| IVOD_ID |
163498 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163498 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-14T11:02:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-14T11:19:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ced7f9f61571ec9b0e6adc8c519160ce6bf3365bfe6dc7acad52e77be0dc9cfc2d5238c042452c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:06 - 11:19:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請銓敘部部長、行政院人事行政總處人事長、中央選舉委員會主任委員、法務部廉政署署長、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「政務人員應否及如何遵守行政中立原則、行政機關於選舉罷免期間應為如何之宣導與落實」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）考試院函請審議「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員邱志偉等21人擬具「公務人員考績法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員范雲等17人擬具「公務人員考績法第三條、第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、併案審查（一）委員傅崐萁等25人、（二）委員郭昱晴等18人分別擬具「刑事訴訟法第七十一條及第一百七十五條條文修正草案」案。
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休息五分鐘主席有請考試院秘書長中選會主委以及法務部次長法務部次長 |
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我想請那個請教一下我們的李金勇主委7月26號的罷免投票你知道蔡英文總統在哪裡投票嗎我告訴你好了大安區的建安國小大安區建安國小那為什麼蔡英文總統可以在大安區投票就是他的戶籍在那個地方符合他是大安區的選民嘛對不對有投票權嘛所以就在大安區投票 |
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主委你知道大安區有一類的人他就算是大安區的選民7月26號他沒有辦法投票你知道是哪一類人嗎你知道嗎你如果硬說分類的話那可能有一些特殊的工作他們在投票日是沒有辦法來我想請教我們考試員這個問題你應該會回答 |
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在7月26號有一個特殊的一類的人跟你們考試院有關的他那天沒辦法投票 是誰當天的參加國考的考生答對 什麼國考那一天應該護理師 社工師專業技師的考試 專業證照的考試護理師考試 沒錯吧我想請問 來 請教那個主委我在大安區敗票的時候啦 |
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我遇到一個考生的母親她家有兩個有投票權的考生那天都得去參加護理師考試沒有辦法去投票她覺得沒有辦法接受她覺得沒有辦法接受為什麼她的兩個小孩不能去投票她沒有投票權她說她孩子也不能接受為什麼挑戰那一天要來舉辦罷免的投票 |
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我想請教一下我們的主委 憲法第十七條的規定是什麼人民有選舉罷免創始復決之前非常好 來 我想請教我們的秘書長請問 把罷免投票日放在7月26號 護理師國考的那一天 |
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有沒有侵犯這些考生憲法第17條的罷免之權他的基本權利有沒有侵犯這個我不是秘書長 |
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你是考試院考生的權益是靠你照顧啊對對對所以我們會很堅持就是說第一個我們因為國考我只回頭問你有沒有侵犯他的罷免權我們國考日期都是先訂的嘛所以我們在這過程中也有跟中選會有反映說哪些時候我們有國考非常好我們必須要捍衛他們的這個應考市府公職權你要捍衛他應考市府公職權你要捍衛考生的國家上的權利啊 |
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考生的權利也要捍衛啊民主黨我對你的表現不滿意我只問你一句話那一天排在那一天有沒有侵犯護理師考生的應考他的所謂的罷免權憲法上的罷免權有沒有侵犯實務上如果他必須參加國考的話他就沒有辦法去投當然啊那你政府排那一天他就得難道他放棄前程去投罷免嗎你造成他選擇困難嘛 |
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你答不出來 這有侵犯他罷免權之前嗎 沒有嗎有沒有侵犯到他的罷免權 有沒有對嘛 就跟大家講有侵犯嘛 就這麼簡單嘛我問法務部次長 來 我們政府的法律守門人當我們國家把罷免投票定在7月26號 護理師有辦法去投票嗎除非他放棄護理師的考試啦 |
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我想他並沒有因此喪失罷免投票的資格天吶 他當然沒有喪失罷免投票的資格他是沒有辦法行使罷免權吶那是事實問題事實問題啊 謝謝啊我告訴你學學我們秘書長法務部次長講出這種話來我也跟你講 你不及格來 請教我們中選會主委 |
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有沒有侵犯到他的罷免權利造成他沒有辦法去投罷免票這個問題我看花一點時間跟大家做解釋報告第一個就是說通常啦我們在明年要舉辦的不管是國考或者是選務我們的前一年會有協調會盡量大家避開不要去互相干擾影響這個是我們行之有年 |
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好啦我正在講什麼啦前面你跟考試院協調完後面就不用理考試院的意思啦第二點就是說今年的這個罷免案罷免案的投票日期法律有明文的規定是在罷免案宣告成立之後20到60天之內我等你講這句話來我等你講這句話來第三個來再來 |
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那這個20到60天剛好落在什麼地方呢就是在今年的7月11到8月19我等你講這句話7月11到8月19一共有6個週末來 繼續前兩個週末時間太緊迫了我們辦選務來不及這是第一個考量第二個 |
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後面最後的兩個週末 因為跟823又太靠近了怕重疊 怕互相干擾所以去頭去尾 剛才中午這個兩個禮拜 只有剩在中間那這兩個禮拜這是什麼爛理由啊你去解釋給這個家長聽啦什麼叫做最後兩個禮拜太近所以你決定犧牲護理師的憲法上的罷免權 |
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但是我們不辦這個20到60天之內不辦也是違法的那對於我告訴你 來沒關係來 停我告訴你8月3號就沒有國考 來穆秘書長8月3號有沒有國考也是一樣週六週日有沒有國考有沒有 |
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沒有嘛8月3號有沒有在那40天範圍之內有沒有8月3號是禮拜天啦對這跟一般人民投票的這個好來來來沒關係我都知道你要講什麼藉口啦我想請問謝國良報免案是2024年10月13號沒錯吧禮拜天 禮拜幾 |
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主委不會不知道吧你們訂的啊禮拜天啦林昶佐罷免案2022年1月9號禮拜幾禮拜天啦 |
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立委的第十屆的第三選區立委補選2023年1月8號禮拜天然後十屆的立委補選台中第二選立委補選然後包括我們第九屆立法委員第二選區的補選台中市第五選區立委的補選都是禮拜天中選會主委我跟你講 |
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今天你明明可以不侵犯護理師考試 護理生考生的權益你卻執意要挑戰那一天來 我想請問一下我們的秘書長中選會選那一天有跟你們商量過有諮詢你的意見嗎 有沒有我知道過程當中考選部有跟中選會有意見交換他的意見是贊成還是反對考選部有把我們的考試時程提供他贊成還反對 |
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我再問你一遍我覺得對考試院有既往甚深考生的權益是你們應該掛在心中的一塊肉吧我的理解因為這是考選部去處理的但是我的理解應該是就是希望能夠盡可能錯開吧就反對嘛你們考試院就是要站在考生的權益著想好了你們已經表達說不希望放在那一天中選會的意見是什麼 |
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還是要放在那一天是不是一個中選會光這件事情就去侵犯護理師考生的憲法權利眼睛到底有沒有憲法來沒關係我告訴你我想請問我們的秘書長請問蔡英文總統的 |
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罷免投票權跟護理師考生的罷免投票權誰比較貴重誰比較貴重每個人的權利都一樣當然是啊我在那天羅志強也可以投罷免票啊對不對蔡英文也可以投罷免票啊但是就是誰沒辦法投罷免票就護理師沒辦法投罷免票的考生 |
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護理師考生那天有多少考生 多少考生應該有一萬多個對 一萬多人 當然不是全部都在罷免區不是全部都在罷免區但是有24個選區在同時進行罷免所以有非常多的考生 至少上千名 幾千名有至少有 沒錯吧 |
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這幾千名的考生的投票權都不重要我今天是來為我們護理師今天討一個公道啦護理師考生討一個公道啦然後最後我告訴你喔請問秘書長你知道7226這一天要作為罷免投票日最早是誰講的我不知道啊來 中選會主委最早說7月26號要罷免投票日我們中華民國裡面有一個人最早預言那一天是罷免投票是誰是哪一位 |
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這個沒有所謂的預言啦好 謝謝你喔我講的是事實問題喔你剛剛講事實問題啊沒關係 來來來我請法務部次長嘗試題沒有知識也要有嘗試中華民國第一位預言7月26號就罷免投票日是哪一位這個我不知道你不知道喔你們不敢講不是不知道因為新聞很大啦王逸川都知道啦 |
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就是柯建民啦 我們立法院黨團的總召 鍾嘉斌也一定知道你們的嘗試不如這兩位委員就是柯建民明明有8月3號 不是沒有國考的日子你中選會主委為什麼選7月26號 我告訴你啦柯建民總召都講了 你可以打他的臉 你不敢嘛我找不出第二個理由啊 |
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那為什麼今天中選會主委今天這麼厲害我可以直接告訴你啊我是被罷免人啊我們會不會研究一下罷免的投票日你知道我們所有在野黨立委共同認為最可能罷免投票日是幾號你知道嗎就是8月3號因為8月3號是有道理因為沒有國考我們萬萬沒有想到你們會選一個7月26號去踐踏護理師考生 |
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這就是為什麼今天我也要特別講我們中選會我跟你講李進勇主委不只這一樁啦條條樁樁你今天有沒有把人民放在心上有沒有把憲法放在心上為什麼今天你只因為柯建民就這樣那柯建民是什麼他是比護理師的考生更大嗎他的話是聖旨嗎主委你要不要跟我們護理師考生道個歉說聲抱歉 |
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我想這個考試日期的決定有各種考量我剛剛已經報告過了最終就是我們的選委會我們委員會所做的一個決定今天我在這邊質詢主委我是因為有家長大安區的家長跟我反映 |
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他覺得你欠他一個道歉對於任何個人都沒有辦法 他可能可以去預測天啊 他可以預測來 秘書長秘書長過來 秘書長請你上來他竟然可以說這護理師考試可以預測 |
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想要請問我只會我先沒問你喔我問完你再回答我不是說等一下考生去預測不是那誰預測是相關的人相關的人啊他預測神準你就做了啊跟這個事件有相關的人他自己會去算嘛大概是落在什麼時候我告訴你那我要表達你管誰能預測考生就預測不到你今天會侵犯他的罷免權我要表達的就是說這個日期的決定跟任何人沒有關係這是委員會的決定好第二個委員會我告訴你 |
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我也很關心的因為這個日期決定而使得有些人他沒有辦法來參加考試對這一點來講我們也覺得非常的遺憾非常遺憾啊連鄭州道歉四個字說不出來因為這個罷免案的成立日期跟投票日期 |
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今天是因為中選會妨礙了今天護理師國考生的罷免權你選擇的日子明明有8月3號可以選你不選你選7月26號他們沒有辦法他就在你各種各種考量之下成為犧牲品你這邊告訴人跟我講說你只是遺憾你不需要道歉連考試院都跟你講拜託你啦考選部拜託你不要那一天啊你一意孤行啊中選會 |
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你要不要道個歉啊起碼吧考生值得你的道歉吧起碼吧憲法第17條的權利起碼吧你要不要道個歉 |
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我想大家先理解我們中選會辦理這個選務決定這個時間有我們的不得已的考量在這種情況之下不得已啊 哪門子的不得已啊你到現在為止沒有跟我講8月3號什麼叫不得已的理由就是瞎掰出來一堆奇奇怪怪的東西然後又不敢承認是柯建民叫你做的 |
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就說是柯建平預測歸柯建平預測我當然知道你這樣去講啊這個絕對不是這一點我可以公開的講沒關係啦直播大家看在眼裡面我最後做一個簡單的結論齊秘書長今天我還是肯定一下我們考試院因為我看到新聞考選部有反對你們有守住立場我今天公開肯定考試院 |
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但我今天公開譴責中選會一意孤行考試院都已經跟你講那種國考日也明明那40天內有其他不是國考日你中選會你就要那麼那麼的剛剛好不是因為柯建民的預測但是剛剛好跳到柯建民預測裡面去那時候全國討論都不是7月26號唯一講出7月26號日期就是柯建民 |
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你現在跟我講跟柯建民無關誰信啊那即便到今天這個地步就有幾千名考生因此沒有辦法行使罷免權就你李靖勇一個人造成的嘛你以為只有這件事情而已我從來沒有看過投票的時候中選會主委跟大家講不可以呼籲踴躍投票啦中華民國選舉時代第一位站出來叫大家不要踴躍投票就是不可以宣傳踴躍投票就是你李靖勇 |
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我佩服你到無體投地我今天也告訴你今天大罷免大落賽25比0裡面有一個有一份就是你今天你已經有落的賽了謝謝 |