| IVOD_ID |
163456 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163456 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T15:30:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T15:45:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdfdfbed59af2784e6fa8bba6e65b10b0a5377809ece1d1afc7f0e74eb070a3a03c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:30:10 - 15:45:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席好 我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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所有人好 院長好這次我們院長辛苦了不管颱風刮在哪裡 豪雨下在哪裡都是在我們的土地受難的都是我們的鄉親所以立法院這一次在支持特別條例的唯一理由就是加速救助不拖延我們這次特別條例編列了560億 |
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那政院版部分直接說明在災區是台南 高雄 嘉義 屏東另外就是台中 彰化 南投 雲林的部分地區吧所以部長這些地方會適用特別條例吧 |
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跟我們報告我們在條例草案的第二條寫下說本條例所定的災區因為丹納斯颱風及7228豪雨後受創的地區這個會由未來的主管機關來加以 |
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就實際自災情況認定之後我現在要講的就是我們苗栗花蓮台東雖然當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟台南那其實這些鄉鎮這些縣市也都有一些的災損的部分那我們也希望說這個部分院長這邊能夠答應能夠把這幾個地區都列入將來由 |
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實際自災的情況由主管機關來認定之後只要他認定到符合到我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度行政會就會來公告所謂的災區因為你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災嘛後來臨時取消 當然我知道這個有其他地方比較嚴重所以我們也 |
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不敢占用你太多時間但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去救助一定要到人沒有到沒有關係 |
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我也誤會 我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災啦對 院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金高達一千多萬元 |
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全台農損排名第六名屏東 台中 高雄 嘉義 南投這前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說 |
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我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛對不對這一年來的辛苦他已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實他現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始這個有這個病媒蚊啊長蟲了 |
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這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說這個農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面 |
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等一下請部長報告 就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫不了 你懂我意思嗎 |
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我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗那紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了那我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用那如果說這些果園的清除他要把這個清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話那我們會跟那個環境部一起現在就是清除的問題 |
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他有些東西可以用沒有但是我看到這一次的災損他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再曬成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了 |
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我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助 你直接講好了 |
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我舉個例子我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自住的話我們要找誰 經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要特別他年紀大的你這樣講我聽不太懂 |
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不是 我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久都沒有人不是 我要跟委員報告有一些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多 院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的 |
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那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗喔這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨啊葡萄啊這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的這個問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛各位委員即便是非災區部分當然是颱風受到災損的農損各方面 |
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工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎 你把清除費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出 |
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農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理 |
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就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦 那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728好雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來 去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過 |
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當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎 |
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我也請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額是大概是多少 |
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有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項 分審在各部會裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫 有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水 水利 家園 農業 電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫 |
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都有 現在都已經做了嘛這個什麼重新計畫也做了嘛我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚嘛會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人 派支援派部會去 這個系統去支援 |
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823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢 |
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院長你覺得這樣合適嗎市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務 以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長 |
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你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦 好不好好的 謝謝另外我再請教我們這次颱風 |
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我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場這六個案場的災損量佔了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎 |
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他如果受損嘛 對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓他原地復活嗎我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合 |
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部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測 |
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我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重基礎的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響那我們未來有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度 |
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因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的 |
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所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦 |
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基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能 這是他們的損失會包含在561裡面嗎基本不會 那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢 會補助他嗎不會 完全不會 完全沒有嗎 完全沒有 請大家放心 |
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那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億 |
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那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當 |
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但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是 我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重 |
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所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用 |
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他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為 |
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因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是 他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們 報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網 |
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也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用啊對 將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了嘛不是嗎對 是再來最後一個 |
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我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的 所有的寫清楚 |
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每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝邱政軍 |