| IVOD_ID |
163458 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163458 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T16:02:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T16:18:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdf0b26018268f067b2a8bba6e65b10b0a52f31ce8253a2e1bda6fda1f50879ef4a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:02:10 - 16:18:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓院長還有農業部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 農業部陳部長副委員好 鳳太哥來了楊柳 我今天中島進行 |
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還在旁邊 已經發布海上颱風警報 陸上颱風警報也開始發布了這次你看這個島 這次台東 屏東 高雄 台南 還要下去你的一萬塊錢是要發的這次楊卓英你回答說還要想什麼 |
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一萬塊要發一萬塊的 要有賠償可以這樣擔保啊 收費啊一萬塊 什麼說法我們在強化任性條例的特別條例當中總統已經公告了大院修正後的特別條例那公告以後就會生效那我們現在認為這個對整理現在產業的支持或許還有調整的必要 也對於 |
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電網的民生系統維護 還有增加的必要那對弱勢是不是要做多一層的考量那除了這些之外基本上它會維持原來在大院所通過的特別條例的內容我們再修正之後再通過之後我們再編訂特別預算 繼續執行新加坡管理庫發發就發展 韓國總統一上任 |
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不到一個月就發五千多塊到九千多塊大家都看在眼裡大家都援軍都血量的現在台灣沒有人說一定台灣沒有人說大家都很聰明下一張委員你必須知道我們這個是舉債來執行這項業務的下一張這一次農業部的表現很好我這一次再一次在這邊跟你肯定但是還是有一些問題要跟你報告 |
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第一個 你們農業部的補助 農損的計算你是用你補助的錢來做農業損失 一定 你可能不知道這點可不可以說 鄉村的育兒包一公頃補助六萬幾千塊 它就是一分錢補六千幾塊 |
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你來月包給他修繩一分地可以修三十萬三十萬你的水道 水道你補助兩千多塊一分地兩千多塊金舟還在漲 金舟多少八千對不對 補丟八萬一家的八萬 遠遠不足你就用他你補助的金額來算榮損 |
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那事實上跟世紀上是差十倍以上嘛我要跟委員報告就是天然災害救助本身的救助金的計算是用成本的精神的百分之二十去計算那用百分之二十我覺得這個是絕對可以檢討我們現在也正在檢討 |
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那剛才你講的是用產值那產值的時候會跟當年的物價的波動有很大的關係那那個東西變成沒有一致性的標準是很難去處理的沒有啦 第一個就是你的補助的金額都偏低所以那個要調整好不好 要調整好不好 |
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我們一年都提供你一次你一次的調整20塊 30塊 30塊農業我們會去看他現在目前的生產成本的20%上下那我剛才說的這20%是不是適當我們是可以來討論的你把農產品的農損下到這麼低你是要顯示什麼你給農民很失望的嘛你一塊地 一分地的金銷你給他撥走八千塊那八千塊就買不掉就不夠啊 |
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一分多的香蕉要三百多張我們家裡種香蕉的我小時候都吃香蕉的所以你說這樣一分多三百多張香蕉還賣了什麼這樣你的身份加一個八千多個要說幾天 |
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我講百分之二十的成本不是全部的成本成本的百分之二十這樣你以為會做農損你也要農損 說這麼多人家也不會說你怎麼樣對不對你說這麼多 要積這個管子九千萬這個管子七千萬實際上都十倍以上嘛農漁部的損失 |
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這麼大 農業相關人口三百萬人咧不要人家賤大好不好我跟委員報告 現在我們粗暴的部分是用成本大概是37.8億但是產值的損失可能是上百億大概四倍 三倍到四倍左右看到十倍都有好 那剛剛很多委員說 錢品向前方位我贊成 給你金額要提高嘛 好不好 |
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一定要答應一下 逐年把它調一下要不然 再來你用榮榫用這種步驟來做你的榮榫這樣是不對 遠遠不足的 |
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我還是要跟委員報告這次的災損我們除了救助但我們知道救助竟然遠遠不足農民要復耕的所以我們又加了這些專案的補助那補助下去以後還不夠的話我們又用貸款的方式特別是免息的貸款的部分來支持農民減輕農民的金融支出壓力我要去便當看那個紅來728水災到底來延伸公路這樣密密冒冒要看 |
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那邊跟農糧署說一半後就公告 往來也補助所以我給它勤奮一勤奮在這裡那其他的不對 不對嘛要改善嘛 要改善嘛 對不對我那天去 外環河去打魚看那些光電板啊 看那些蚵仔蚵仔餅一瓶我們蚵仔餅一瓶補助五百塊說叫那些布袋啦 叫那些香港素的人說要借白啊出去外面去 去送那些牛 |
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風影這麼大,如果又變白又變白,又有人瀆死,我們就更因公殉職。這就很簡單的事情,空拍機拍拍拍拍就好了, |
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不要做那麼無聊的事情 院長不要這樣糟蹋我們的公務人員看了真的很心疼跟委員報告委員對農民的關心或者公務員講話我們都非常感謝那也知道中央政府也一樣是站在照顧大眾的立場上來做所有的政府的推動那今年我們通過如果這個特別條例通過我們編的特別預算560億是要舉債的 |
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另外我們在任性特別條例如果通過大院所通過的5450億的話我們還要舉債1000億明年的中央政府總預算我們要舉債更大的一個數目所以中央政府的財政已經陷入這種狀況我們還是願意從中間以補助照顧弱勢最大跟優先的原則來做 |
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但一再這樣一直加我們的舉債就會一直一直的增加這也是現在中央財政的問題但是每次我談這個從來沒有委員願意跟我對談這個問題還有一個就是農業的保險這也要給我們政府感謝就是說你們中央有補助保養費中央政府有補助 農民自己出超過40% |
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大概平均大概一箱而已這樣很好啊你保險你再交給外面的民間公司交給什麼富邦金礦啦什麼的那些私營公司每天就有夠過分的要賠的要收收緊緊的要賠的 |
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農業的保險本身雖然是產務保險公司在做但是他們的核定跟他們的認定我們是由農金署這邊來協助的而且是用天氣參數只要風速或雨量到的時候就不會去限開 |
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我跟院長請求一下我們農業部存在照顧廣大農業民農業相關人口三百萬人一年的產值差不多五千五百億人這很重要 這國家安定農業 糧食什麼都安全 |
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保養喔 自己農心事 自己農業部 自己去做你既然保育都出這麼多 你就自己做 自己照顧你的農民也這樣比較寬容 寬大 比較理睬讓民間公司 阿你不搭歐北部 我看不下去耶然後你出那麼多錢 你就把它收來自己做嘛 |
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這樣可以考慮嗎我已經講了什麼十次了我領綱在去親自去跟委員說明喔我們現在產物保險公司跟農金屬有一個非常好的互動的機制跟檢查的機制啦不會像你說的就是說當理賠的時候產物保險公司一直在苛扣啦這個部分我想我們可以保證絕對沒這種事情但是我想會後找個時間再跟委員報告這親共公司一年賺幾百億幾百億天天在那邊吹牛第一季賺幾百億第二季賺 |
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看他們敢賠錢 賠到這樣好 下一位這個我們的榮順 榮水路我都有去屏東要去看所以在這裡跟大家報告這都要寬列預算來做你五百六十月不夠不夠就剩這麼多對不對就會增加舉債 |
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這五年超銷一兆五六千億我們認知的是這麼多錢你認知的說你都不夠這大家再來討論一下往年都花去的你們都不算你們都算收拿進來的錢這樣子不對啊 |
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但這已經我不需要討論這些事情啦我們政府舉債如果能照顧到大眾大家認為行政人員該舉債立法院也認為可以舉債我們用舉債的方式來指引那必須是大量的舉債那再來呢 環保 環境部長我時間沒了 衛福部長是要開一個啦我要跟你討論一下衛福部邱部長請 |
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今天早上美國前太平洋司令跟美國國防顧問說台灣一定要重啟閒置的核電廠這是美國說的 不是我說的他說我們的極端氣候我們的能源都是靠外面的這個是非常危險 |
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那我再一次跟你報告 我就在屏東屏東 河山 那四個 河村半島四個鄉庭他們做的民調 同意研議的有75%那全台灣的民調 同意的有70% 反對的18% |
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所以不像你說的那樣我是覺得只有一個觀念就是要恢復家園這個神主牌是無聊的 沒有意義的時間暫停 所有人對不起 不好意思今天我們是邀行政院長就第17條職權刑事法請行政院長就戴納斯颱風專案報告 |
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所以拜託能夠互相尊重 理性對話我們根據這個範疇好不好好 謝謝我要跟財業環境部說你們最近把寶樹 寶芽 寶龍在屏東光電板這個把他們停下來 把他們退回我要跟你肯定謝謝委員 |
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所以我們要做河山場的土地面積高達500公頃你要過渡時期將來要做SMR將來要做核融合我們都非常贊成它的土地有夠大啦所以一定 大家都很清楚的大家都很聰明的河山場的院長長副長長都在那裡揣摩生小孩這個退休還住在那裡如果說那裡有危險他跑就跑掉了啦他還住在那裡耶所以這件事 |
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人事這樣亂來亂去沒有意思啦 部長你幫你幫了人部長 你如果把那個遁清募齡費拿掉你看他會不會再支持你 真正的啊你遁清募齡費所以他是看到遁清募齡費喔你把遁清募齡費拿掉 你看他要不要同意 |
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公爵菩薩藝術啦好 請郭部長請回來 我們請邱部長因為這個比較麻煩請衛福部備詢郭部長請回院長 這個是莫拉克颱風的時候這張圖這個是我們醫院把我們的醫師召回你看到沒有 這會整個他們的車停在高速公路上我們拉貨櫃車去把他們載下來 |
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那貨櫃車裡面還有有爪啦 有爪咧爪 爪 給誰知道放死情他也怕 喝水咧 這醫生這樣一天一天下來然後我們護理人員坐雙甲應賓車來他們當時受災戶喔 他也來喔這就是我們醫護人員殼海的所在 |
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他們的堅持跟之前也是一樣今天台南票這麼嚴重 雲嘉南這麼嚴重請的人 他們也是我們要去堅守崗位所以我今天要跟院長特別說的就是我要感謝邱部長領導有方第一個 第二個健保的寬限嘛第三個就是醫療院所有受災的要趕快走想問一下這個醫護人員 |
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他們如果真的讓他們自己補給他們如果是受災的時候 嚴重的時候他們都在當班當主 給他們一些鼓勵可以嗎 副長這個列出來全部給他們個人醫療院所不會拿禮貌錢 |
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好 謝謝我們今年的健保經費比較充裕真的很感謝我們總統跟院長的一個幫忙特別是公務預算所以我們在點子鍋上面已經到達了大家所期望的標準那今天這個風災我們分了造成的傷害我們分了幾個部分來談第一個 災民我們在健保的補助部分負擔這個部分我們都給他充分的一個協助 |
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在醫院的各部分我們做全部災區的調查大概大家都能夠真的很感謝所有的醫療援手還有醫護團隊真的在風災的時候還是依然這樣在服務民眾而且是冒著可能自己家裡也是受災戶 |
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特別感謝 那醫院的這個部分我們都看他損傷的狀況是怎麼樣我們都會給予他幫忙然後診所是比較多的狀況比照COVID-19的時候 他們出了那沒幾天嘛 補助隊那是要鼓勵 要不然這做一波又完又跑了會跑掉一堆人委員報告一下 那個南區的分組健保的分組自己就會共管會議去討論他們也願意來協助 |
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好 謝謝蘇慶全委 |