| IVOD_ID |
163453 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163453 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T14:30:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T14:46:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdff1bedcbaed092d5fa8bba6e65b10b0a5d07a22cb2df658829e5184f6a42873d05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:27 - 14:46:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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感謝主席 本席邀請我們行政院卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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林委員好院長好院長今天我們來討論這次的風災的各項我覺得我們應該要先虛心來檢討我大概分三個面向一個就是災前的預防災後的緊急應變還有災後的復原我舉幾個例子第一個就是說我們在災後緊急要回應的時候如果我們可以更 |
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了解一下民眾的需求如果我們可以更清楚的知道這個災民的需要這個減少民怨我給大家舉幾個例子後來我們都馬上改了我們都有改但是也讓民眾誤會甚至罵了好幾天例如第一個行政院剛公佈的補助一個門號補助災損就是比如說最多10萬 |
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後來我向面前部提出緊急質詢我說因為院長也到在區看過了我們有很多鄉下地方是三合院裡面是很多戶你不能以一個門號 |
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來做補助的標準那裡面可能住我就看過有住六戶的你應該是以戶數看他實際住幾戶你可以用水電單來證明他有實際居住的事實來用戶數來做標準廖政部是馬上有從善如流 他馬上有改但是我們也被罵了好幾天我舉這個當例子那第二個 災民申請的表格 |
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那個很複雜一開始還要付什麼藤本啊還有什麼繳稅的單據啦災民說我出都沒了啊我裡面喝大水啊你要再叫我去找這些表格後來我們當然也改了也造成了好幾天的一個混亂再來第三在災難發生的時候啊還有一個很嚴重的就是斷了通訊我想院長也很清楚啦 |
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那端的通訊 第一個那些災民的家屬不了解狀況電話打不進去那災民他也沒辦法對外聯絡因為沒有網路 沒有電話這個是以現代社會來講這個是很危險的後來中華電信最早恢復訊號 網路 還有電話因為它的基礎建設比較好這院長知道吧 |
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那我也曾經跟NCC質詢我說那你應該要開放國內的災難漫遊院長出國嘛我們出國我們的電話可以國際漫遊就是我們不管你在國內用哪家電信公司但是你到國外你就可以用當地的電信公司嘛我們有國際漫遊你出國一定會用到嘛但國內是沒有我們現在是沒有國內漫遊 |
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但是在特別狀況你應該要開放災難漫遊例如有像這種特殊情形的時候我用遠傳 我用台客大我不通 那我可以使用跳過來用中華電信然後NCC的陳代主委他馬上答應了他也馬上去協調中華電信也接受了後來也恢復了有幾個地方的那種災難漫遊是嗎 陳主委是這樣嗎對 就一族七股跟布袋 |
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像這個我認為也是我們反應太慢我們8月7號才恢復災難漫遊颱風是7月7號成災啦7月6號來7月7號早上造成重大的災難拖了一個月我也以這個當例子啦雖然我們也很快的反應啦但這個我在NCC提出質詢以後他馬上去做那其實也許可以做得更早更快啦好我再舉個例子齁 |
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好 那陳代主委可以回座我再舉個例子就是像農業部農業部也很快的回應到本席的一個訴求我說你的災民就農業的災難貸款可以免息其實你在第一時間公布的時候你就應該就可以公布如果是災民的需求我免除這樣的一個利息因為他利息才1.4%多啦 |
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我們的這個所謂的貸款補助的辦法其實是更動好幾次越更動 當然條件越好其實我們如果做得到 應該就一次到位這也用美國人講的 其實我都覺得沒必要的這幾點一定要做參考 例如我們的救災啊從中央開設前進指揮所 |
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陳敬德指揮官 陳敬德政委就位以後我們對於人力和資源的調度效率就快很多了中央地方的合作就更快更緊密了那我給院長參考一下颱風是7月6號來嘛我剛剛說7月7號成災嘛7月28號來一個超級豪大雨院長有去看我們前進指揮所 |
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是豪大宇的第二天7月29才宣布7月30號才成立其實更嚴重的其實我們現在在做的是針對風災不是後來的雨災所以前進指揮所其實按照我們的災防法我們是有法源依據的早就應該要來設立了因為颱風造成的傷害其實現在很 當時其實也很容易看出來根本市政府就不可能遠超過地方政府 |
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所能處理的那中央就應該要快速的協調各部會甚至其他全國各地的資源 |
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像現在院長的指示之下我們現在把全國的公班都調到災區謝謝營造公會全力的挺路讓我們很多的公共建設也停下來能夠不影響的 不影響太大 停下來公班也進到災區裡面來協助修繕房屋這個做得很好 而且還補助咧你如果工程停了 你就先來台南救災工期不算 原來工期不算這邊還有其他的鄉長補助 |
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這樣這個很好啊那這個其實啊其實我們不應該拖一個月啦我個人在地方這個以我協助救災的這種感想因為當時確實中央地方聯絡起來非常的辛苦啦所以風災是7月7號大概就 |
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大家都知道那個災情的慘狀不應該拖了那麼久這我個人一個建議給院長一個參考我們如果第一時間更快的能夠設立這樣來協調中央地方資源的前進指揮所的話我想救災可以做得更好我現在還有一個建議救災的時候有一個混亂的狀況其實包括連我們的基層公務人員 |
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也要搞混亂因為有太多各式各樣不同的補助辦法各部位都有他提出來他相對應的業務他媽怎麼樣來協助救災那個資訊可以說是非常多啦 眼花繚亂其實啦 我們應該要設立一個一站式或一夜市的一個這次針對這次風災的一個網站讓災民也可以知道我有什麼東西可以行政 |
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公務人員也可以知道因為這邊我告訴公務人員有一個時間的落差比如說我們中央推出一個補助我們要讓更多人知道 所以就做圖卡我現在有一個新的補助 圖卡網路就在傳很多人看到 災民看到就馬上跑到區公所區公所都拒收 為什麼 因為沒有收到公文有沒有這樣的時間落差 |
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那還有啊 就是補助的辦法有變動 或者是補助有哪些坦白講 有時基層公務人員這幾天業務非常繁雜 他也搞不清楚如果我們有這樣的一夜市的網站 |
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而不是像現在 現在是各部會自己都說他公佈他自己的那台南市政府的網站沒辦法 他都是一個連結你要了解經濟部補助哪些東西你去台南市的網站 你只能按那個連結去經濟部的那個地方看我們應該把它整合成一個一站式的網站讓公務員也好 災民也好 了解說我可以行政什麼現在辦法是什麼 有變化嗎這一點 我提出一個建議啦因為過去啊 莫乃光風災有設立 |
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包括我們頂邊的普發現金也是設立一個網站讓很多人可以直接在網站上去完成申請補助這樣的一個行政程序這點其實現在也可以給大家做一個參考 |
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謝謝委員建議我們速度加快這是必然要改進的地方另外就是現在都是從給設定的這些補助的措施項目來加以宣導或許該改個方向除了委員建議的一戰事之外 |
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身份來做說明如果我是一個災民我是一個農民我是一個漁民我是一個攤販我家裡受到了什麼樣的損失我已經受到什麼我從身份來告訴說你屬於這種身份你就可以看到你所有的什麼可以選擇適合你的我用這種身份來做說明所以院長你也是抓到重點啊你如果這樣一站式的網站大家都方便對不對我災民我也可以自己查看我是什麼樣的需要政府可以幫忙什麼 |
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這個我們希望能夠改進再來現在我們的公班都到災區去了那災區現在有一個狀況就是如果有些災民的損害遠大於政府的慰問金那他有沒有辦法得到政府的財政上的資源 |
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譬如說我是財民 我收你錢政府現在最多好像十萬加兩萬 最少補助十萬嘛如果你參加我的媒合 最後我有維管再給你補出兩萬 十二萬那如果假設我要收你個好幾十萬 你像我剛才去那個浴室我要看一個八十幾個老阿嬤 她的浴室被吹走 她不能洗澡 |
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那我幫他臨時搭一個簡易的類似像我們行軍野戰可以沐浴的場所他用不了多久啦他現在是可以洗澡啦可以有浴室了但是一定要重建嘛那像這樣子的話有沒有辦法我們在特別條例裡面所匡列的預算裡面有沒有修補助的一個貸款甚至給予一些利息的補助請主委報告委員就是針對符合 |
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691.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
706.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
秦嶺災後就是復原衛助金的五萬跟十萬的那這個五萬十萬就是衛助跟復原那如果說在8月31號之前媒合完畢有這個簽約的還有一個簽約獎勵兩萬那上工獎勵金三萬 |
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711.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
736.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
那基本上大概做到這裡那如果是低收入戶 中低收入戶 以及關懷戶那這個呢是有政府 可是我說我需要五十萬啦這樣有辦法借我錢嗎這可能沒辦法 申請貸款應該有要不然你就應該協調地方政府啦因為確實有些善心人士一些企業也有一些善款的捐助啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
737.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
741.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
有的低收入戶就是說企業去做的時候 超過10萬的錢我們應該要鼓勵民間來認養 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
747.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
一些邊緣戶啦有關外戶就是包含脆弱的還有這個特殊記憶的謝謝啦 另外也跟院長建議啦我們要利用這次的颱風還有我們陳指揮官啦也是等於來跟我們檢驗我們的所謂國安的基礎設施啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
770.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
797.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
其實這次颱風檢驗的結果我覺得非常脆弱我們的基礎建設有南北差距也有城鄉的差距我們應該要很謙虛的來檢討我們這次到底有什麼地方我們可以改善的例如我提到這次最嚴重是因為停電倒過來清氣停那條嘛當然沒辦法啊你等水為了停也等電就要等水嘛 |
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799.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
817.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
有的水要用抽水馬達抽甚至很多電信也斷了因為電話公司都走電話條所以有人在提到所謂的電纜或光纖的地下化但地下化不是全部不是唯一最好的解答因為淹水的地方你就不能做 |
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818.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
836.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
但是啊 不用去的地方 竹幹線通過的我認為應該要優先來地下化而且我很具體的 我很具體的請行政院要來做台17案 台19這些總統也去看 像印度你也去看就台19線 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
837.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
853.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
還有17線 你看到這兩個這是省道啊 在沿海地區最主要的南北幹道這從台南 雲嘉南都有通過的那最重要的電線桿都在這上面這面中道啦 這過來前去就在這裡因為它受風面非常大 |
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854.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
870.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
像這種台17 台19因為它不會淹水基礎設施淹漏去就好這可以先來做電纜地下化如果我們整天在講地下化地下化要有優先順序然後也要看區域我認為像這種省道的區域應該是可以優先來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
898.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
協調台電 還有交通部 因為路是交通部管的來做這個地方另外 我也發現一些黑煙水地區跟地前下線地區我們如果能夠克服工程上的困難我們一定想辦法籌措經費逐年來加以改善因為我們發現有一些新的科技工具沒電嘛 怎麼辦後來電話來了 民眾的手機也不能用家裡電器也不能充電這個大概有民間的企業提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
899.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
922.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我就放在大廟前面 大家可以去充電他這個充電的電源怎麼來他白天是吃太陽能 晚上是用氫能源 氫電池這種移動式的 像這種應該可以我們要檢討一下國安的基礎設施的設備 器具引入一些新科技的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
935.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
936.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
好 謝謝林靜憲委員 |