| IVOD_ID |
163502 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163502 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-14T11:19:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-14T11:38:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ced7f9f61571ec9c79fdab6bcd1819dbce7d2d90249eb2fcad52e77be0dc9cf0ed430b54b12589a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:38 - 11:38:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、經濟部、財政部就「美國針對進口藥品、原料藥課稅對我國產業造成影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席是不是來請我們邱部長委員好部長千戶萬患使出來你們的所謂的狼醫的平台的建制本來是要為了這個強化民眾的知情權和保障病人的這個安全結果千戶萬患使出來面紗一揭開 |
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這就是在對立法院虛擬委員有做到好啊 做高台的唐瑟敷衍我們這些立委唐瑟敷衍我們這個社會那先行的制度啊他只揭露目前為止只揭露112年以後性平判決確定的案件這樣的標準真的能夠回應社會大眾的擔憂嗎 |
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我要再講你們醫事司的司長強硬的表示他只這樣子做你看都不用來 現在出名的都是副司長發言現在是醫事司都沒有司長啊是不是還是他長大都不用出來 密碟保證後面還是聽說密碟司署長後面署長你謙遜的啊 你謙遜的啊 很大的 |
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我現在舉幾個例子你們認為嚴不嚴重但我要再問你們這幾個案子都在現行的制度裡面平台裡面都不會被揭露第一個案子喔 |
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你知道他為什麼不會被揭露嗎 |
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跟委員做報告 他不是不會被揭露是我們有一部分的資料還是要跟司法院去揭所以是資料會再加上 我要叫你保定回答判決確定了 109年就判決確定了 |
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我們不好意思 報告委員齁我們第一個階段先把112年性平三法開始實行以後的的一個啊112年以前要多久要多久對啊 您現在先公佈112年以後的判決啊以前的要多久 要花多久時間這些東西這麼困難嗎要多久 |
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回答不出來 我們現在現階段先我知道啊 如果說大家的意見要所以嘛 我的講不會被揭露 因為問你112年以前的要多久會被揭露 你回答不出來你說我們不是不做 是未來要做 那未來是要多久的時間以後才會做你回答不出來 啊這不是在給我們爭笑的嗎 |
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我們總是要有一個一個開始的時程對啊那我問你的期程規劃112年以前的要花多久時間啊我們目前當然是先規劃112年剩平 主席我告訴你這時間暫停 |
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他的答非所問 112年以前判決的他的規劃的期程要花多久時間他會讓大家都可以查詢的出來他還在講112年以後還在講112年目前 |
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我再問他 要花多少的時間他會輸定不來 補定不知道你整個制度是在規約什麼你沒辦法回答得出來我們一直都有規約在討論而且我們親自主持啦那112年以前的 到底要追溯到多久不是追溯到多久 是多久 你要準備多久才能夠讓我們可以完整的查詢你會補充嗎 |
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跟委員報告 事實上我們前段的做法是你昨天為什麼都不來 都要靠你靠我演對外發言也是都靠你 是怎麼樣呃 劉市長一直有在處理這個事情我現在看到媒體上發言也不是他 已經很多次了都不是他 到立法院也不來昨天有來啦 昨天公聽會有來啦昨天公聽會有來 今天有立委要質詢的就不來昨天沒有立委質詢他的就來啦 |
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哎呀 不要這樣子護航啦博電你能耐就好了 你叫很多醫事團體都出來跟你聲援繼續留任啊 連建築師公會都出來聲援啦建築師公會都出來聲援啦 叫一個書長來 叫不來喔好啦 我覺得現在事情又很多 我跟你 台北廖姓郎一 另外一個姓平案件喔 他 |
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我們主張不應該只有局限於對病人也應該包含職場教學之便的這個範圍台北廖姓郎醫在今年有一個廖姓郎醫對護理師性騷擾114年判刑定讞請問他會不會被揭露 |
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會不會 今年剛定業不會對病 跟委員報告目前在資訊專區所揭露的不管是對病人對住院醫師還有對其他團隊的成員只要有犯這樣的罪都會把他做揭露 |
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你們的說明裡面沒有喔你們現在只有侷限在對病人喔對於同事對於職場教學之便的範圍的沒有納入規範喔你不是在這裡生氣嗎你們的內容你們揭露的範圍不在裡面喔好我想鮑偉我想那個內容的充實以及那個掌握度我想我們會一直在加強 |
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柏中你現在在說什麼 我都聽不懂 還有呢我再講幾個 再講四個不會被揭露的已經懲處決議或調查已經確認了 但沒有進入司法程序第一個 新北的陳姓郎一 109年利用植物之變在整間幼島變幻發生關係事後還改姓名 |
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111年遭懲戒現在跨縣市職業還擔任醫院裡的主管職他不會被揭露啊因為沒有當事人沒有告他沒有判沒有刑事訴訟啊這也不會被揭露跨縣市還擔任主管職你覺得這個要讓大家知道嗎 |
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下一階段就是有懲戒被懲戒處分的資料我們也會做好來下一階段是什麼時候我現在就是要聽你下一階段沒有啦我現在不要聽你不要轉移焦點副司長說下一個階段你們連懲戒都要可以被查詢那下一個階段是多久以後你來告訴我 |
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不可以在這裡騙立委啊當初立委很好分立委都亂說很好騙下一階段是多久 |
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報告委員 因為我們網路已經建立了嘛那個的確是突破性啦 這個請委員要肯定一下什麼突破性 我給你1月2月在野黨提案我們一直諮詢 我已經諮詢這個第4次了第4次啦我們也跟司法院 有聯繫司法院也因為都一直沒有給我們回應所以我們只好用 有一點用人工方式一直在蒐集你們 |
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我們懲戒紀錄是在地方政府就有的懲戒紀錄跟司法院無關這是行政調查 行政懲戒懲戒紀錄要在地方 它每個格式或者任務都不太一樣格式不一樣 那我問你 我要叫你立即馬上嗎已經諮詢了三個月 四個月 五個月了你到底要花多久的時間 你就告訴我我們不要一拖再拖又拖 |
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我跟大家報告 還是要報告一下現況嘛 現況就是各個地方 現在這種 他們要給一個標準的格式你不要用技術面來講 我都不愛聽 我今天問你你認為要多久的時間 你說要一年就一年 半年就半年你告訴我一個答案 告訴全國的人民 |
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要多久我們醫事師認得他的在技術方面我要是能夠隨時公佈我明天也公佈也沒關係沒關係啦 我問你愛老公 我有你時間啦 |
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但是我要看那個實際上他們在沒有啦 你跟我說要多久啦意思是認為半年內可以來完成半年內你來告訴我有懲戒紀錄的也會被揭露也可以查詢出來那改了名字的還有跨縣市職業的那一些你們原來醫事系統查詢的會不會改善要多久時間改善我已經質詢到四本了 |
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因為他改名字以後是不是我們能夠找到這個我就不敢講但是不管他跨縣市他還是留有紀錄啊那些紀錄就會上去啦你們的醫事查詢系統查不到啦我現在是在說你們的醫事查詢系統 |
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我講資訊在四邊 你現在都聽不懂我問你 高雄曾姓郎一 趁診療機會取得變換聯絡資訊進行性騷擾然後114年遭懲戒停業兩個月 現在還在職業桃園高姓郎一 110年診療時藉著甲狀腺問題影響性荷爾蒙為由對變換進行內診還趁機性侵強吻 |
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直到護理師進來才停止112年這麼嚴重當時沒有進行刑事訴訟但112年遭懲戒到目前沒有定業有訴訟但沒有定業還在職業當中 |
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第四個台中陳姓郎一113到144年之間多次假借看診名義 習胸摸腿他們地方政府認定為性騷擾成立但是還沒有懲戒記錄 |
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我現在說的是什麼你們現行的揭露的機制的漏洞112年以前的目前還查不到只有懲處記錄的沒有辦法查得到調查台中市政府調查確認了也沒有公佈案件尚未定業的都可能因為系統限制而不被揭露而你們說還要再準備半年我很擔心你半年之後 |
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還是沒有辦法做好但是這些案子並不會沒有揭露而不存在這種案件通常會牽涉到權勢的壓力還有心理的創傷很多甚至我講了他沒有辦法進入訴訟程序因為很多不敢講嘛然後加上醫生換了名字的跨縣市職業的 |
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你的醫事查詢系統根本就查不出來你公告在你的人醫平台但人醫平台在改名字了他換的地方職業了在你的醫事查詢系統 |
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差不出來 你沒有整合所以你讓一般病患要辨識狼醫他的困難度很高反而變成了不良醫師的保護傘因為你公告狼醫叫陳某某你到醫師查詢系統 又改名字了 |
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所以我真的跟你說第四遍第五遍我不知道要說幾遍判決不是唯一認定違反醫療倫理的標準你們這樣子你們 |
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你們目前的做委員 其實是真的大家需要委員我們你對醫事專業團體 不是行政人員調查的是醫事專業團體 他們所做的這個地方政府做的調查醫事團體做的決策和決議 |
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案例調查跟他們的醫治團體專業你們信任度不足嗎違反醫療倫理的也不是只限於性平案件倒刷健保卡 僱用密醫使用非法的療法等等都嚴重的破壞醫病的信任這一些難道我們病患沒有知情權嗎 |
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所以我們在這裡再一次呼籲揭露所有的判決書和懲戒紀錄也不限於性平案件和時間範圍而且你再講剛剛講了六個月六個月要確保我們下次查詢資訊可追溯可查驗還有第三個你的醫師查詢平台跟你的狼醫公告平台改名了跨縣市人你不整合在一起 |
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現在又逍遙法外 你的查詢系統又變成狼醫的護身符這樣要怎麼做 |
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委員所執行的我們一定都會去重視跟改善請放心那個我們剛剛所提的你的質疑我們一定都會去不是啦我不要聽到你重視跟改善那第二個就是說我們關於說是不是在調查期間能夠停止這個我們在8月下旬我有講到調查期間停職嗎會我有講到這句話嗎 |
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沒有就是說我是說我們在做一些可能過去大家我沒有講到這個欸我告訴你就舉了法務部的律師查詢系統那麼簡單你根本要跟整合你的醫事查詢系統跟你的人醫整個平台整合在一起像法務部的律師查詢系統 |
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查詢出來他的懲戒紀錄都有他現在職業狀態他的地址你再加上一個改名他的職業縣市在桃園有職業在新北有職業這樣子會很難嗎為什麼人家法務部做得到你做不到法務院其實都查得到但是有現在全部都查不到你不要胡說八道我的意思就是說人眼都查得到啦 |
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你們衛福部查得到病患人民永遠查不到啦現在都還查不到啦是查得到現在比較多拒絕要暴露他身份的就是護理人員比較多啦我們有一個我不是跟你講了你的類別可以強度不用一樣嘛 |
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你對醫師所要揭露的資訊跟對一個護理師 復健師 驗光師所要揭露的 你去分等級嘛我知道 我知道這這麼簡單的事情 我就不知道你們到底是怎麼想這就沒辦法做了兩者都沒辦法做了我不知道你醫事師的領略是要做什麼我今天來的計算都還沒開始啦老實說 |
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我們針對進口藥品原料的課稅對我國產業造成的影響 老實說一個字都還沒諮詢這件事這麼簡單 我已經說第四遍了啦 第五遍了啦好 我們會繼續把它做得更好半年內 |
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我所質詢的全部都會得到答案嗎不過我還是跟委員報告一下醫師可以提供的資料跟律師其實是不太一樣因為他們的工作性質真的就不太一樣你不要去說這些啦那另外就是說現在要叫你揭露這個人有沒有懲戒紀錄有沒有判刑紀錄他的職業他是在哪個地方職業哪一個縣市職業 |
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1043.377 |
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但是我們要照規定來做啊都尾不合規定啊我問你啊 都尾不合規定啊我剛才說的 都尾不合規定啊要我用個資保護法來說嗎我已經這三遍了 你在上面說沒問題啊現在又開始了 又來揮啊 又來擄 又來翻啊反反覆覆 亦反亦復啊小人心啊亦漲亦退啊 山西水俗語 俗語 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1066.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1089.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
反反覆覆啦 不能這樣啦 這麼簡單的事情還是要多補充就做得出來 多輸充就做得出來補充 你是要輸充娃娃的 就有人會做出來了啦啊啦 沒辦法 沒了補充娃娃的 沒地方就做出來了啦我不知道你的困難是在哪裡 你的困難到底是在哪裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1091.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1120.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
法律工具有限法律有侷限那律師的工具為什麼沒有受限好 我想這個部分那個你要多用一點心啦 我跟你講喔已經第四遍第五遍 再講也不好好啦 今天的主題下一次再諮詢喔因為我再講下去 我想我要避免 他也要避免啦好啦好啦 我們會繼續努力喔謝謝林淑恩委員 |