| IVOD_ID |
163474 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163474 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-14T09:23:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-14T09:40:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ced7f9f61571ec92c304d0b4fa2783fe6bf3365bfe6dc7a04ee5edf5b2cb1d40065ea35054ffef05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:23:52 - 09:40:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請銓敘部部長、行政院人事行政總處人事長、中央選舉委員會主任委員、法務部廉政署署長、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「政務人員應否及如何遵守行政中立原則、行政機關於選舉罷免期間應為如何之宣導與落實」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）考試院函請審議「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員邱志偉等21人擬具「公務人員考績法第三條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員吳沛憶等20人擬具「公務人員考績法第十二條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員范雲等17人擬具「公務人員考績法第三條、第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、併案審查（一）委員傅崐萁等25人、（二）委員郭昱晴等18人分別擬具「刑事訴訟法第七十一條及第一百七十五條條文修正草案」案。
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心理主席喔 麻煩有請考試院選序部的部長麻煩請考試院人事總處人事長中選會主任委員 司法院刑事廳廳長以及法務部廉政署好 副署長各位好 時間的關係不宜問候先請法務部廉政署副署長 |
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吹哨者保護法在1月22號刪除通過了以後目前7月22號生效了沒錯吧是那依照公務依照吹哨者保護法要設的吹哨者保護委員會設好了沒有現在正在設立現在正在設立在有關相關的還需要多久7月20號不就已經生效了嗎7月22號生效對啊 今天幾號那委員正在甄選當中你們前面六個月在幹嘛 |
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也相當在進行啊對啊之前你們就是因為施行需要時間嘛給你們六個月嘛7月22號現在正式施行啊啊依法要設立的委員會到現在沒有設起來這樣對嗎這樣是依法行政嗎我們已經在籌設當中對嘛所以啊現在公務機關的托詞是什麼給你六個月的時間準備 |
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法律已經生效所以你現在還在仇赦那如果你現在還在仇赦依照新的吹哨者保護法這個委員會的法定執掌事項是誰在做法律真空狀態法律有規定沒有人要執行是這樣嗎這個是廉政署依法行政的態度嗎應該這樣嗎 |
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這是廉政署依法行政的態度嗎法律生效但我廉政署主管的要設吹哨子保護委員會我還沒設法律形同句文啊因為沒有人執行啊我有說錯嗎還需要多久還需要多久應該在半個月到一個月內可以回去喔 請轉告部長 |
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我對於法務部啊 這樣的效率啊完全沒有辦法苟同完全沒辦法苟同給你們六個月六個月給你們準備在幹什麼法律正式生效都還沒有設起來跟委員報告 我想這是一個來 繼續往下聯政署可以認定個案有沒有違反行政中立嗎可以不可以我們沒有直接去認定沒有 好 來沒有 來看一下 奇怪了 |
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民進黨新竹市大團領導人林志傑你們應該很熟啦 廉政署應該常找他啦直接說啦 廉政署認證高雄安邱成遠違反行政中立他說的是真的還假的我想我們沒有直接講出邱市長的名字吧那所以是林志傑在散播假訊息嗎 是不是這個你不知道 但是你就你知道的回答就好了 第一個 |
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聯政署有沒有認定高翁安修成員違反行政中立 |
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有還是沒有應該是說他們在處理那個活動的過程當中新竹市政府的相關承辦人員在活動現場的管理上面有相當的一個 有一點疏忽所以我們認為說是不是新竹市政府應該做一些相關的檢討所以你有發函給林志傑是不是我不確定我們是發函給誰奇怪 那個林志傑說收到廉政署回函 上面是密件 |
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廉政署編的密件是密件嗎還是廉政署編的密件內容可以揭露請廉政署表達立場我們因為設密件是對於相關他是告訴人告發人基於他告訴人告發人的保障的立場我們用密件是 |
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那所以把這個密件的內容公開有沒有違反泄密罪至於密件的內容公開這個不是我們可以去確定的一個問題奇怪了 你們廉政署自己發密件自己的密件被公開自己都沒立場喔官官相護成這個樣子喔沒有官官相護對啊 所以我就問你嘛廉政署編的密件內容可不可以公開公開有沒有違反泄密罪 有還是沒有還是廉政署也沒立場 |
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這個不是沒有立場的問題啦對啊 那所以你的立場是什麼就講清楚啦有些人自己要把資料都分公開的話那我們沒有其他的意思奇怪 公務人員對於刑事犯罪行為不是依照職權有依法告發的職責嗎更何況你是廉政署欸推得這麼乾淨喔蛤 |
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刑事訴訟法的規定公務員的規定遇到刑事犯罪行為是不是要依照職權告發相關的處理過程當中也許市政府他們相關的承辦人員在活動現場的管理過程當中設有疏失我們並沒有指高鴻安市長這不是我現在在問的問題這一趴的問題是上一趴的問題嘛現在你說要有立場 那我去問啊 |
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你們編的密件被公開了有沒有違反泄密罪這個問題不敢回答喔因為貼出來的人是林志傑所以你不敢回答是不是貼出來是誰我不知道對沒關係那你就回答嘛泄密罪要不要辦我們可以來瞭解啦可以來瞭解好請回去瞭解需要多久的時間瞭解一個月好一個月來下一個你認識吳祁銘嗎我認識 |
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所以這個吳祈明幫你去關說的事情你不知道你完全不知道所以吳祈明很雞婆喔大力推薦你欸大力推薦你欸這麼雞婆喔來 再問一下依照我們 廉政登錄你應該很熟嘛 對不對是好有人跟部長請託關說要不要做廉政登錄要不要要吧 |
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要不要 如果是涉及到有關權利義務的行使的話當然啊 部長要升誰官怎麼會沒有權利的行使 這權利大著呢如果要做廉政登錄的話 蔡清祥被請託官說這件事情有沒有做廉政登錄這個我不清楚 要不要回去了解 |
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這個是不是廉政署該處理的事如果不是廉政署該處理的事是誰主管請說明法務部會主管法務部哪一個單位主管法務部有相關的政風小組會處理法務部的政風小組好 回去告訴部長蔡清祥接受這個請託官說有沒有廉政登錄 |
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請法務部一個禮拜書面回覆請法務部一個禮拜書面回覆你已經講很清楚了嘛涉及到權力行使的請託官說要做廉政登錄我相信這個你很熟啦一個禮拜之內書面回覆來 下一位請人事長選區部部長也一起上來 |
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我們今天討論行政中立這務官當然沒有行政中立的問題嘛續產會董事長一年領台灣人三百萬農業部說要借重藏財推動改革結果很閒啊一天到晚在雲林搞大罷免這上班時間喔這上班時間喔上班時間在雲林搞大罷免雲林的鄉親看不下去啊我們政府很有錢的啦 |
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一年花三百萬養一個人然後再幫執政黨搞大罷免這個國家到底怎麼了這國家到底怎麼了我問農業部這樣OK嗎他說他要回去調查調查到現在三個禮拜沒有給我回覆來 任市長這個行為OK嗎 |
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按照我們目前的規定是農業部底下首屬的法人的負責人他也要遵循行政中立的相關規定他這樣有沒有違反公務人員行政中立法我們必須要去確認他有沒有請假如果沒有請假就是先等一下這分兩個部分喔他在上班的時間稿那你說他要遵循公務人員行政中立的規定這樣子的行為 |
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有算有遵守公務人員行政中立的規定嗎不然請教就不可以請教就可以去有一些有限度的一些協助宣導來看一下這個算不算你有限度的協助宣導你今天在上面講的話你要想清楚喔我向來的原則很清楚同一個標準一律適用不要因人設事啊 |
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不要是因為是民進黨陰系的大佬幫他開後門啦這樣的行為有沒有跨線 有沒有 講清楚喔他的身份事實上是不倚啦 他的身份是不倚哇 這麼模糊喔 用不倚喔 是不倚還是不應該 |
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不宜不應該都收工啦 就不可以就對了啦不可以就對了嘛 現在就有了 要抓處理主管機關要去調查清楚啊現在就拖啊 拖三星期啊能拖就拖 能混就混啊 是要混多久來 任市長 注意聽喔回去 你主動跟農業部聯絡說我今天質詢這件事情 好 |
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一起辦看要辦多久我一定繼續等下去你也知道我的習慣啦我做一件事情我一定會一直追下去追到有答案為止可以嗎沒問題好來接下來這個就跟你有關係了軍公教待遇調整法制化我大概在這個委員會每一次看到你我每一次問每一次看到你我每一次問去年你們跳票 |
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我非常的不高興我本來想要用動行政院人事總署 凍結預算部分預算的方式來請你們履行義務結果你們後來找人來跟我溝通說先不要動人事長保證一定會做我聽了沒有第二句話我馬上就撤了因為我們凍結預算的目的是要逼你們做事嘛你今天給我承諾說你會做 |
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我這個人很阿莎莉的 就事論事我測 我相信你結果咧 行政院研議中你的職責你有送到行政院有行政院在研議嗎我跟委員報告一下整個程序啦沒有啦 整個程序我非常熟12月份所有的性評相關的程序都我知道啦我都有在追啦我只有一個問題啦 行政院還要研議多久 |
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其實這件事我們都有去拜託行政院很快所以你去拜託 行政院沒要參與就對了因為他有其他的考慮他有什麼其他的考慮他沒辦法我們行政院很忙嗎現在是不是又討論到現在是不是又討論到公務人員明年要不要加薪的議題 |
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這個禮拜一8月11號我們已經啟動第一個階段找金公教的相關的工學會來對嘛 你啟動找他們來他們在外面喊什麼他們要的是公務人員條新機制法制化嘛我有沒有講錯委員講的是對的對啊 所以我就問啊我們現在行政院是太忙還是太閒還是一天到晚腦袋裡面只剩下大罷免大成功 |
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整個頭殼只剩下大罷免大成功政務官下去搞大罷免大成功說要剿匪那剿匪到底啊整個行政院到底在幹什麼啊公務人員調清機制的法治化這不涉及到政黨不涉及到顏色涉及的只有一件事公務人員權利的保障可以混成這樣喔 |
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你行政院是很沒影響 啊到底是在沒影響當然你站在上面 你聽我這樣講你也很無奈啦啊我就上去了 啊左榮泰在混 左榮泰在拖站在那邊 被我這樣子罵的應該是左榮泰不是你任市長你內心的小劇場是不是這樣 |
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不是啦 我總是覺得行政院有他更多元的考量而且他沒有關係啊 好請今天行政院發新聞稿告訴全台灣社會他有什麼多元的考量不要只是說我們還在積極的研議本院聆聽社會各方的高見我們還在積極的研議當中他有什麼考量公開跟全國的公務人員講嘛用混的喔 用拖的喔 |
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我希望啦 你不要讓行政院害到我這樣說你應該怕有啦 好 來 再來國發基金不當投資我之前在調查委員會的時候 我發現這很奇怪 |
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我們的國發基金在負責管理國發基金的執密還參與個案的審查結果離開國發基金執行長的角色以後馬上跑去另外一家公司當董事而那個公司國發基金會投資就是在他任內做的然後他還是會議主席耶可以這樣搞喔 |
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我們現在的公務員迴轉門的條款已經鬆到什麼我再解釋一次喔我再解釋一次我是國發基金管理委員會的執行秘書平常行政都我在管這個投資案我是會議主席支持投資結果呢 自己下台了以後跑去那個他要投資的公司當董事可以這樣搞嗎 |
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還是人事長這不關你的事 是選區部的事我了解應該國發會員有在調查啦調查多久了 你知道嗎現在一樣繼續拖嗎沒有 我只要從法規範的角度嘛告訴全台灣人民嘛我們國發今天這樣搞是對的嗎我做會議主席決定要投資這家公司我離開國發會了以後去這家公司當董事可以這樣嗎 |
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我看不到啊可以這樣搞嗎來 請任市長我的了解也是要有主管機關他們去調查調查中有疑義他會跟全序部去請教來 請全序部 |
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跟委員報告 這個案子我知道他們應該是在調查中然後曾經有問全局部的意見那我們基本上用服務法的觀念來講就是基本上個案還是應該他要根據服務法的那個選擇我們條款所以大家還在踢皮球就對了嘛 對不對這不是踢皮球 我們把那個條款好 沒關係啦 所以要負責任的是國發會嘛 對不對好 沒有關係喔今天一樣 |
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算我個人拜託啦 我公開拜託人事長跟權敘部回去打一通電話 給國發會的主委給國發會的主委 可以這樣搞調查這麼久 繼續混 都不處理喔可以這樣幹嗎民進黨執政的關鍾敗壞成什麼樣子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我再說一次 民進黨執政的關鍾敗壞成什麼樣子啊我們從這個案子 民進黨政府要怎麼處理開始檢驗 好 謝謝 |