| IVOD_ID |
163489 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163489 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-14T10:19:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-14T10:31:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ced7f9f61571ec94fa4a6d1834d190260cbfb79a6da4e5c9ae818901e71e46d0c1acf7fe19f66a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:35 - 10:31:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長、經濟部次長、財政部次長、農業部次長、行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表報告「因應台美關稅及國際局勢變化台美關係互動情形，暨俄烏戰事與以哈衝突外交援助概況」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我先麻煩我們經濟部次長還有顏惠欣副總談判代表委員好我先請教一下副總談判代表我們現在看昨天川普宣布中國的部分是在延後90天嘛暫停90天他們現在目前的暫行關稅是多少 |
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他們現在暫行關稅是55%是疊加的還是excluded他是疊加的所以他把原來稅再加上55%暫行90天那我們台灣現在正跟美國要進到最後一個階段就是concluding的這個會議就是總結會議 |
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我們的總結會議的期程會不會因為美國跟中國的關稅談判受到影響 |
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欸 報告委員我想那個台 這個不 這是國際的局勢嘛對 這是國際的局勢上面每一個國家跟美國的談判都是個別進行的最近有些專家講的是這一次談判跟以往的經貿談判完全不一樣川普給的時間很短要談的國家近百個 很多所以每個國家面對的變化環境很快所以沒有一個國家可以 |
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即時連談判的代表在當下可能都沒辦法第一時間掌握到即時的資訊更遑論對自己的這個授權的政府能夠提供即時的資訊或透明化這個是這次談判的困難點我昨天看了一個我們以前的老同事國民黨的這個徐仁立委他現在在美國智庫擔任研究員他特別點出來這一次的談判其實大家不要用黨派去批判這個事情各國面對的困境是一樣然後呢 |
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疊加從四月份 四月二號到四月九號我們就知道疊加是通則那不疊加 日本跟歐盟是要付出一定的代價才決定不疊加甚至於日本的不疊加好像公告好像還沒有看到嘛對 所以到底會不會變日本人也炒在蛋啦就他那個不疊加事實上白宮沒有公告出來喔那我要回到我要問的命題我們剛才知道中國昨天被宣布暫緩九十天 |
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有人說這好消息有人說壞消息我們就是持平來講55%的疊加稅率再維持90天中國的出口競爭力會受到很大的影響那台灣的產業我待會要請教經濟部就是我們常常講產業受損 產業受損產業受損要看兩塊我進到美國是我們最大的出口市場加上稅我的成本提高那我產品有沒有不可替代性如果產品具有不可替代性那誰倒霉 消費者倒霉你要付多一點錢 |
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那如果我產品有被替代性 那我要看什麼我要看我的競爭國 它是多少歲所以比方說以螺絲螺帽 我們的第一大競爭對象是中國它是55%疊加 我們是20%疊加那在競爭的優勢上 我不敢講我們的競爭優勢是下降因為它加了55%嘛 所以這個經貿要這樣看所以我回到請教我們這個嚴副總談判代表 |
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大家關心的是好我們現在講這暫時狀態那暫時狀態也不會太久了但我剛問的一個命題就是在整個台美的談判當中中國當然是有影響不管是避免他來洗產地或者是他經過台灣中轉美國現在對越南越南的20%有加一個但書欸中國過來的變40%欸所以很明顯這一次關稅談判如果硬要扯一個罪魁禍首就中國啊 |
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就是針對中國的一個圍堵政策所以回到我們現在進行的總結談判總結談判就會有一個最終我們得到的結論要不然我們就是20%疊加所以我剛才請教的問題很簡單我們總結談判是不是在進行中我們的期程會不會受中國延後90天受到影響如果會 那我這90天內我就不能期待了嘛就你的判斷 |
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跟委員報告如同我一開始所說的整個這一次台美的這個對等關稅談判或者是美國跟各國的這個對等關稅談判地緣政治是一個 |
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很重要的因素所以呢那我覺得地緣政治是美國本身看起來它的一個策略性或戰略性上面的考量但是有沒有涉及到特定的國家我想我在這邊就不便進一步幫美國說明那有沒有得到任何的implication或者什麼就是我們的談判的期程因為當年我們在進那個WTO的時候當時是國際協議就是要一起公佈 |
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那我不曉得我們這一次的最後的總結談判有沒有這樣的氛圍啦我不要講說有什麼樣的現象或的事實有沒有的氛圍就是我們的最終談判的期程可能還要再等 |
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跟委員報告我想我們談判就是一個互動的過程所以我們跟美國現在就是還沒有進行到最終的總結性會議而且我們想要把232這些議題跟對等關稅一起處理這個也會涉及到比較複雜性的討論232對台灣影響其實比較大因為我們對美的deficit我們的赤字90%其實是來自於 |
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ICT產業那ICT產業只要裡面裝的晶片在美國有設廠的都可以豁免變零趴那對台灣來講其實赤字不會掉下來第二個就沒有解決赤字問題然後台灣被衝擊到的這一塊產業是沒有衝擊到那我就請教經濟部啦那個那個嚴副總裁可以輕輕請回座 |
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所以我就要回到經濟衝擊這一塊第一個我們對美赤字其實90%來自於ICT產業可是他又因為他在美國有設廠所以他的產品他的那個基板上面只要有那些晶片他可以得到百分之百的關稅的豁免然後呢現在疊加的關稅誰在付代價傳統產業或者農業你知道嗎 就是 |
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因為這樣子導致貿易赤字所以我們談判會比較困難結果他又因為在美國有設產所以他可能要豁免結果北鳥要受罪啊就換成傳統產業疊加關稅是卡在他身上所以這一點上我們國內的ICT產業其實會因而直接或間接受益所以從那邊得到的稅收應該要相當額度的來補貼我們的傳統產業跟農業這樣才合理啊 |
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我認為我們的科技產業獲利對台灣是好事畢竟它是我們重要的產業可是這一次的談判是因為貿易赤字是其中一個主要的因素而疊加的關稅又沒有疊到他身上就變成傳統產業要幫忙負擔這個赤字你懂我邏輯意思嗎所以我先請教在這一個目前關稅疊加的狀況下 |
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我們造成出口美國市場的成本會增加我剛已經講了如果我們的產品具有不可替代性那沒關係就是美國消費者要買貴一點的東西但是如果我們的產品具有可替代性我就要看競爭對手的關稅你們現在這個評估報告出來了沒有報告委員我分兩點來說明第一點就是因為我們也了解到這些傳統產業可能會受影響 |
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經濟部在特別條例的部分也特別這個編列了希望能夠編列460億來照顧這些業者尤其是我們的中小企業那第二個部分委員有提到有競爭性的產品確實我們也有做一些初步的研析例如像我們比較關注的產業像水五金扣件 |
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水五金的產品它其實原本的競爭的對手就包括越南跟中國但是現在中國的稅非常的高尤其又疊加之後相較之下我們確實是在關稅的部分是較中國為低但是我們還是要持續因為我們現在談判還在進行當中當然是希望能夠 |
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爭取更優惠的這個關稅我們都希望關稅越低越好最好大家都是零但是要付出我們國內市場的代價那我們現在面對一個暫時性的現實就是20%的疊加當然有的人從4月份就不讀書都認為說這個疊加是新聞 沒有啦疊加從一開始就有了啦 |
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而且全世界都有啦日本跟歐盟的不疊加也是最近談判結果才把它解放出來其他都是疊加的我再問一個命題就是我們都希望關稅越低越好那個叫成本我出口到美國100塊錢加了20%再加原有的稅可能變成135塊那叫我的成本 |
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那我現在面對競爭者的時候你剛才就講一個很好的事情像水五金跟扣件扣件就是我們講螺絲螺帽我們的主要競爭對手是越南跟中國而中國是55%疊加所以當兩個產品到美國報價的時候大家都會變貴但是中國要比我們貴更多那對我們的競爭力其實在現況上並不是下降的 |
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所以這個東西要出來甚至要幫助我們的業者因為現在在搶聖誕節訂單跟明年第一季的訂單要幫助我們的業者像美國這邊說台灣的品質更好加了20%關稅比那個加55%的我們相較起來更有價格的競爭優勢要協助業者那如果失去競爭優勢的我們的400多億的輔導就要進場協助他這樣才能夠讓業者趕快安心下來這牽涉到很多人的就業機會 |
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然後像藍花 藍花我們的競爭對手也是越南跟荷蘭看不同的藍種 荷蘭他們現在是15%的樣子歐盟國家 歐盟嘛 15%嘛 可是它是不疊加喔那我們的藍花是20%要疊加那藍花業者面對荷蘭 我們競爭優勢就往下掉可是我們另外一個競爭對手是越南 |
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越南在中低價位的跟我們是競爭對手那越南的蘭花是20%疊加跟我們一樣那大家評分可是越南如果它的蘭種什麼來自於中國什麼的它變40%我希望經濟部把這個分析寫精細一點讓每個業者知道我現在的競爭優勢到底是加還是減還是平盤然後它減之後它需要什麼樣的協助 |
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是行政的協助資金的協助技術的協助很具體的告訴他我可以短期融資多少中期什麼東西然後呢談判辦這邊再盡快把總結會議趕快談出來這樣整套國家策略才清晰這樣懂我意思嗎所以談判當中我們不為難有些資訊事實上也不是第一個要保密第二個是談判資訊是在變動當中很難很難立即掌握那我們只希望談判辦跟我們經貿單位 |
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盡快的在總結會議幫台灣爭取一個比較好的競爭位置那我今天本來一堆要問外交部的事情我就下次再請教林部長了好 謝謝 |