| IVOD_ID |
163457 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163457 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T15:46:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T16:01:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdf2dcb52d653683c1fa8bba6e65b10b0a52f31ce8253a2e1bd4a16c5dc7554018e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:46:02 - 16:01:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席 有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢還有陳政委麻煩再請陳政委備詢 |
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郭委員好 謝謝總院長 國勢如馬 天災不斷面對難關我們一起度過本席其實在去年10月的時候選區當中的麻豆增穩地區受到台米颱風的影響 水災今年初的時候在南西的部分遇到地震 |
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到今年7月的時候又遇到風災當然是颱風所造成的其實120年來第一次的經驗我覺得到目前為止我們當然是颱風還沒有恢復結果明天又有新的颱風要來 |
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但現階段到這個尾聲的階段比較接近一個重建的階段是在於這個屋頂之前是蓋房不現在蓋屋頂政委這邊也清楚他也在緊急的進度但是我盡量從一個抓漏還有民怨可能會累積的地方來跟行政院這邊做討論第一個在一般戶的部分還有弱勢戶的部分現在在進度上是有所差別的 |
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大部分現在行政院下去所做的事情呢都是屬於一般婦的媒合那一般婦媒合的這個機制當中還有一個上工津貼那還有一個提早媒合的講不住但是呢對一般的民眾當中他已經自行修繕了他就覺得沒有 |
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這倒是給廠商還是給一般民眾這可能要陳政委說清楚另外一個部分是弱勢戶的部分弱勢戶的部分有自行修上完成也有包括是愛心團體幫他協助做完的但是還有一堆熬熬待補等待政府去協助他了但是整個公共工程緊急發包的方式雖然已經下放到地方可是地方到目前也都還沒有啟動 |
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也就是說前面這個一般戶的媒合太少但是後面的這個部分的速度太慢我想這恐怕會累積民怨的地方我想要跟陳政府跟院長講一下是不是不要有任何的差別待遇政府該給的一般戶的全部都有那該給這個弱勢戶的譬如講我弱勢戶我已經自行舉借或者以自己的存款已經蓋了 |
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結果呢 我已經蓋完之後我沒有收到你的媒合也沒有拿到你公家資源你是不是應該把相同的補助給我是不是這樣子 政委好 跟委員報告 |
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一般戶五萬十萬這個叫復原未租金上供津貼一萬五或三萬是給廠商的但是廠商總是你如果已經做好了當然你業主要有個證明有個合約或有個證明透過受災戶的證明這個錢是給廠商的每盒是兩萬塊保固是台南市政府負責或嘉義縣政府負責 |
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弱勢戶現在是全部由政府負責有政府負責的意思就是臺灣市政府去付然後行政會會補貼那一天的指揮會議我有特別去我也建議說弱勢戶要處理只是弱勢戶現在的定義範圍我們還沒有出來有就是說從200多到1500全面性的認定定義是一個第二個部分有些弱勢戶我重點弱勢戶他自己已經出資或借款已經蓋完了 |
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雖然他已經完成 地方政府還有包括打去這個災犯辦的地方大家都說這個已經蓋完就沒了 就沒有補助了不應該是如此啊 我就要確立一個平等的原則啦做事戶十萬五萬這個今天 因為他沒有媒合當然不能領取這兩萬塊嘛 |
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那目前的狀況呢已經安排每合中的1917戶完成簽的217戶那個數字我都知道我現在跟你不是在談數字不是談業績我現在跟你談公平性的問題 |
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就是重點是說我雖然沒有經過你政府的媒合但是我已經自行修繕了經過政府媒合你又補助給他我自己修繕我居然沒有拿到補助還是借款跟委員報告我們自行故宮在九月底拆除的我們也會補助兩萬塊 |
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那相關的媒合公辦我們也會全力來負責政府的...所以要平等啦 我的意思是說要平等一般戶的部分自行或者是經過政府媒合的都應該要給他們這是我第一個現在就剩下我的意思是說弱勢戶本來政府免費聽他做嘛他現在已經自己出錢做了嘛 是不是 |
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因為我們定義在後嘛我們犯規是在後面今天在指揮所那個顧問還在召集會議這個會跟台南市政府跟嘉義縣政府談出一個上限或時間如果這個上限跟時間談出來了將來說這個弱勢戶呢他有可能是公辦已經現在是公辦免費都替弱勢戶因為我們定義在後嘛我們範圍補助的對象是在後面他是在前面自行修復的那這位顧問是不是容我來 |
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追溯 最後來討論就是說上限確定了 時間確定了那他是不是要有一些證明本席的建議就是對 要證明之後讓他追溯他有證明 他有付款證明 會有一些合約那我們應該到什麼程度那這個我們在討論中啦 跟委員報告 也許我們三天啦 政委 我跟你講啦中央的善款3.5億啦 地方也快1億了 4.5億了這個還有什麼 還有什麼需要再討論的 |
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本席在這邊問你就是這個可能是民怨的地方要扁扁港口人你政府要不說要補助我已經先做了後面你說政府要補助你後面你就要補助 前面就要補助那有這個事情嘛還需要討論若師傅大概幾百戶啦現在已經故宮做了大概不多啦又不是沒有錢又需要討論到哪裡去啊這個不會構成問題啦所以我們把上限跟時間定出來之後會針對委員關心的那特別來評估啦 |
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能解決的問題都是小問題接下來石棉瓦的問題石棉瓦的問題我坐在現階段的石棉瓦預估那天環境部講說10萬噸但至少毀損有1萬噸為了避免二次傷害的情況底下現階段的石棉瓦以環境部負責的內政部先慢點走 |
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董事長有你的業務現在目前處理的是運的部分你要花兩個月的時間把它運可是重點運的前面是猜猜現在民眾猜現在人心惶惶人心惶惶我給你看一張照片你後面一個照片這兩個小孩子 |
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只有手套沒有防霧鏡沒有口罩更不要說還成衣他來處理食棉瓦你在看前面那張照片前面那張照片你看鄉下地方這個枕頭有三分之二的地方都是什麼都是食棉瓦 |
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石棉瓦過去大部分都在中南部嘛我意思是說是不是把這個清的專案這7.8億之外前面要請院長能不能做個材質拆跟運不是拆它只有運它沒有清拆清拆應該是找農業部就是譬如講畜牧業占了很多地方是石棉瓦的或者是生活所需的需要拆的工班有的是那個內政部清是不是從清跟拆把它合併來做思考 |
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趁這個機會呢化危機為轉機過往我們在推這個十面碗的時候都是被動的就是你來跟我申報化被動為主動趁這個機會有回水你只要報我來幫你清 |
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我來幫你解釋原因說一般的民眾他不會去買護目鏡N95口罩或者買黃沉衣嘛按照勞動部的標準是要這樣子他怎麼可能一個小小的建築物然後做這麼大的功夫呢就乾脆由政府來協助從拆到運一併處理院長有沒有可能 |
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報告委員那個其實猜的部分例如說一般的民宅是由國土署那邊來有變業經費你去申請就有那如果一般農區設施農業部來那我們是負責清最後的去化在本席還沒有協調之前國土署連要帶N95口罩那些工班還不曉得還勞動就是協助的 |
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哪來的清的計畫你清的計畫預算在哪裡你現在應該趁這時候重建計畫當中把這個清除跟運的部分一併處理而且以你目前的狀況所有7.8億的清收專案當中 |
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基本上是補助給地方有7.8億那一般的行情一噸大概是3萬8你這可以清到2萬噸之多對 差不多可以清到2萬噸之多所以這種情況底下你應該把這個擴大這個範圍由政府主動 |
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來協助趁這個機會化為機會轉機把這個石棉瓦一併來做處理跟委員報告我們在第一時間就已經跟環境部跟勞動部都討論好了我們其實也進入進去協助相關的清除包括說協助第一線的工班怎麼樣子拆除這些相關的石棉瓦的工程以及後續的清除作業相關的經費的部分我們也非常感謝環境部也都給我們支持相關的經費也都會下去會一起來協助 |
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放在這7.8億當中那麻煩院長找個時間正式一個新聞稿都要公佈到現在民眾還不知道政府可以幫忙協助清如果可以協助清到運的話我覺得這對整個災區的話的重建會是一大的幫助另外一個部分我也跟院長說明一下 |
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就我的理解從這個生活的重建之後還後面還有生產的重建生產的重建的部分就是經濟部的部分經濟部以目前為止所提出來關於這個當然是颱風的專案跟728的這個水災的部分還是COPY0403的這個專案0403是地震所造成的 |
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可是後來的當然是颱風還有爆發728都是風災跟水災樣態不一樣產業型態也不一樣產業型態的部分它最多的機械補助只有一早半 |
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清清采采的也一台 零四零三的也一台不太多 以十萬是可以做什麼這第一個 要去考量範寬這個理賠的項目也要提高一定的金額 不要停留在零四零三甚至工廠毀損之後 他有可能需要租金補貼等等這個都需要處理 |
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唯一一樣不一樣了就是扛棒如果壞的話生財工具如果損失的話會多補助一萬我花了那麼多力氣去跑一個補助一萬的案子一萬塊基本上我要找那個吊車都很困難扛棒那是要吊車的你一萬能做什麼就真的在賠償當中一萬真的沒辦法做什麼服務業的問題也是面對這樣子所以我也請院長督促一下經濟部 |
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不要再copy0403啦 這不一樣的案件啦 好不好還有在農業部的部分 全品項說得很好但是事實上全品項的部分只有六項以至於很多民眾在等待 要去勘查案件非常的多 到目前為止 地方的執行率非常的低 |
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真的是難以消化所以我是不是跟農業部建議一下這個全品項免現勘的部分是不是有放大的可能兩種基準一種是農產品屬於長期的作物另外一種是它種植的面積是範圍很大的這一種都容易受到災損這種範圍當中是不是可以把它放大以至於現在很多民眾去申請了都沒現勘地方的能量沒有那麼多 |
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是不是考慮一下部長我跟委員報告全品項跟免縣刊是兩件事情我們全品項已經公告了免縣刊我們也針對台南地區我們也是一看再看就是它沒有辦法具有普遍性因為它的災害可能不同的地區是不一樣的一旦免縣刊的話等於說你都不用勘災全部理賠 |
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所以我們現在六項最主要就是大眾的像玉米玉米這種糟精作物的我們就照委員那時候的建議但是去申請理賠的非常的多嘛但是問題是說你現在不要讓人家嗷嗷逮捕就是說是不是有放寬的可能性啊譬如講這範圍比較大你去評估一下譬如講竹筍或者香蕉香蕉都整片的 |
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熔岩 蓮子等等這些東西基本上屬性是不一樣的去考量一下減少太多民眾期待過久所造成的抱怨還有部長溫室網這次補助的層數調整得不錯但是我們上次在開記者會的時候有提到是不是在這次重建條例的時候來思考一下 |
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溫室網的部分因為它有一定程度的資本的門檻用已租放貸的方式來做處理把它納入重慶的思考有沒有可能 |
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我跟委員報告就是乙株代購的方式是一個非常好的構想而且是應該往這個方向去走但是現在因為溫室業者的工班全部在處理現在的溫室重建所以我們現在在規劃用專案的方式找到適當的地點特別是可能跟台南的地友因為地要沒有問題然後再看看 |
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業者願意進來蓋的時候我們用農資的方式來處理然後租給農民我們會用小規模的方式先來處理那等這一次的溫室全部他們重建以後後續他們就有資金跟比較有量能來做一些建設這樣的話才能夠往後把它建構一個新的模式出來 |
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另外一個部分其實我跟院長說明一下過去以前我們在思考天然災害的孤島下流都停留在山區以土石流為主但這一次的孤島下流是發生在海邊今年7月份內政部所公布的指數可能會一直造成孤島的部分發生在哪裡發生的全部都在海邊都土石流台南連一個位置都沒有但是這一次海邊全部都是孤島完全都斷訊了 |
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所以這個部分是不是能夠在這個思維當中能夠經濟部建構微電網在海邊的部分還有包括通訊 儲能設施基本上以及目前農業部所說的漁電共生的部分不要一個單線的傳輸到台電而能夠跟社區共生的可能性是 報告委員 |
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好 谢谢各位 |