| IVOD_ID |
163448 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163448 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T11:22:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T11:38:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/affd0e2636d87bdf75a94bfe21dab248a8bba6e65b10b0a5bc88735d355306b8bf7f96ea759d50d05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:17 - 11:38:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院長我想請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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主任長辛苦了那自己這一個多月來我想您也多次的到現場去看災業了解目前災區的一些需要那包括所有基層救災防災的人員的辛苦我想您都看在眼裡那我想給您看幾個照片你看這個是我們雲林林內平頂的路段 |
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有看到嗎是不是斷的這個肝殘寸斷Y7 扭8您覺得這是不是應該要緊急搶修呢是不是應該要有趕快做出變道絕對影響到 |
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人民的安全如果有產業的話也影響到產業的進出沒錯所以這影響到了人民的安全還有他們的生計但是呢這些路段都在於八色鳥保護區所以依照野生動物保育法呢他必須要 |
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林業署同意他才可以施作他甚至都不允許他可以去做這個變道所以呢這些產業道路到現在為止呢都必須要公文往返您知道去年凱米颱風啊 |
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因為這個公文往返要好幾個月超過半年所以他都沒有辦法整治啊是不是可以拜託院長責成農業部林業署針對災後的搶修不要再往返這些公文了因為他不是新的開發區啊 |
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他不是說我要在這裡做一個重新的開發他只是為了要修路讓農民可以通過甚至住在山裡面的這些民眾能夠安全的回家是不是可以拜託卓院長責成他們說盡速的趕快不要再流程好幾個月你看這些災民怎麼辦呢 |
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請部長來說明跟協助我謝謝委員提供這樣的資訊我想林保署有關於林保署所挾的這些林產業道路的部分我一定會要求他們就是盡快的搶通如果說那邊有居民的話一定要先有變道行程這個部分我想我們回去再梳理如果禁訴大概是多久因為上一次你跟我禁訴也拖了好幾個禮拜 |
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不是 那不一樣的案例那是去年啊對 不一樣的案例對 不一樣的案例但是那也拖了好幾個禮拜甚至好幾個月委員 我想這個部分因為他們牽涉到後面的勘察以後還要規劃 |
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我的意思是說你要先給他變道嘛你要勘察 你要規劃這個我都支持因為你要做一條安全的路嘛但是你不可能就讓他放著這樣子好幾個月我想先用變道的方式讓農民可以通然後後面路的部分照他們的進度去做規劃這個我想我回去再交代部長拜託你今天就要趕快下命令趕快讓他們去做變道否則這個繼續下去如果有農民又不小心掉下去 |
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如果不小心有任何的傷亡 誰來負責呢可以嗎 院長對 這個我們可以來處理院長 你可以公開的指示農業部盡速的來完成這個嗎 |
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現在我想沈部長看到這個他一定會主動來處理這個事情那我會再跟部長好好的來研究如何加速來進行是 特別拜託院長那下一張下一張你看這個邊坡你知道站在那上面的時候像一個懸崖這是去年楷米颱風走山的樣子它上面在懸崖的最上方都是屋子那屋子是可能差幾十公分就要全部掉下來了 |
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到現在因為要走這個流程因為要走這個八色鳥保護區的流程然後還要做什麼審查流程 工程流程到現在還沒有辦法做所以我也希望說不要明年的這個時候我還要再拿出這些照片來給院長看說沒辦法做那這些人民他們欲哭無淚啊 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們在做整個大規模崩塌的這個防治的時候我必須要講你保護區的開發限制應該是針對開發案啊你怎麼會針對災後搶修呢這是一個重點就是說你要自己內部要修改啊你不能去年跟你講你說你要改今年再跟你講你也說你要改到底什麼時候要改這是我第一次 |
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你上次來我辦公室我親自拿給你的 |
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你還跟我說好好好的確那個時候有幫忙但是已經比就是你的幫忙已經比本來的時候快了我沒有要在這裡跟你爭論這個我們的大規模崩塌我們不會因為保護區就比較慢我們會積極的做的確是比較慢因為沒有經過你知道那個根本地方政府公所他不敢去改變到因為林務署沒有同意啊沒有同意 |
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沒有廠商敢去做你知道嗎所以這個是一個很大的問題院長拜託您我不需要在這裡跟部長爭誰對誰錯問題是災民他就沒有受到幫助嘛他就現在出入不安全嘛你現在是要在這裡跟我爭論你沒有責任嗎絕對不是這樣子我接下來要問的是水利問題 |
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我接下來想要跟院長反映一個我們雲林地方的問題就是我們大湖口溪淹水的情況非常嚴重這一次呢大湖口溪這個治理啊我想要呼籲就是不能夠頭痛一頭腳痛一腳水利署其實是一個我非常敬重的單位他們很有專業有經驗理應要通盤檢討結果今年的7月12號 |
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他們發了一個新聞稿到現場去看到現場去看沾沾自喜的發文說花了12億加高提房結果不到半個月不到半個月就淹水了而且是本來沒有做沒淹水喔做完了之後大淹水喔您覺得這樣子能夠向居民交代嗎 |
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是 報告委員 我想這個目前的這個我們雖然已經進度啊 來到90幾個%但是還是最後的那個部分還沒有完成時間的部分嘛但是我們在處理 我們都一直在處理但是因為這個啟動的時間在過去那比較慢一點但是颱風這個時候來我們也只能努力啦 |
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我沒有說你們不努力說實在水利署是很努力但是我的意思是它這個是中央管河川這個大湖口溪是中央管河川它要花這12億它難道不用通盤檢討嗎它難道不用通盤檢討說它如果增高堤防它花了12億增高堤防它外水增高壓力增大它整個外水倒灌進去從這個湘涵 |
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倒灌進去市區結果沒有加高不淹水加高了之後外面壓力增大它整個回堵倒灌整個斗南市區都淹水這個南道水利署在想要加高的時候都沒有計算過說它外水加高的時候會增加多少壓力它必須建議說要做一個水閘門在這裡嘛為什麼不做通盤檢討呢 |
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怎麼會一下坐這裡然後出現問題再坐那裡呢是 報告委員我想我們都會通盤檢討過去的計畫事實證明他就是沒有通盤檢討才發生這個問題的嘛這個問題說實在蓋這個水閘門多少錢你知道嗎蓋這個水閘門可能幾百萬就做起來了 |
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可是因為水利署他沒有通盤檢討他花了12億加高了兩邊堤防很棒這個我也感謝他們但是怎麼會在加高堤防的同時你不去想說你外面的壓力增高他有可能會倒灌舉一個例子湖北鎮蓋西安抽水站的時候他因為 |
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是用向下打出去的它也因為外水壓力過大本來沒有做那個抽水站都不淹水一做了之後整個河水倒灌虎尾鎮都淹水這是同樣的道理啊所以我現在要講的是說103年完成了這個鄉罕到目前為止到今年為止從來都不曾發生過這樣子嚴重淹水的問題結果今年完成堤防加高之後 |
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就馬上倒灌淹水了這樣子的規劃不僅讓地方的民眾受苦而且還要地方政府額外去負擔經費這到底是誰的問題而且所有的工程計畫都要中央審核 |
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中央才是內行人啊所以要麻煩院長啊還有部長要責成相關的單位要通盤檢討之外還要有審慎的規劃這個不是說推給誰就行的不是說推給縣府推給公所就沒事了這個治水計畫還是要繼續就好像剛才院長講的我也很感動啊他覺得說要趕快再有一個新的治水的特別預算趕快來解決這些問題 |
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那我現在不是要就責任何人我是說我們要趕快解決問題是不是大家一起來解決問題包括內政部現在假設是內水排不出去的話如果這個加了水門那內水排不出去內水歸內政部管是不是可以在這旁邊加蓋一個簡易的抽水站 |
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讓他可以把內水抽出去這個部分是不是內政部長也可以關心一下這個設計當初的這個食餘量的設計沒有到實際發生的時候的食餘量這麼大他這個設計是夠的他今年沒有議題他加高了之後 |
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我現在的意思是說它的設計沒有問題它的問題出在於它沒有通盤檢討它沒有發現說它沒有發現你不要幫我們解釋啊降雨的那個量我跟你說它有符合它今年有符合它這個加了之後的確是 |
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外水沒有液體出來他做的沒有問題他做的問題是在於他沒有通盤檢討他沒有發現說他水壓加高會造成倒灌所以變成是你未來要做的你必須要通盤檢討要做下來所以我希望說院長部長 |
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是不是可以責成這個水利署坐下來好好再做一個覆盤包括我要求水利署跟經濟部做三件事情委員是否同意第一個檢討這次為什麼會淹水的原因把它檢討出來這次為什麼淹水 |
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馬上來解決這次淹水原因如果要增加閘門增加什麼事是馬上來做這個還有那個內水戳出去的那個整個系統再來檢討一次當初做的這個加高提案雖然是很好那有沒有忽略了其他的地方或是哪裡不足我想三個層次來處理好不好 |
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好 拜託院長 拜託院長謝謝 院長你這樣子的態度我想我們所有的災民都會非常感謝你那我們這個問題希望可以儘速的得到一個回應那是不是看這個禮拜之內水利署可以盡快的到我們雲林來然後來解決這個問題我們請署長或是代理長到現場再馬上看一次 好 謝謝是 這個問題我們會根據這個院長的指示馬上處理 |
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好 謝謝那我也再想要給院長看一下下一個Power Point |
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就是這個PowerPoint其實這個出來的時候我真的嚇一跳行政院的第一個版本裡面這一次丹納斯颱風雲林受損那麼嚴重竟然第一個版本裡面區域沒有包含納入雲林線那經過本席提醒之後趕快用紅字再加上雲林線等縣市其實為什麼我會那麼緊張 |
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因為我們很擔心很擔心說假設你風災的災區範圍沒有寫到雲林縣到時候560億我們如果一毛都分不到怎麼辦呢所以院長我在這裡提醒您真的 災民 |
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跟我一樣 我們都很歡樂的想說 你知道嗎 我們也很不願意受災我們也很不願意受到這個農損結果一看到說行政院的那個災後特別條例近年不穩我們這樣陷到這麼嚴重 你還親身去看你還 總統也親身去看是不是這個以後要特別提醒行政院要重視一下不然 實在是很歡樂的那我也繼續請問院長 |
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重建條例編了560億那這筆預算會怎麼樣在農業水利交通社會復原等項目之間分配呢分配的數我們現在在核算當中就是出現560億的總數那如果條例通過之後我們會另外送一個特別預算請大院來審議那時候通過特別預算才會是具體執行的 |
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瞭解那雲林在這個農損農業損害中的這個佔比是全國的前段班大概算起來農業災損是排名全國第二那是否會以這個損失的比例作為一個資源分配的依據呢一定是以實際自災發生損害的受災情況來經過認定之後農業部來彙整那經過 |
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整個特別預算的籌編來進行到裡面讓我會希望會達到一個最大的照顧最廣泛的照顧而且最實際的照顧 |
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這一點要特別拜託院長關於農業部的問題待會我再繼續提醒您因為我們也覺得受到不公平的待遇那我先針對這個預算分配幾點建議之後我們再來討論農業部的問題那就是有關於這個特別條例如果通過之後呢是不是農業救助跟其他的工程項目它是不一樣的 |
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農業復耕他是有黃金時期啊他是你這一週你下一週你這個節氣沒有種下去其實他的收成就影響了那會大幅的把他的產值品質都下降可不可以承諾有關於農業復耕的這個補助啊條例通過之後一週內甚至兩週內先撥款給農民呢因為復耕這件事情喔不是說他今天想種就可以種他必須照著那種節氣來種啊 |
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好 這個特別條例的裁員來自於舉債那我們要完成這個程序之後我一定要求各部會及時迅速的執行最快的時間在執行完畢表示政府 |
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那現在新的標準是什麼請問一下 |
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好謝謝謝謝張家俊文 子馨謝謝卓院長還有各格院的備詢 謝謝 |