普總統1月20號就任以來，他以打消美國貿易赤字為首要任務，所以在這上面一定會有一些hard bargain，但是我們了解的是，我們透過各種管道，其實在其他議題上…… |
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黃委員國昌：沒有關係，關稅是一回事，這牽涉到利益，我們開始也慢慢理解到，有時候你抽象的談價值，人家在意的是價格，國際社會的現實大家都了解。 |
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陳次長明祺：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：但是現在問題是什麼？問題是賴清德總統從去年520上任，出訪有過境過美國本土嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：沒有。 |
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黃委員國昌：哪一個總統就任一年多出訪都還沒有過境美國本土的經歷？有嗎？有嗎？過去歷任總統哪一個就任一年多，竟然有未過境美國本土的？ |
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陳次長明祺：第一年的時候…… |
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黃委員國昌：第一年蔡英文就有啦！不是嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：馬前總統的時代我們還要再查一下，還有陳前總統的時代…… |
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黃委員國昌：我這樣講啦！在國內討論這件事情，心情是很沉重。 |
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陳次長明祺：是，了解。 |
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黃委員國昌：希望你們加油！ |
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陳次長明祺：謝謝。 |
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黃委員國昌：有一些我們美國的友人……這篇文章你應該看過。 |
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陳次長明祺：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：當然有一些我們美國的友人覺得他的批評太harsh，有一些人的確是這樣認為，但是他的確點出了我們在進行外交工作的時候該注意的一些盲點，因為我查過這個人的背景，他是一直支持臺灣！ |
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陳次長明祺：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：從過去到現在一直支持臺灣。當一個一直支持臺灣的美國友人提出這麼嚴厲的批評的時候，我們真的要冷靜地好好想一想。 |
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陳次長明祺：一定。 |
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黃委員國昌：過去這段時間到底做錯了哪些事？主席站起來了，我其實後面還有很多問題，但是今天部長也不在，你次長也難為，我不要為難你，我剩下的問題等到下一次林佳龍來的時候再請教他，謝謝。 |
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陳次長明祺：請容我1分鐘回答，當然這是一個臺灣非常好的友人，他的一個建議，我們把他看成是諍友，然後我們一定會……在第二篇文章裡面，他對臺灣提了很多建議，我只能夠跟委員報告、跟在座的主席報告，我們一定都聽進去，一定會…… |
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黃委員國昌：既然你要延續下去，那我就問最後一個問題就好了，我們還是每個月6萬塊請那家顧問公司，現在還持續嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：6萬塊請哪一家顧問公司？ |
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黃委員國昌：我上面就寫啦，Ballard Partners。 |
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陳次長明祺：對，這個…… |
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黃委員國昌：現在還持續嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：委員都可以看得到…… |
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黃委員國昌：現在還持續嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：我們現在還持續。 |
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黃委員國昌：你覺得找它是對的嗎？ |
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陳次長明祺：這個我們會在年度的時候重新檢討。 |
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黃委員國昌：所以你們當初跟它簽約簽多久？ |
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陳次長明祺：6個月。 |
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黃委員國昌：簽6個月，所以不管怎麼樣，6個月要跑完。 |
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陳次長明祺：對。 |
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黃委員國昌：36萬美金丟了就算丟了嘛！我們的好友跟我們講了，要拍馬屁拍到馬腿上，我講得比較直白是這樣，我也沒怪你們，說當初怎麼會這樣找？資訊蒐集不夠、共和黨內部的狀況沒有掌握清楚，找到這一家，結果拍馬屁拍到馬腿上，最起碼我們在美國的友人是這樣善意提醒我們嘛！謝謝。 |
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陳次長明祺：謝謝。委員，我們都會綜合考量，再重新review。 |
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主席：謝謝黃國昌的質詢。 |
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接下來由陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。 |
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46 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-3-35-25 |
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黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
林憶君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
蘇清泉 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-08-14 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1147301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1147301_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請外交部部長、經濟部次長、財政部次長、農業部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表
報告「因應台美關稅及國際局勢變化台美關係互動情形，暨俄烏戰事與以哈衝突外交援助概
況」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1147301_00001 |